Well It's Democracy

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Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+5 August 2004 - 23:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 5 August 2004 - 23:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MicroScreen2@6 August 2004 - 00:21
oh i think i understand now. the selfish is selfish because its putting other peope in tthe firing line. if theres no firing line the selfishness isnt there so much, or at least the suffering isn&#39;t. when kids with gay parents can accepted the same as any other kid. then is the right time

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Make up your mind, either be good with expresing yourself in English or not.

It&#39;s cool either way, but just try to be consistent, it&#39;s more fun that way.

The following is not really consistent with someone who finds English difficult.

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its just not the same. your examples are oppressed people that decided they want freedom irrespective of the consequences and accepted they may suffer.

i&#39;m talking about people who want to do something irrespective of how they will make someone else suffer.

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Like I said, one way or the other old bean. [/b][/quote]
to me they say the same thing :(

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Originally posted by hobbes@5 August 2004 - 23:36
Let me clarify the "irony"


You stated that gays should not be allowed to marry because their children would bear the burden of punishment (bullied).

I stated that you were being Paternalistic, meaning that you were making a decision for them, not because it was right, but because you thought someone could get hurt. You didn&#39;t think that they would be able to handle the situation themselves, so you intervened.

Your response was "that&#39;s stupid" (my saying that you were being paternalistic) and then you stated that there is a "time to mind your own business and a time to intervene" and "now is not the right time".

That is my exact point, you are being paternalistic, you want to make decisions for someone else.

There is the irony. You thought you weren&#39;t being paternalistic and that my calling you paternalistic was "stupid". In truth, you were being exactly that, and not even realizing it.

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i meant as in it would be stupid not to intervene as you said it as critisism

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Originally posted by MicroScreen2+6 August 2004 - 00:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MicroScreen2 @ 6 August 2004 - 00:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@5 August 2004 - 23:34
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@6 August 2004 - 00:21
oh i think i understand now. the selfish is selfish because its putting other peope in tthe firing line. if theres no firing line the selfishness isnt there so much, or at least the suffering isn&#39;t. when kids with gay parents can accepted the same as any other kid. then is the right time

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Make up your mind, either be good with expresing yourself in English or not.

It&#39;s cool either way, but just try to be consistent, it&#39;s more fun that way.

The following is not really consistent with someone who finds English difficult.

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its just not the same. your examples are oppressed people that decided they want freedom irrespective of the consequences and accepted they may suffer.

i&#39;m talking about people who want to do something irrespective of how they will make someone else suffer.

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Like I said, one way or the other old bean.

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to me they say the same thing :( [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Is that really the best you can do.

You disappoint me.

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Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+5 August 2004 - 23:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 5 August 2004 - 23:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by MicroScreen2@6 August 2004 - 00:37

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@6 August 2004 - 00:21
oh i think i understand now. the selfish is selfish because its putting other peope in tthe firing line. if theres no firing line the selfishness isnt there so much, or at least the suffering isn&#39;t. when kids with gay parents can accepted the same as any other kid. then is the right time

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Make up your mind, either be good with expresing yourself in English or not.

It&#39;s cool either way, but just try to be consistent, it&#39;s more fun that way.

The following is not really consistent with someone who finds English difficult.

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its just not the same. your examples are oppressed people that decided they want freedom irrespective of the consequences and accepted they may suffer.

i&#39;m talking about people who want to do something irrespective of how they will make someone else suffer.

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Like I said, one way or the other old bean.

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to me they say the same thing :(

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Is that really the best you can do.

You disappoint me. [/b][/quote]
first quote means its not fair for gay parents to have kids when they will suffer

second quote says its not fair to do something that makes someone else suffer.



ok, not exactly the same but not contradictory

The contradiction is the style, not the content. I think that is self-evident.

ttfn.

so what if i dont break out the thesaurus every post. <_<

Ok micro lets see if we can get a yes or no answer to see just where you really stand.

Gay people because of their sexual habits don&#39;t have children and so your arguement for banning gay marriage is a completely different issue to gay marriage itself.
So the question is in 2 parts.

Should gays be given the right to marry ?

Yes or no

but not the right to adopt ?

Yes or no

I am skipping the examples where gay people have children from hetrosexual relationships to spare you any confusion as that will be a whole new debate and one which even with a vote you will never be able to change.

You guys were touting this thread (last page) as "idealistic crap".

In truth, it does not quite rise to that level.

Please keep trying-

Sincerely,

j2

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Should gays be given the right to marry ?

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yes

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but not the right to adopt ?

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not yet

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Originally posted by j2k4@5 August 2004 - 18:09
You guys were touting this thread (last page) as "idealistic crap".

In truth, it does not quite rise to that level.

Please keep trying-

Sincerely,

j2

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HUH ?