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Okay - back to the law.
I am not talking about Mexican-Americans, I am talking about illegal aliens.
You are not talking about Mexican-Americans, either; you are referring to Mexicans, and, more to your point, Mexican-Americans can go to Mexico any time they like to visit relatives without running any sort of legal risk.
Btw-
You aren't really talking about "dinner", either, are you.
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I'll have to check back tomorrow to see what we were talking about. But I don't really mean see. Nor do I mean I'll. I don't even really, truly mean to.
Until then...
Well, "until" is a bit of a misnomer...
You may have to exhume 'Jim Crow' and change some of it from colour to illegal immigrant.:whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
No can do, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
Against all sorts of law; unconstitutional-ish.
See, now you're perpetuating racism, just like every other white American.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboabYou may have to exhume 'Jim Crow' and change some of it from colour to illegal immigrant.:whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Get a tan, why don't you.
Additional thoughts on this:Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
Is it your contention that Latinos are coming to the U.S. to access our educational system in order to study...themselves?
Also - having read S.B. 1070, I don't recall any language banning "Latino Studies"...perhaps you could cite the relevant sections.
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Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
We need more assimilation in the United States, not less of it. Should taxpayers really be expected to pay for Latino Studies? If it was taught off campus using private funds, then great, that's freedom of speech.
Look at it from my perspective, let's say I wanted to take an Austrian Studies course when I was in high school. Should taxpayers be expected to pay for that?
Even if it was a completely benign course that just taught about the history of Austria, well, taxpayers already pay for world history courses to be taught, and that should be enough depth at the high school level anyways. They should really be focusing more on math, science, reading, and writing skills at the high school level. An in depth course about Austria should be saved until college, or should be for the inquiring student to read about on his own outside of class.
The "ethnic studies" law is actually a completely different law from SB 1070.
It is HB 2281...
It states... "THE LEGISLATURE FINDS AND DECLARES THAT PUBLIC SCHOOL PUPILS SHOULD BE
6 TAUGHT TO TREAT AND VALUE EACH OTHER AS INDIVIDUALS AND NOT BE TAUGHT TO
7 RESENT OR HATE OTHER RACES OR CLASSES OF PEOPLE.
8 15-112. Prohibited courses and classes; enforcement
9 A. A SCHOOL DISTRICT OR CHARTER SCHOOL IN THIS STATE SHALL NOT INCLUDE
10 IN ITS PROGRAM OF INSTRUCTION ANY COURSES OR CLASSES THAT INCLUDE ANY OF THE
11 FOLLOWING:
12 1. PROMOTE THE OVERTHROW OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
13 2. PROMOTE RESENTMENT TOWARD A RACE OR CLASS OF PEOPLE.
14 3. ARE DESIGNED PRIMARILY FOR PUPILS OF A PARTICULAR ETHNIC GROUP.
15 4. ADVOCATE ETHNIC SOLIDARITY INSTEAD OF THE TREATMENT OF PUPILS AS
16 INDIVIDUALS."
I happen to agree with that!
You can find the entire law to read for yourself right here...
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2281s.pdf
And you decide if it really is as horrible as some people are saying.
And here is what our Superintendent of Public Instruction had to say about it....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,592863,00.html
"Martin Luther King gave his famous speech in which he said we should be judged by the quality of our character, rather than the color of our skin. And that has been among my deepest beliefs my entire life. And so this has made me opposed to dividing students by race.
In the Tucson school district -- this was what led me to introduce this legislation -- they divide the kids up. They've got Raza studies for the Latino kids. Raza means "the race" in Spanish. African-American studies for the African-American kids, Indian studies for the native American kids and Asian studies for the Asian kids. And they're dividing them up just like the old South.
And I believe that what's important about us is what we know, what we can do, what's our character as individuals, not what race we happen to have been born into. And the function of the public schools is to bring in kids from different backgrounds and teach them to treat each other as individuals. And the Tucson district is doing the opposite. They're teaching them to emphasize ethnic solidarity, what I call ethnic chauvinism. And I think that's exactly is the wrong thing to do in the public schools, and that's why I introduced this legislation to give myself the authority to put a stop to it.
HORNE: Well, one of the things that happened was that when Delores Juerta said that, there was a lot of controversy and people told me I should stop schools from having controversial speakers. And I said No, kids learn from controversial speakers, but they need to hear both sides. So I brought down Margaret Garcia Dugan (ph), who's my deputy and who's running for my position now, as I'm running for attorney general. And I brought her down to give a speech because she grew up in an immigrant family and she's also a Republican. And she said, I'm a proud Latina and a proud Republican, and I don't hate myself. And she gave them a very high- quality speech about how they should be skeptical, they should avoid stereotypes.
In the middle of her speech, a group of students that are in the Raza studies program got up, put their fists in the air, turned their back to her. The principal asked them to sit down and listen, and they walked out on their own principal.
These kids I believe did not learn this rude behavior from home. They were taught at home to be polite. They learned this rude behavior from the Raza studies teachers. And it's dysfunctional for them because as adults, they need to learn to deal with disagreement in a civil way. If they think the way to deal with disagreement is by being rude or getting in people's face, they're going to be unsuccessful adults.
So I think this is mostly dysfunctional for the students that are in this Raza studies program being subject to a revolutionary curriculum, a curriculum that tells them that we took Arizona and other states from Mexico and it should go back to them, that tells them that the enemy is capitalism, that they're oppressed and they should be resentful.
These kids' parents and grandparents came to this country, most of them legally, because this is the land of opportunity, and they trust their children to our schools. And we need to teach these children that this is the land of opportunity, and if they work hard, they can achieve anything, and not teach them that they're oppressed."
Such as...?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4No can do, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
Against all sorts of law; unconstitutional-ish.
My idea has always been the same as bb's. Why would that break any law(s)? Honest question.
So it has nothing to do with emigration or the AZ immigration law? Take it to another thread please; that discussion does not belong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by 999969999
It starts with things like this V - pay particular attention to the emboldened section:Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizSuch as...?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
My idea has always been the same as bb's. Why would that break any law(s)? Honest question.
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.
True, but the matter was raised by Mr. 'leet', so.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizSo it has nothing to do with emigration or the AZ immigration law? Take it to another thread please; that discussion does not belong here.Quote:
Originally Posted by 999969999
I am tempted to tell a true story, a story that is so 'on-point', I dare not tell it for being thought a liar.