Re: forgetting your roots
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Originally Posted by hobbes
English is the official language of the United States except for New Mexico which is English and Spanish.
ahhhh....
you never been to southern California have you? :P
there's also Texas, Arizona, with established Hispanic communities,
as well as Florida, I am sure, with the Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican immigrants
funny, because they seem to have the same beef about the Spanish language
that some seem to have about the English language
at least between people from Old Mexico vs those that have emmigrated
whats it all boil down to?
people are just itching for an argument, no matter the topic, IMO :P
we are ALL immigrants in America, save for the Native Americans
my ancestors, so you can all stfu & gtfo :P
(you know, the ones the Spaniards called "Indians" when they hit the wrong continent)
"America is the melting pot of the world."
heard that said somewhere, and how true it is
as for the kid that got in a huff about the Pledge....
he needs to have his ass kicked :lol:
I dont buy into that "let's bitch & protest" mentality
leave that for the liberals and left-wing psychos
that kid is NOT American, he's some new breed of Nazi or somethin
he's probably the same type of person (as well as his dad)....
that would use words like "n*gger", "sp*c", "w*tback", etc. :dry:
Re: forgetting your roots
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Originally Posted by vidcc
What would your thoughts be then if it was said in both English and spanish in New mexico?
Why?
As part of "International Language Week"?
As a normal course of events?
I thought I made it clear such strenuous exertion merely to provide a context in which to say the Pledge in a foreign language is a defective notion.
"International Language Week" could have consisted of a variety of exercises such as "construct an autobiographical statement in one of these foreign languages".
The fact those in charge thought it necessary to begin the day with a foreign-language recitation of the Pledge is indicative of a tremendous mis-understanding of the mechanics of learning; was it intended that listening to or saying the pledge that way would somehow imbue the participant with a much-needed empathy for practitioners of that particular language?
As to the mis-guided urge to ease the way for our southern neighbors by assimilating Americans to them, instead of the other way around, that is precisely the reason for our immigration problem.
After all, we don't have any similar difficulties with the hoards of Canadians pouring over our northern borders, do we? :D
Re: forgetting your roots
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Originally Posted by HeavyMetalParkingLot
And what about us Spanglish speakers?
Type something in Spanglish; I will attempt to translate. :)
Re: forgetting your roots
Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
What would your thoughts be then if it was said in both English and spanish in New mexico?
As to the kid and his boycott, throw him to the lions.
But if we are to live in New Mexico and the children are allowed to recite it in Spanish, let's look at the words they are saying:
I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the republic
for which it stands.
One nation,
under God,
indivisible
with liberty and justice
for all.
Pero,
no quiero aprender el idioma
So it makes no sense to say it in Spanish if you want to think of us as one nation, indivisible. The very recital of the pledge would divide classrooms with some saying it in English and some in Spanish.
A language barrier, if you will.
Actually the state of New Mexico is doing it's citizen no favors with the dual official languages. It should be pushing them to learn English because here in San Antonio, not speaking English locks you into being that guy that cuts my grass and takes out my trash. It locks you in to the lowest socio-economic class.
Re: forgetting your roots
Well, the school playing the pledge in different languages was a pretty cool idea. If I weren't a native English speaker I would feel more a part of America that someone took the time to say the Pledge in my own tongue. However, the compromise which was reached AFTER the kid whined should really have been thought of beforehand. In today's age of everyone whining and sueing everyone else because they were called a bad name or they're ideologies were contradicted in some form, one would think the compromise the only sensible thing to do.
Thinking of these ppl as neo nazis is ridiculous. Good for them for loving the country they live in, even if it is a bit overzealous.
It sort of reminds me of a quote by Clint Eastwood.
"If you move far enough to the right, you'll run into the same kind of idiot coming from the left."
Re: forgetting your roots
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Originally Posted by hobbes
As to the kid and his boycott, throw him to the lions.
But if we are to live in New Mexico and the children are allowed to recite it in Spanish, let's look at the words they are saying:
I pledge allegiance
to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the republic
for which it stands.
One nation,
under God,
indivisible
with liberty and justice
for all.
Pero,
no quiero aprender el idioma
So it makes no sense to say it in Spanish if you want to think of us as one nation, indivisible. The very recital of the pledge would divide classrooms with some saying it in English and some in Spanish.
A language barrier, if you will.
Actually the state of New Mexico is doing it's citizen no favors with the dual official languages. It should be pushing them to learn English because here in San Antonio, not speaking English locks you into being that guy that cuts my grass and takes out my trash. It locks you in to the lowest socio-economic class.
Simply and elegantly put, sir.
Re: forgetting your roots
[QUOTE=FKDUP74]ahhhh....
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I live in San Antonio and my parents live in San Diego, I know exactly what people are speaking.
"Official language" means that state documents/services must be in English. Doesn't mean people have to speak it.
Re: forgetting your roots
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Originally Posted by SideSwiped
Thinking of these ppl as neo nazis is ridiculous. Good for them for loving the country they live in, even if it is a bit overzealous.
hmmm.....so it's a "good thing"....
that the Klan loves their country....
even if thier method is a bit over zealous?
:whistling
Re: forgetting your roots
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Originally Posted by SideSwiped
If I weren't a non-native English speaker I would feel more a part of America that someone took the time to say the Pledge in my own tongue.
...It sort of reminds me of a quote by Clint Eastwood.
"If you move far enough to the right, you'll run into the same kind of idiot coming from the left."
How did you feel when you were finally able to say the Pledge in English, SS? :huh:
BTW-
I had forgotten the Eastwood quote; thanks for recalling it.
Re: forgetting your roots
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Originally Posted by hobbes
I live in San Antonio and my parents live in San Diego, I know exactly what people are speaking.
"Official language" means that state documents/services must be in English. Doesn't mean people have to speak it.
oops :blushing:
i was was going more along the lines of...
the "Un-official-official" language
