Anyone else totally FED UP of seedbox users?

Imho a ratio system is bad anyway.
Why? Because there is always someone left over.
Let's simplify the whole torrent thing, just 1 seeder and 1 leecher.
You see, the leecher will download but will not able to seed it back.
Imagine the whole now on a today's tracker.
The one with faster upload speed will get more requests of course,
while the one with slower will get lesser
and the last in the chain will never get one anyway.
I don't blame the seedboxes, they keep the speed on valuable level(at least for the new torrents),
more the ratio system itself. There should be another system to evaluate a user.
Upload shouldn't be the only thing but a part of it.

There's no point in blaming seedbox users , Internet speeds will get faster , people in Japan/Korea have access to 100 meg connections , how would that be diff from a seedbox

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Originally Posted by The_Martinator

Guys, a bonus system is very usefull, but it can also be abused, by users limiting their upload speed. Again that's where the community aspect (sharing is caring) kick in.

why do people seed at BMTV, What, etc. for a longer time? Simple, because they're afraid of their ratio. Honestly, Im glad I used a seedbox there. But my buffer at BMTV is allmost all used out.

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It is true that bonus system can be abused, and had been abused. But no one like to point a finger to sb user for ridiculously over-seeding as an abuser.

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Originally Posted by TP635

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Originally Posted by The_Martinator

Guys, a bonus system is very usefull, but it can also be abused, by users limiting their upload speed. Again that's where the community aspect (sharing is caring) kick in.

why do people seed at BMTV, What, etc. for a longer time? Simple, because they're afraid of their ratio. Honestly, Im glad I used a seedbox there. But my buffer at BMTV is allmost all used out.

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It is true that bonus system can be abused, and had been abused. But no one like to point a finger to sb user for ridiculously over-seeding as an abuser.

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They did and still do it at Pedro's in spite of the rules changes.

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Originally Posted by shipwreck

What.cd got seeders because it strongly encourages uploading of your own stuff. Without your own uploads, it's very difficult to maintain a good ratio there, unless you have a seedbox and leech tons of stuff you don't really want / need (like many users do there). What.cd therefore is not exactly the best example you could have brought up in this respect.

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you mean What.cd got stuff because it strongly encourages uploading.
uploads have nothing to do with seeding time and most of the time, uploaders are not even part of the last seeders.
trust me, after uploading their own torrents, the most used way by what.cd members to maintain a positive ratio is to keep torrents seeding 'forever' (and it works).

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Originally Posted by shipwreck

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

not to mention that a bonus system would be totally useless without a ratio system (except maybe for karma points whores).

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Sorry, but that is nonsense. You can reward users with invites, for example, and other benefits. There are non-ratio sites that do exactly that.

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lol, do you seriously think that the major part of the members of a tracker would be willing to seed torrents for a long period only to get invites and useless prices like custom titles or VIP status for x months ?

My upload speed ranges from 256kbps to 512kbps and I currently have a ratio of 3.281 on a tracker.

The trick is to grab FL torrents or download form Usenet and 'help' seed.

So, basically, we want to:

• maximize download speeds -> seedboxes FTW!
• maximize retention -> everybody seeed!
• minimize the frustration of people who cannot grab what they want -> the hell with the seedboxes? No!

There must be found other ways to achieve this third goal. It is quite obvious that the global ratio system is a major obstacle for it, so let's get rid of it. But how do we motivate the people in order to achieve goals 1 and 2 then?
One way is to reintroduce the ratio system, but for each torrent this time. The whole idea of sharing is to give back at least as much as you got, anyway. But imposing 1:1 ratio for each torrent would make things a lot worse than now. So, two separated concepts must be introduced: real ratio and recorded ratio. The real ratio would be the one we know, download / upload, while recorded ratio = real ratio + seed time bonus, where seed time bonus would be something like 0.05/h.
People who continue seeding after their real ratio is 1 should receive bonuses which can be used for things like: making requests and reseed requests, reduce the seed time required on other torrents that they don't have the possibility to seed(this must be made quite impractical in terms of bonus needed for a torrent to be leeched freely, as we must not forget goal number 2), receive invites, custom titles, access to special areas in the forums etc.
Advantages:

• we generally achieve goal number 3 because noone should fear to download what they want anymore, as in the worst case scenario they'll just have to seed the torrent for 200 hours and that's all
• everyone will be interested to upload as much as possible, so they can remove the torrent sooner or get some bonus to spend on different things. (and yes, i do think that if it would be the only way to get invites at FTN for example, there would be a lot of guys there seeding like crazy in order to get their precious e-penis enlargement tool)

Of course, donating should be rewarded with some gigs of free download, so people don't forget about this important thing and the guys that want usenet like service can be pleased.

My biggest beef with seedbox users are RSS downloaders. They rarely, if ever, use what they download aside from ratio buffer, garbage quality is further expanded without anyone reporting bad uploads, and it's just pointless. The point of downloading for me has always been to get what you want. Never to build a ratio, but because it's something you want. They rarely seed very long, a week at best. The what.cd upload contests were a fine example where you'd literally see 50 seedbox users grab this stuff and a week or so later there's under a dozen seeds left. Not to mention downloading something with 35+ snatches only to find out it was a piss weak rip. RSS blows, I hate it, I'll never use it.

People moaning about bad upload speeds can still have a solid buffer on sites. I had well over 100gb buffer on what.cd with my home ADSL because I uploaded & kept torrents alive. i got over 2TB up on bmtv over 2 years simply from seeding on a 1mbps upload connection 24/7, I never stopped unless the torrent died or got too crowded.

I use a seedbox now because I can't afford to stay on a high quota, and torrent has far more overhead than FTP. I leech what I want to my box then FTP it home. I'm moving to a new ISP next month that count uploads, and that rules out going back to seeding from home. But atleast then I'll have 200GB for the same price I currently pay for a lousy 40GB so I can now leech my seedbox even more.

For me it's not about ratio building, it never has been. It's always been a way to download what I want before it gets deleted so I can bring it home down the road.

So I'm not sick of seedboxes. I'm sick of how a lot of people (mis)use them.

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So I'm not sick of seedboxes. I'm sick of how a lot of people (mis)use them.

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I seconded that

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Originally Posted by Mugur

So, two separated concepts must be introduced: real ratio and recorded ratio. The real ratio would be the one we know, download / upload, while recorded ratio = real ratio + seed time bonus, where seed time bonus would be something like 0.05/h.
People who continue seeding after their real ratio is 1 should receive bonuses which can be used for things like: making requests and reseed requests, reduce the seed time required on other torrents that they don't have the possibility to seed(this must be made quite impractical in terms of bonus needed for a torrent to be leeched freely, as we must not forget goal number 2), receive invites, custom titles, access to special areas in the forums etc.

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good idea but wouldnt this mean that every tracker should be like fsc but unfortunately,as far as I know., even fsc doesnt have that much fun to offer.
not trying to be negtive here but a few years from now on, we might not be using torrent any more. who knows. so for the moment I'd rather face the reality that sb is dominating the private tracker world so I'd either go with the flow or find 'elsewhere peaceful'.