Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by whypikonme
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
The Catholic Priests are supposedly celibate,
Aren't ALL Catholics supposed to be celibate, unless they're procreating that is?
No, but don't let the fact that you don't know what you're talking about stop you.
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by JPaul
No, but don't let the fact that you don't know what you're talking about stop you.
In successive encyclicals and other statements, culminating in the 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church, the church has taken a consistently intransigent stand against all manifestations of permissiveness. Chastity is a requirement for all Catholics, whether married or single. The Church explicitly forbids, under pain of mortal sin, all forms of premarital or extramarital sex, masturbation, oral or anal sex, contraception and abortion, coitus interruptus and homosexual acts.
.. and this from somewhere else ...
These beliefs are grounded in their concept of natural law. The church once taught that the sole purpose of sex -- and marriage -- was procreation. They have modified this stance in recent decades by admitting that also has a unitive function; it bonds married couples closer together and strengthens their relationship. But, since the Church still regards the main purpose of sex to be procreation, they insist that any ethical sexual act must be open to conception. On this basis, they forbid the use of artificial methods of birth control, and consider any sexual behavior other than intercourse between a husband and wife to be a grave moral sin. Forbidden practices include masturbation, pre-marital sex, post-marital sex, extra-marital sex and all same-sex behaviors.
It says here that the church once taught it, and no longer do, however, they have never officially stated that fact.
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
peadophilia is the same as sex with over 16s, just the second person isn't old enough.
a man having sex with underage boys is gay
a man having sex with underage girls is straight
that's not to say gay people are peadophiles or straight people are peadophiles
What a load of crap.
Sex between two consenting adults of whatever gender, is totally different from an adult having sex with a minor.
The second one is akin to rape. It's an emotional as well as a physical rape by someone preying on a weak, vulnerable or impressionable child.
Being a paedophile is more than just having under-age sex. A 15 year old boy who has sex with a 15 year old girl is not a paedophile. A paedophile is a sexual predator who abuses a child, be it boy or girl, for their own perverted pleasure.
Gay and straight doesn't really make any sense when you're talking about paedophiles. Same sex or mixed sex, it's simply abuse.
This brings to mind a report I once heard about male rape in prisons. Quite often, the rapist doesn't even consider himself to be gay, but uses the act of rape as a means of demonstrating his power and domination over weaker prisoners. I think the same is true of paedophiles.
Oh in prison it can't possssibly be that the more powerful convict is horny too. :dry:
If a male friend of mine decides to fuck a fourteen year-old BOY. He's a pedophile and also gay as fuck. He also wouldn't be my friend no mo'.
One 'cause he's a pedophile and two 'cause if he's gay, hangin' together just wouldn't be the same. :( It's a one, two punch.
Btw what's a minor?
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by Busyman
What's a minor?
In the context of logic:
1. A minor premise.
2. A minor term.
You don't have a point so you're attempting (poorly) to obfuscate the issue by focusing on a triviality.
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by Busyman
What's a minor?
In the context of logic:
1. A minor premise.
2. A minor term.
You don't have a point so you're attempting (poorly) to obfuscate the issue by focusing on a triviality.
Dismissed
Anywaysss
What's considered a minor?*
*don't define the word with the same word
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by manker
In the context of logic:
1. A minor premise.
2. A minor term.
You don't have a point so you're attempting (poorly) to obfuscate the issue by focusing on a triviality.
Dismissed
Anywaysss
What's considered a minor?*
*don't define the word with the same word
Yup, I was bang on.
A minor is a person under the age of sexual consent in that particular locality. Now that's cleared up, you'll need a different angle to occlude matters.
To deflect from your piss poor (non) point, as it were.
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Dismissed
Anywaysss
What's considered a minor?*
*don't define the word with the same word
Yup, I was bang on.
A minor is a person under the age of sexual consent in that particular locality. Now that's cleared up, you'll need a different angle to occlude matters.
To deflect from your piss poor (non) point, as it were.
So pedophiles, these sexual deviants, are considered such based on where they commit the act. (you were bang on yet decided to define it...again) :unsure:
Oh my main point was in bold.....
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Originally Posted by Busyman
The point is that the Vatican is focused on gays in the priesthood 'cause that's who's been fucking up and making news. (add to that being gay goes against the religion)
Gay pedophiles....a nice one two punch for the Vatican to (finally) take action.
edit: I just got finished reading the source. Pretty goes along with what I thought.
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Oh my main point was in bold.....
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Originally Posted by Busyman
The point is that the Vatican is focused on gays in the priesthood 'cause that's who's been fucking up and making news. (add to that being gay goes against the religion)
Your main point is flawed.
The Vatican is "focused on gays" because of increased activism by gays and women to increase their (accepted) presence in the heirarchy.
The paedophile crisis is another matter altogether.
While sex is a component of paedophilia, "paedophilia" is not defined as a sexual orientation...it is a crime.
If you would like to disagree with this assertion feel free to consult with NAMBLA...they agree with you.
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by whypikonme
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Originally Posted by JPaul
No, but don't let the fact that you don't know what you're talking about stop you.
In successive encyclicals and other statements, culminating in the 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church, the church has taken a consistently intransigent stand against all manifestations of permissiveness. Chastity is a requirement for all Catholics, whether married or single. The Church explicitly forbids, under pain of mortal sin, all forms of premarital or extramarital sex, masturbation, oral or anal sex, contraception and abortion, coitus interruptus and homosexual acts.
.. and this from somewhere else ...
These beliefs are grounded in their concept of natural law. The church once taught that the sole purpose of sex -- and marriage -- was procreation. They have modified this stance in recent decades by admitting that also has a unitive function; it bonds married couples closer together and strengthens their relationship. But, since the Church still regards the main purpose of sex to be procreation, they insist that any ethical sexual act must be open to conception. On this basis, they forbid the use of artificial methods of birth control, and consider any sexual behavior other than intercourse between a husband and wife to be a grave moral sin. Forbidden practices include masturbation, pre-marital sex, post-marital sex, extra-marital sex and all same-sex behaviors.
It says here that the church
once taught it, and no longer do, however, they have never officially stated that fact.
Post all the crap you wish to "google" for. You're still wrong.
The Catholic church does not require it's members to be celibate.
Re: Vatican plan to block gay priests
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Originally Posted by clocker
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Oh my main point was in bold.....
Your main point is flawed.
The Vatican is "focused on gays" because of increased activism by gays and women to increase their (accepted) presence in the heirarchy.
The paedophile crisis is another matter altogether.
While sex is a component of paedophilia, "paedophilia" is not defined as a sexual orientation...it is a crime.
If you would like to disagree with this assertion feel free to consult with NAMBLA...they agree with you.
Of course I know pedophilia is a crime....look at how what pedophilia is differs from country to country and state to state. In some places, I'd imagine that consensual sex os ok at 15.
I never said pedophilia is defined as a sexual orientation either. I said gay pedophile....gay describing the orientation (or the act) of the pedophile.
