Yah who cares TV, you just keep trying to change the topic here. When is this thread ending ? Is there a time limit?
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Yah who cares TV, you just keep trying to change the topic here. When is this thread ending ? Is there a time limit?
*edit, its listed at the top nowQuote:
Originally Posted by whiteboy
What about that....Quote:
Looking for a rapidshare account...
Have HDbits invite on December 21st...
Instead of saying selling for $15 dollars he says he wants a rapid share account.
So for $15 dollars anyone can get into hdbits???? Is this not selling?
anyone can go and buy a premium account right now, and have a hdbits invite on the 21st....
This may even be easier to launder money in as it sells alot more frequently and easily.
what about:
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...account-383078
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...ighlight=steam
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...ighlight=steam
The one guy only trades with steam accounts it seems.. A little fishy hummm??
Invite sellers, selling in broad day light.
Yes that's selling too just like trading a seedbox for an invite and it's shit. I could go on and on about this but staff here know how I feel about that kind of thing. There was many an argument about it back in the day.
Basically it's selling they deserve to be banned but the powers that be on this board won't stop it because they don't want to. Though I think trading for rapidshare accounts was/is banned.
Ok, I think that's enough discussion around here.
I'm sure this thread could go on and on, but we would be going around in circles.
There are several valid interpretations of the current issue. And I underline, valid, that were discussed on the thread. The poll itself, let's face it, is a close tie. Technically, ~60% of the people who voted defend he shouldn't be banned. (there are a shitload of interpretations, but let's stand by that one)
My interpretation of the facts, after reading the whole thread twice (sux to be mod on these occasions :(): TVCY indeed proposed a sale, at a shite forum where invite selling is condoned and even encouraged. :dry:
Later, he admitted he did it with the intent of potentially becoming staff there, as another thread he opened suggests. He also admitted he hadn't the intention on going ahead with the sale, but that I truly find hard to believe. It's a subjective interpretation, and I think the whole majority here agrees on this one.
His registration date there is previous to the one he has here, so I feel inclined to believe (I'm a soft heart) that something he learned while being here. Hopefully, something positive.
Technically speaking, there aren't evidences he sold anything, but I bet 99% of the sellers caught out there were banned just for merely mentioning the word "sale". Nothing to object.
The line comes when it has to be decided if we take in account what the users do outside of FST. Clearly, there isn't a simple answer to this problem, and common sense often dictates the course of action.
What must prevail? Or what should we try to achieve on this particular case?
Banning the member is a false solution. It isn't either a solution to FST, and neither to the trackers potentially affected (all of them). It isn't a solution to FST, because clever asses know how to cover their tracks and get back in. After all, this site is open signup. Usually, their life span is quite short, if the other users play it smart and report shady situations. More than that, though your usual BT mods are always on the lookout, can be sometimes a matter of gut feeling and a LOT of research. There's some very advanced tools at our disposal, but they can never replace personal judgment when doubts arise.
It isn't a solution to the trackers either, because obviously there are more places out there than FST. All we'd achieve would be a regretful person, that isn't going to leave BT because he was banned here. A person that wouldn't have any reasons not to sell, who had learned from his mistakes, and decided to play it smart this time. Harder to catch maybe. That wouldn't have helped a bit the trackers.
By allowing him to stay, and thus not having to run and hide, while jeopardizing everyone's security, I personally believe he can be nurtured here to correct his ways. I'm sure he will keep his word of closing his account at that ugly site, and at any other similar one he might be a member at. I haven't dug this out yet, but I will.
Allowing him to stay, while on a somewhat long probation period, is the course of action that will be taken.
I hope you understand this is being done for the whole greater of the community, not only FST's interests. Some will agree with me, some won't. Some will say FST shelters sellers (it's trendy to badmouth this place on "leet" IRC channels), some will say FST is trying to avoid a potentially bigger problem for everyone. Some see farther than others do.
This might not be the solution some were hoping for, but I'm all for second chances. Users that have clearly harmed FST, like bumrocks did, and constantly lied to us, were given a second chance, from some of you who are now voting to ban TVCY. I find that hypocrite, to say the least. Factually, TVCY didn't harm in any way FST, yet. And we're trying to avoid that it might happen, and avoiding harm to the trackers.
For a conclusion, the user wasn't caught attempting to sell here. It was somewhere else. If he'd attempted to do it here, this thread wouldn't have been open in the first place.
Now, I could close this, but I won't, unless this isn't going anywhere.
disabled privs is the way to go! good choice, it's he one i voted for :) - option with least votes wins!
Sure :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
I really could care less if you sell invites or not dude, if you're truly sorry you should be apologizing to the waffles staff. I would've voted to let you stay with disabled privs incase you try to exploit the newbies here, I see that's already been done. Take it easy.
What should I do?Quote:
Ok, guys, you won! As you cannot read the rules prior to do anything, here is the deal:
changing user name = $10 USD
deleting account = $5 USD
Untill you decide cabalo, I'm changing every post to periods
Well this is embarrassing.Just let that account be tvcy,its existence or non-existence is inconsequential.
What you need is a fresh start.Once the dp has been removed you could always create a new account,history tells us that there is no redemption on fst so don't sweat it.
Personally I don't think you are an invite seller,however only you and you alone knows this for sure.
A fresh start means losing all those accounts you ever bought(assuming you did) as well as those you ever sold on(assuming you did).
[youtube]yjSLoz_9dI8[/youtube]stop listening to loo wayne :P
Why have the fucking poll if youre going to disregard it? Once again Ill use the word. Hypocrites.
Entertainment value?Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Btw since the poll was first opened it's become apparent that TVCY is hardly a noob at bt and as such probably did what he did with a total understanding of what invite selling meant .
@puckface since I did not create the poll and have not wavered in my opinion( although Cabalo does make some very good points) I hardly see any personal hypocrisy here.
As for trading/invite selling that goes on at this site .Nothing short of allowing mods access to PMs ,which ain't going happen, will ever totally stop it .
Oh well, I've just read the last Cabalo's post and I must be definitely missing something here... As Cabalo said: "Some see farther than others do" and I'm sure I'm in the dumbest side of this table...
I didn't gave my vote simple because in my "stupid" opinion all of this is quite "stupid"... sorry for that question but do we really believe that this user in question is really the last of all invite sellers out there?
We have 25 pages of comments and TVCY must be laughing with all of this... I have NOTHING against him cause I don't see this "thread" as his fault... The thing is: we have someone who tried to sell an invite and instead of dealing with the case in discrete we put him in evidence? This is totally awkward if you ask me =/
What I think about all of this? Let him stay, like all the others that we know are among us but we don't know about... and don't get me wrong here... I'm not trying to judge him like a lot of people here... I just think that if he's sorry for what he did, he'll never do it again and good for him and for all of us BUT, if he don't, so what? =/
and I know I'm not helping...
Very entertaining in fact, why else would I have posted in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787Entertainment value?Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Btw since the poll was first opened it's become apparent that TVCY is hardly a noob at bt and as such probably did what he did with a total understanding of what invite selling meant .
@puckface since I did not create the poll and have not wavered in my opinion( although Cabalo does make some very good points) I hardly see any personal hypocrisy here.
Its no person hypocrisy (only on your part obviously :) ), I just see it as a whole, not geared towards any person in particular as you well know.
If it was Cabalo's intention to have this thread and poll created for entertainments sake, then it was a good job done, if that was not the intention, I stand my my words.. why create it in the first place if you just ignore it anyway
I have to agree with that. People wonder why this site has such a bad reputation.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
This site has a bad reputation primarily because it allows trading .It does not have a bad reputation due to any hypocrisy since unfortunately it's not alone in allowing stupidity.
Why not delete the trading selection?Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Not within my power.
I'm pretty much limited to harshing idiots and making bad jokes.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2rm45ch.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackbeardWhy not delete the trading selection?Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
:(
Original mentors of this thread never imagined "not wanted here" would win the poll.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Why do you always have to view things with such a black and white opinion? There is no clear cut, he should be banned or he should remain decision. If perhaps, the poll only had two options, get out or stay in, then perhaps we could simply agree to follow the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
However, in this case there wasn't. Many also wished that he would simply stay, albeit with disabled privs. It could be argued both ways, that without this option whether or not they would have voted which way. As of such, it has been decided to give the benefit of the doubt. As cabalo mentioned he hasn't brought any direct harm to the site, yet, as bumrocks had, so he has been let off with a couple months of DP while he collects himself and realizes his mistakes. Whats the harm in that?
IMO it's not about TVC. Part of the reason you put people in prison isn't just to punish them personally it's so society sees them being punished.
Yes if you ban him he'll be back but really who gives a shit, that's just how it goes. You should have banned him to send a message and because of the precedent set on FST in the past.
I voted for not wanted. Never read a single word, and dont really care about the internet drama, but anyone silly enough to make a poll with an option to have themselves removed should be.
If you didn't even bother to read the opening post, then why post?Quote:
Originally Posted by smcewa11
I'm closing this.