Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004)

i'm not a liberal by any means. dont you think they could have taken saddam out without all this mess? i know the u.s. is trying to look all great by being the country regulating this shit, but honestly, we rushed into it so bad its just a big mess now. i agree that saddam was a horrible, cruel, inhumane, dictator and that he should have been removed asap, but there were many diplomatic means that could have been followed instead of going to war with a country and causing civilian casualties and pissing iraqis off with too many mistakes.

list of news articles talking about how iraq has no WMD

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include...&storyid=670123

http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001036.html
^I know it's a bush cheney site but it's not written by them, just quoted^

Weapons found - More to come?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

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Originally posted by E-squirrel@2 July 2004 - 14:59
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include...&storyid=670123

http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001036.html
^I know it's a bush cheney site but it's not written by them, just quoted^

Weapons found - More to come?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

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first article is all speculation. second talks of traces of chemicals, ag & commercial chemicals, and more speculation about arms production. third article talks about a roadside bomb containing mustard gas and then they went on to say "it would be the first finding of a banned weapon upon which the United States based its case for war." mm, an entire war for one banned weapon. :blink: cool.


anyways, we could sling articles back and forth all day and no one would really care, so i'll just end this by saying: Iraq was one big fucking mistake.

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Originally posted by lee551+2 July 2004 - 17:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lee551 @ 2 July 2004 - 17:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-E&#045;squirrel@2 July 2004 - 14:59
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include...&storyid=670123

http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/001036.html
^I know it&#39;s a bush cheney site but it&#39;s not written by them, just quoted^

Weapons found - More to come?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

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first article is all speculation. second talks of traces of chemicals, ag & commercial chemicals, and more speculation about arms production. third article talks about a roadside bomb containing mustard gas and then they went on to say "it would be the first finding of a banned weapon upon which the United States based its case for war." mm, an entire war for one banned weapon. :blink: cool.


anyways, we could sling articles back and forth all day and no one would really care, so i&#39;ll just end this by saying: Iraq was one big fucking mistake. [/b][/quote]
I couldn&#39;t agree with you more.

got this in my e-mail today. its from michael moore&#39;s mailing list. i thought it was pretty interesting to read (they usually are). it lists some astonishing facts about the movie&#39;s opening etc.. so read on&#33;

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July 4th, 2004




Friends,

Where do I begin? This past week has knocked me for a loop. "Fahrenheit 9/11," the #1 movie in the country, the largest grossing documentary ever. My head is spinning. Didn&#39;t we just lose our distributor 8 weeks ago? Did Karl Rove really fail to stop this? Is Bush packing?

Each day this week I was given a new piece of information from the press that covers Hollywood, and I barely had time to recover from the last tidbit before the next one smacked me upside the head:



** More people saw "Fahrenheit 9/11" in one weekend than all the people who saw "Bowling for Columbine" in 9 months.

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" broke "Rocky III’s" record for the biggest box office opening weekend ever for any film that opened in less than a thousand theaters.

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" beat the opening weekend of "Return of the Jedi."

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" instantly went to #2 on the all-time list for largest per-theater average ever for a film that opened in wide-release.

How can I ever thank all of you who went to see it? These records are mind-blowing. They have sent shock waves through Hollywood – and, more importantly, through the White House.

But it didn&#39;t just stop there. The response to the movie then went into the Twilight Zone. Surfing through the dial I landed on the Fox broadcasting network which was airing the NASCAR race live last Sunday to an audience of millions of Americans -- and suddenly the announcers were talking about how NASCAR champ Dale Earnhardt, Jr. took his crew to see “Fahrenheit 9/11” the night before. FOX sportscaster Chris Myers delivered Earnhardt’s review straight out of his mouth and into the heartland of America: “He said hey, it&#39;ll be a good bonding experience no matter what your political belief. It&#39;s a good thing as an American to go see.”&nbsp; Whoa&#33; NASCAR fans – you can’t go deeper into George Bush territory than that&#33; White House moving vans – START YOUR ENGINES&#33;


Then there was Roger Friedman from the Fox News Channel giving our film an absolutely glowing review, calling it “a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.” Richard Goldstein of the Village Voice surmised that Bush is already considered a goner so Rupert Murdoch might be starting to curry favor with the new administration. I don&#39;t know about that, but I’ve never heard a decent word toward me from Fox. So, after I was revived, I wondered if a love note to me from Sean Hannity was next.



How about Letterman’s Top Ten List: “Top Ten George W. Bush Complaints About "Fahrenheit 9/11":



10. That actor who played the President was totally unconvincing



9. It oversimplified the way I stole the election



8. Too many of them fancy college-boy words



7. If Michael Moore had waited a few months, he could have included the part where I get him deported



6. Didn&#39;t have one of them hilarious monkeys who smoke cigarettes and gives people the finger



5. Of all Michael Moore&#39;s accusations, only 97% are true



4. Not sure - - I passed out after a piece of popcorn lodged in my windpipe



3. Where the hell was Spider-man?



2. Couldn&#39;t hear most of the movie over Cheney&#39;s foul mouth



1. I thought this was supposed to be about dodgeball

But it was the reactions and reports we received from theaters around the country that really sent me over the edge. One theatre manager after another phoned in to say that the movie was getting standing ovations as the credits rolled – in places like Greensboro, NC and Oklahoma City -- and that they were having a hard time clearing the theater afterwards because people were either too stunned or they wanted to sit and talk to their neighbors about what they had just seen. In Trumbull, CT, one woman got up on her seat after the movie and shouted "Let&#39;s go have a meeting&#33;" A man in San Francisco took his shoe off and threw it at the screen when Bush appeared at the end. Ladies’ church groups in Tulsa were going to see it, and weeping afterwards.

It was this last group that gave lie to all the yakking pundits who, before the movie opened, declared that only the hard-core "choir" would go to see "Fahrenheit 9/11." They couldn&#39;t have been more wrong. Theaters in the Deep South and the Midwest set house records for any film they’d ever shown. Yes, it even sold out in Peoria. And Lubbock, Texas. And Anchorage, Alaska&#33;

Newspaper after newspaper wrote stories in tones of breathless disbelief about people who called themselves “Independents” and “Republicans” walking out of the movie theater shaken and in tears, proclaiming that they could not, in good conscience, vote for George W. Bush. The New York Times wrote of a conservative Republican woman in her 20s in Pensacola, Florida who cried through the film, and told the reporter: “It really makes me question what I feel about the president... it makes me question his motives…”



Newsday reported on a self-described “ardent Bush/Cheney supporter” who went to see the film on Long Island, and his quiet reaction afterwards. He said, "It&#39;s really given me pause to think about what&#39;s really going on. There was just too much - too much to discount." The man then bought three more tickets for another showing of the film.



The Los Angeles Times found a mother who had “supported [Bush] fiercely” at a theater in Des Peres, Missouri: “Emerging from Michael Moore&#39;s ‘Fahrenheit 9/11,’ her eyes wet, Leslie Hanser said she at last understood…. ‘My emotions are just....’ She trailed off, waving her hands to show confusion. ‘I feel like we haven&#39;t seen the whole truth before.’"

All of this had to be the absolute worst news for the White House to wake up to on Monday morning. I guess they were in such a stupor, they "gave" Iraq back to, um, Iraq two days early&#33;

News editors told us that they were being "bombarded" with e-mails and calls from the White House (read: Karl Rove), trying to spin their way out of this mess by attacking it and attacking me. Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett had told the White House press corps that the movie was "outrageously false" -- even though he said he hadn&#39;t seen the movie. He later told CNN that "This is a film that doesn&#39;t require us to actually view it to know that it&#39;s filled with factual inaccuracies." At least they&#39;re consistent. They never needed to see a single weapon of mass destruction before sending our kids off to die.

Many news shows were more than eager to buy the White House spin.&nbsp; After all, that is a big part of what "Fahrenheit" is about -- how the lazy, compliant media bought all the lies from the Bush administration about the need to invade Iraq. They took the Kool-Aid offered by the White House and rarely, if ever, did our media ask the hard questions that needed to be asked before the war started.

Because the movie "outs" the mainstream media for their failures and their complicity with the Bush administration -- who can ever forget their incessant, embarrassing cheerleading as the troops went off to war, as though it was all just a game -- the media was not about to let me get away with anything now resembling a cultural phenomenon. On show after show, they went after me with the kind of viciousness you would have hoped they had had for those who were lying about the necessity for invading a sovereign nation that was no threat to us. I don&#39;t blame our well-paid celebrity journalists -- they look like a bunch of ass-kissing dopes in my movie, and I guess I&#39;d be pretty mad at me, too. After all, once the NASCAR fans see "Fahrenheit 9/11," will they ever believe a single thing they see on ABC/NBC/CBS news again?

In the next week or so, I will recount my adventures through the media this past month (I will also be posting a full FAQ on my website soon so that you can have all the necessary backup and evidence from the film when you find yourself in heated debate with your conservative brother-in-law&#33;). For now, please know the following: Every single fact I state in "Fahrenheit 9/11" is the absolute and irrefutable truth. This movie is perhaps the most thoroughly researched and vetted documentary of our time. No fewer than a dozen people, including three teams of lawyers and the venerable one-time fact-checkers from The New Yorker went through this movie with a fine-tooth comb so that we can make this guarantee to you. Do not let anyone say this or that isn&#39;t true. If they say that, they are lying. Let them know that the OPINIONS in the film are mine, and anyone certainly has a right to disagree with them. And the questions I pose in the movie, based on these irrefutable facts, are also mine. And I have a right to ask them. And I will continue to ask them until they are answered.

In closing, let me say that the most heartening response to the film has come from our soldiers and their families. Theaters in military towns across the country reported packed houses. Our troops know the truth. They have seen it first-hand. And many of them could not believe that here was a movie that was TRULY on their side -- the side of bringing them home alive and never sending them into harms way again unless it&#39;s the absolute last resort. Please take a moment to read this wonderful story from the daily paper in Fayetteville, NC, where Fort Bragg is located. It broke my heart to read this, the reactions of military families and the comments of an infantryman’s wife publicly backing my movie -- and it gave me the resolve to make sure as many Americans as possible see this film in the coming weeks.

Thank you again, all of you, for your support. Together we did something for the history books. My apologies to "Return of the Jedi." We&#39;ll make it up by producing "Return of the Texan to Crawford" in November.

May the farce be with you, but not for long,

Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
[email protected]



P.S. You can read letters from people around the country recounting their own experiences at the theater, and their reactions to the film by going here.



P.P.S. Also, I’m going to start blogging&#33; Tonight&#33; Come on over and check it out.

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** More people saw "Fahrenheit 9/11" in one weekend than all the people who saw "Bowling for Columbine" in 9 months.

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" broke "Rocky III’s" record for the biggest box office opening weekend ever for any film that opened in less than a thousand theaters.

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" beat the opening weekend of "Return of the Jedi."

** "Fahrenheit 9/11" instantly went to #2 on the all-time list for largest per-theater average ever for a film that opened in wide-release.

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:D yay for the truth&#33;

I have found it. Proof that there is now no reason to dislike Michael Moore.

Moore says OK to pirate his movie

Now, i really don;t know why you all hate this man so much, he&#39;s on our side&#33; B)

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Originally posted by Hexen4@4 July 2004 - 19:20
I have found it.&nbsp; Proof that there is now no reason to dislike Michael Moore.

Moore says OK to pirate his movie

Now, i really don;t know why you all hate this man so much, he&#39;s on our side&#33; B)

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holy shit&#33;, all hail moore lol, jp, but that&#39;s dope, he really made a bold move by doing that good job mikey ;) B)&#092;


KISS MY ASS MPAA :angry: :lol:

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Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@1 July 2004 - 17:26
Don&#39;t ignore my question Java. I asked you tell me in your oppinion why Bush is a "retard" or a "liar".

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On September 4, 1976, a state trooper saw Bush&#39;s car swerve onto the shoulder, then back onto the road. Bush failed a road sobriety test and blew a .10 blood alcohol, plead guilty, and was fined and had his driver&#39;s license suspended. His spokesman says that he had drunk "several beers" at a local bar before the arrest. Bush was 30 at the time. He now says that he stopped drinking when he turned 40 because it was a problem.

More troubling, Bush lied in denying such an arrest, and still won&#39;t take responsibility for his actions. His first reaction was to blame Democrats and Fox News -- the only openly conservative TV network -- for reporting the story. "Why [was this reported] now, four days before the election? I&#39;ve got my suspicions." He refused to say what his suspicions are, though. Bush admits covering up the story, but seems to think he has no responsibility for the failure of his cover up.

In fact, just like Clinton with Monica Lewinsky, Bush has brazenly and repeatedly lied to cover up and minimize this arrest.

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1. Bush Lied at his Press Conference, 11/3/2000
Bush said he paid a fine on the spot and never went to court. That was a lie. In fact, it was a man also in court for DUI the same day who revealed Bush&#39; arrest. Here is exactly what Bush said in his press conference:
Bush: "I told the guy I had been drinking and what do I need to do? And he said, "Here&#39;s the fine." I paid the fine and did my duty...."
Reporter: "Governor, was there any legal proceeding of any kind? Or did you just -- "
Bush: "No. I pled -- you know, I said I was wrong and I ..."
Reporter: "In court? "
Bush: No, there was no court. I went to the police station. I said, "I&#39;m wrong."

2. Bush Lied in Court, 1978
Bush got a court hearing to get his driving suspension lifted early, even though he had not completed a required driver rehabilitation course. He told the hearings officer that he drank only once a month, and just had "an occasional beer." The officer granted his request. But Bush continued drinking for 8 years after that date and has said publicly that he drank too much and had a drinking problem during that time. Presumably Bush was under oath during the hearing, though we haven&#39;t been able to pin down that detail. The Bush campaign refuses to comment on this contradiction.

3. Bush Lied To "The Dallas Morning News", 1998
"Just after the governor&#39;s reelection in 1998, [Dallas Morning News reporter Wayne] Slater pressed Bush about whether he had ever been arrested. &#39;He said, &#39;After 1968? No.&#39;" Dallas Morning News, 11/03/2000 [Before 1968, Bush was arrested for theft and vandalism in college.]

4. Bush Lied On &#39;Meet The Press&#39;, 11/21/99
"Bush has often acknowledged past mistakes, but CBS News Correspondent Lee Cowan reports that in a 1999 interview with CBS station WBZ in Boston, he denied there was any so-called smoking gun."

Bush also evaded countless questions and gave Clintonesque half-truths. For example, while struggling with how to answer charges of drug abuse, he said that he would have been able to pass FBI background checks during his father&#39;s administration. But those checks include the question "Have you ever been arrested for any crime?" So either he was directly lying, or he has some Slick explanation like "I could have explained the circumstances of the arrest and still passed the FBI check."

In another evasion, Bush decided to serve jury duty in 1996, during his first year as governor. On his questionairre, he simply left blank the questions about prior arrests and trials. Then he found himself on a trial for drunk driving, where every juror is eventually asked about prior convictions for drunk driving. The night before the trial, Bush&#39;s lawyer asked the defense attorney to dismiss him, because "it would be improper for a governor to sit on a criminal case in which he could later be asked to grant clemency." It&#39;s a silly argument, because that problem exists with any criminal trial and Bush had already decided to serve on a jury, but the defense attorney obliged and excused him before direct questioning of jurors began.

Bush now justifies covering up his arrest "to be a good role model for his daughters." How does he figure that? Lying to cover up your crimes is not what I call being a good role model. Taking responsibility for your actions, admitting fault honestly and warning people of the consequences you suffered, THAT would be a good example. But Bush prefers the Clinton route of bald-faced lying, then blaming your enemies and the press when you get caught.

Bush is now the first person to be elected president after being convicted of a crime.

Bush had several other drunken incidents, as well. In December, 1972, Bush challenged his dad (the ex-president) to a fist fight, during an argument about Bush&#39;s drunk driving. He had taken his little brother out drinking, and ran over a neighbor&#39;s garbage cans on the way home. Bush&#39;s atypical public service job, working with inner city Houston kids, appears to have been an unofficial community service stint set up by Bush, Sr. Apparently the governor didn&#39;t learn his lesson, because his drunk driving conviction occured almost four years later.

In another incident, he started screaming obscenities at a Wall Street Journal reporter, just because that reporter predicted that Bush&#39;s father would not be the 1988 Republican nominee. The reporter obviously was wrong, but a drunken Bush Jr. walked up to him at a restaurant and started yelling "You fucking son of a bitch. I won&#39;t forget what you said and you&#39;re going to pay a price for it."

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George Bush&#39;s Arrest Record
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Bush&#39;s Driving License Suspension Record
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Bush lied about his arrest, a reporter says

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Originally posted by "Stupid White Men"
We do know, George, that you have been arrested three times. Other than some peace-activist friends of mine, I don&#39;t personally know anyone who has been arrested three times in their life. In addition to the drunk driving, you were arrested with some fraternity brothers for stealing a Christmas wreath as a prank. What was that all about?

Your third arrest was for disorderly conduct at a football game. Now this I really don&#39;t get. Everyone conducts themselves in a disorderly manner at a football game&#33; I&#39;ve been to many football games and have had many a beer spilled on my head, but to this day I&#39;ve never seen anyone arrested. You&#39;ve gotta work pretty hard to get noticed in a crowd of drunken football fans.

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