It was long ago for FTN to go.
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It was long ago for FTN to go.
this for making a lot of donation !
Great, a continuation of a thread where people neither think, nor read. :ermm:
sending auto-generated friendly PM/announcement if donation isn't met like UK-T did is one thing. Whereas sending an announcement twice in a row with tone of "We have until 2 days before the end of each month to reach 100% before we start wiping the servers." is completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
and why is there no reserve? because paypal froze their account? i'm not doubting that...it happens all the time. but there are better ways to handle that then to limit donation to 100%
That's why I made this final line...Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
The tone was a bit odd/off, but I am still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. All of the negativity that forms in a thread like this cannot help a site owner get through tough times.
It is as if a certain portion of the community enjoys seeing sites fail. That's quite f'd up, if you ask me.
I agree with this, but it also appears they just can't win...Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchi11assending auto-generated friendly PM/announcement if donation isn't met like UK-T did is one thing. Whereas sending an announcement twice in a row with tone of "We have until 2 days before the end of each month to reach 100% before we start wiping the servers." is completely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
and why is there no reserve? because paypal froze their account? i'm not doubting that...it happens all the time. but there are better ways to handle that then to limit donation to 100%
Last month they were commended for not taking advantage of the donation drive and stopping donations at 100% so they couldn't be accused of doing an ScT and grabbing a shit load of funds...
This month they're 'to blame' for not holding a reserve and having to ask for donations... I don't envy the position the site is in tbh... seems they can't do right for doing wrong
donations at 67%,if they dont reach 100% in 4 days,they wll prolly close down and that would be sad,they usuall y got a more than 100% donations before
I would like to know how much their monthly costs are. Is that 33% shortage $300, or $1000?
Edit- And what is the breakdown of the costs? Other sites do this and it is very reassuring. Why does a 10 euro donation only change the percentage by 1%?
Transparency does bring about greater trust.
Serious question .If they don't meet costs and do shut down do I then automatically get my money back or do I have to file a claim ?
I don't mind donating to keep them on their feet even if I am passively subsidizing a bunch of ingrate other members who apparently can be bothered ( you play you pay) but I don't like the thought that the unused funds might be spent on some staffers new Playstation or something.
pretty much every tracker that has a decent donation drive has been accused of stealing money. If staff chooses to listen to them dismiss something as essential as reserve fund then idk what to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurnsyI agree with this, but it also appears they just can't win...Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchi11as
Last month they were commended for not taking advantage of the donation drive and stopping donations at 100% so they couldn't be accused of doing an ScT and grabbing a shit load of funds...
This month they're 'to blame' for not holding a reserve and having to ask for donations... I don't envy the position the site is in tbh... seems they can't do right for doing wrong
those who were bitching about it last month were mainly trolling and were minority.those who are bitching now are bigger in number and aren't trolling.
You don't get the funds automatically; you would have to file a paypal dispute to get your money back. The upside is, your money is guaranteed to get back to you, paypal always sides with the buyer (well, donor in this case, but that's worthless semantics).Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
By the way, just a random question. Why would you donate to a place when you are unsure of the stability of its future? I am a regular donor at a couple of places, but the minute they start actively asking for donations, I usually shun away from it, because I get this eerie doomed feeling that my money will serve no (useful) ends.
someone estimated it to be 1200 euro. their server cost has gone like 3x in last few years i think :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Because appearances to the contrary I'm essentially nice.:unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by ringhunterYou don't get the funds automatically; you would have to file a paypal dispute to get your money back. The upside is, your money is guaranteed to get back to you, paypal always sides with the buyer (well, donor in this case, but that's worthless semantics).Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
By the way, just a random question. Why would you donate to a place when you are unsure of the stability of its future? I am a regular donor at a couple of places, but the minute they start actively asking for donations, I usually shun away from it, because I get this eerie doomed feeling that my money will serve no (useful) ends.
I also give money to people begging on the street even though I know I'm probably being taken there as well.
In terms of giving I'd rather be a fool than think I could have helped someone and I didn't .
I draw the line at religion though.I'm stupid not retarded.
lol,when did it go down,its up :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eliteparrot
Give every donator (at least 10euro) an invite like what they did 2-3months ago.
Problem solved. 250% and counting.
Man, that's enough to buy a nice chinchilla fur coat. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chinchi11as
The number does seem to fit with the 1% roughly equaling 10 euros. That's a lot higher than FSC. I would really like to see the server bill and misc. costs.
Consider me a juror willing to look at more evidence, at this point. :mellow:
Edit- The site has reached 72%, BTW...
yeap LOT higher than FSC. Both are 0-day and have same owner. But FTN has like 2x userbase, torrent, peers and probably pays more in axx/boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabytemeMan, that's enough to buy a nice chinchilla fur coat. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chinchi11as
The number does seem to fit with the 1% roughly equaling 10 euros. That's a lot higher than FSC. I would really like to see the server bill and misc. costs.
Consider me a juror willing to look at more evidence, at this point. :mellow:
Edit- The site has reached 72%, BTW...
Same owner? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchi11as
Do you believe that 1200 euros is just the server cost? I would like to continue backing the site, but that seems like a lot. I would be happy to be wrong here...
Same owner?
God.
same owner ?
this is intented to be spam,sorry :D
What's God going to do the the money? Hopefully not take a vacation he's barely holding things together as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ringhunter
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Originally Posted by HDBits
Correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't that effectively start a lot of the problems? Traders and other pieces of shit started donating with stolen Credit Card numbers, or donating with their own money and then filing a dispute once they got the invite to claim their money back?
I think you'd create far more problems... Invites should never be linked to donations imho.
SCC doing just fine selling invite. it just my humble opinion, it happen once to FTN before and they make record with donation, probably enough to survived 3-4month before their paypal has shutdown. A few problem is ok compare to need shutdown tracker (which more worst). again, just my opinion.
Nice to hear from the authority on doing the right thing.:dry:
I was talking to him yesterday, don't know if he was even listening, but he seemed pretty bent on selling invites to heaven. Something about not enough members.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787What's God going to do the the money? Hopefully not take a vacation he's barely holding things together as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ringhunter
Unfortunately though doesn't it all come down to those god forsaken 'levels' again?Quote:
Originally Posted by HDBits
How hard is it to get an FTN invite? How hard is it to get an SCC invite?
The rarer something is, the more unscrupulous people will be in making sure they get what they want. I'm pretty sure FTN would doing just fine operating the same was as SCC do, if they hadn't been such a closed off community for as long thus being as hard to come by.
I'm in no way judging FTN or 'blaming' them for their plight, it's a horrible situation to be in and I really hope they get it sorted
Don't think he'd get many more members around here, although he could always post in the trades section... and I hope he's not using PayPal :P lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ringhunter
Dammit. If your post didn't follow mine so closely, people might have overlooked my hidden joke. :fist:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsy
Whoops, soz :P lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ringhunterDammit. If your post didn't follow mine so closely, people might have overlooked my hidden joke. :fist:Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsy
FSC doesnt pay for uploader seedboxes, uploaders chip in with their own boxes.....Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchi11asyeap LOT higher than FSC. Both are 0-day and have same owner. But FTN has like 2x userbase, torrent, peers and probably pays more in axx/boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
not the case with FTN.
That is true. fsc's donations are for the hosting only. Donations have nothing to do with providing any content. The members are solely responsible for the content and any servers used to up it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by babab007
Edit: to be clear I cant say what ftn spends their money on as I dont know :shrug:
edit: could have deleted mine as well, as it makes no sense without that guys gibberish
79% of X achieved. If X is a real number, and 1% of X is equal to 10 euros. Solve for X. Also, if a train is leaving the station when donations reach, 100%, will that train be containing said euros?*
*Actually, just joking here. I do wish FTN a long, continued, healthy relationship with this community. Their efforts are very much appreciated, and their ability to stand so much drama is highly respected.
210 Euros then?
Wrong. The correct answer was 5.8 km/hour. :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
lol..20% more to go
I'm sure they'll hit the 100%. But if staff doesn't loosen their tight grip around those invites, or restart the invite app process, to get some new blood, I have no doubt that the same tune will be played on the news page this time next month.
Something needs to change over there(there are so many great ideas being thrown out in the forums, but nothing being done). If not I have a feeling the site won't be around much longer, unfortunately.
+1 exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Funkin'
I cant believe that it has 4k+ members and there are less than 100 seeders on everything. FTN needs new blood i guess, and that way donations would go up, too.
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Originally Posted by filezez
yeh,at the time 20-25 people have invites according to stats,and considering a lot of people want an invite,the odds are trim :)