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Originally Posted by maebach

yea, I can't stand James Bond. Highly doubt a Brit can do that :dry:

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I like James Bond.

My favorite was Roger Moore though. Alot of other I know liked Sean Connery the best.

It's kinda messed up that Pierce Brosnan doesn't want to do it anymore. Wtf else does he have to do?

I would like to have seen Clive Owen but alas they seem to have someone else in mind.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

It ain't the first time I heard similar "patriotic" stuff about American movies or the fact that "their" country wasn't in it or how everyone has an American accent.

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It wouldn't be if it's common, now would it?

'sides, I don't have a problem with my country not being in the movie :blink:
What I am saying is that the writer only put people from the rest of the world in there to show how it was saved by America, there really wasn't another reason for it.

All of those people just sat there when the phone rang and the americans had solved it.

It's obvious and fairly pointless.

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It's weird that American don't have the same issues with foreign films.

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Like cheebus said, a lot of movies and tv-series are remade into american versions.

It's like "coupling", the original version was already in English, but the accents were wrong or something, so there had to be an american version.


I think, but this is just a personal opinion, that Americans seem to have a lot of trouble with foreign movies.

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WhyTF isn't James Bond American? Why is that Brit the one always saving the world?

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What has that have to do with whether stealth, or ID4 are what they are or not?

And he usually works with people from all over, so he usually has help from a couple of other nationalities, and he's just one bloke doing it, it's not really exclusively about Britain or anything.

I daresay Bond-movies, even the old ones are a lot less patriotic/egocentric than ID4, for one thing there's not really any silly speeches about the greatness of britain :blink:

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of course it has patriotism..it's a movie involving the military and the President ffs. :lol: :lol:

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Yes, so it is patriotic :blink:

The point was that it's patriotic in such a way that it's stupid. Stupid american ego movie, and etc.

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Now go watch
Patriot Games
Clear and Present Danger
Full Metal Jacket
Air Force One

or even Starship Troopers.... :lol: :lol:

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Why? :blink:

Think I've seen them all, and while some kinda' suck, I don't really see what you are trying to accomplish with that suggestion.



EDit:

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We just look at it as the Marines in the future and not "the US is the best and PWNS!!111OMG lOL!11!".

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Didn't see them waving any flags or hold any speeches about how great america is.

Heck, I don't think they are supposed to be american :unsure:

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Originally Posted by maebach

yea, I can't stand James Bond. Highly doubt a Brit can do that :dry:

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It's not supposed to be based on a true story, you idiot.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

It wouldn't be if it's common, now would it?

'sides, I don't have a problem with my country not being in the movie :blink:
What I am saying is that the writer only put people from the rest of the world in there to show how it was saved by America, there really wasn't another reason for it.

All of those people just sat there when the phone rang and the americans had solved it.

It's obvious and fairly pointless.

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I barely even remember seeing another country except when everyone's landmarks were getting blown to shit.

Other than that after a crop duster destroyed a ship I think they showed ships going down all over the world.

The writer put the rest of the world in there 'cause the aliens were fighting the whole planet and to show landmarks. I can recall a nice backdrop of a downed ship in the desert for instance. You got it so twisted that you only see "Oh yeah, so America came up with teh solution :dry: ".

The movie takes place in America. It would be weird to have them just get a call from Japan telling them the solution. You gotta have them go through adversity and have the suicidal pilot figure it out. :lol: :lol: If it was based it France I would want the same thing since it takes place there.

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It's weird that Americans don't have the same issues with foreign films.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Like cheebus said, a lot of movies and tv-series are remade into american versions.

It's like "coupling", the original version was already in English, but the accents were wrong or something, so there had to be an american version.

I think, but this is just a personal opinion, that Americans seem to have a lot of trouble with foreign movies.

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I've said that as well. With also said (like with Weebl) it's a cultural thing. White Americans are the most identifiable and make up most of our population. British accents are not easy to understand sometimes and subtitles tend to take away from an overall "wow" experience. Don't get me wrong. I've seen good movies with subtitles (like the Returner) but would I have preferred it in English (not dubbed)? Absolutely. Besides that, the Returner wasn't THAT good anyway. I've seen many more American sci-fi movies that trounce it.

Regarding the Coupling, Hollywood gets it wrong too. I mean the show, when brought here, might have done shit ratings, British or not. I've never cared to watch it personally.

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WhyTF isn't James Bond American? Why is that Brit the one always saving the world?

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Originally Posted by SnnY

What has that have to do with whether stealth, or ID4 are what they are or not?

And he usually works with people from all over, so he usually has help from a couple of other nationalities, and he's just one bloke doing it, it's not really exclusively about Britain or anything.

I daresay Bond-movies, even the old ones are a lot less patriotic/egocentric than ID4, for one thing there's not really any silly speeches about the greatness of britain :blink:

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My mention of JB was bullshitting. However, movies cited you and others are usually involving military troops or an attack of one's country.

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of course it has patriotism..it's a movie involving the military and the President ffs. :lol:

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Yes, so it is patriotic :blink:

The point was that it's patriotic in such a way that it's stupid. Stupid american ego movie, and etc.

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Riiight. As I said the President shouldn't say shit to his troops. :huh:

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Now go watch
Patriot Games
Clear and Present Danger
Full Metal Jacket
Air Force One

or even Starship Troopers.... :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Why? :blink:

Think I've seen them all, and while some kinda' suck, I don't really see what you are trying to accomplish with that suggestion.

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Fun with Patriotism

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We just look at it as the Marines in the future and not "the US is the best and PWNS!!111OMG lOL!11!".

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Didn't see them waving any flags or hold any speeches about how great america is.

Heck, I don't think they are supposed to be american :unsure:

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Maybe not. I thought the black sarge said "United States Marine Corps" and made a little speech about it being great to be in it. Maybe I got it wrong.

I remember a thread where someone mentioned the American flag falling down in Jurassic Park when the T-Rex roars near the end. They had something to say about America in that too. Jeez.

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Originally Posted by maebach

yea, I can't stand James Bond. Highly doubt a Brit can do that :dry:

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It's not supposed to be based on a true story, you idiot.

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....and why can't a Brit do it anyway. :blink:

Do Brits have some type of bone marrow problem?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

It ain't the first time I heard similar "patriotic" stuff about American movies or the fact that "their" country wasn't in it or how everyone has an American accent.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I remember a thread where someone mentioned ... .

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Stop arguing with other people in different threads, it makes you sound mental :angry: :lol:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I barely even remember seeing another country except when everyone's landmarks were getting blown to shit.

Other than that after a crop duster destroyed a ship I think they showed ships going down all over the world.

The writer put the rest of the world in there 'cause the aliens were fighting the whole planet and to show landmarks. I can recall a nice backdrop of a downed ship in the desert for instance. You got it so twisted that you only see "Oh yeah, so America came up with teh solution :dry: ".

The movie takes place in America. It would be weird to have them just get a call from Japan telling them the solution. You gotta have them go through adversity and have the suicidal pilot figure it out. :lol: :lol: If it was based it France I would want the same thing since it takes place there.

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The only bits in the movie that featured actual people from other nations that did something, were the ones were they got the call, the whole thing gave the impression that everyone was helpless until america came and saved the day.
If it had been more than an excuse to show how america saved the world there would probably have been a few scenes showing what happened to people in the rest of the world, not just scenes of pyramids and whatnot being contrasted against spaceships for effect.

Like I said, it was pretty damned obvious those scenes were only there to show how america saved the world. And, yeah then you had a couple of downed saucers showing that the solution worked, but all in all it was a pretty pointless exercise, except for showing how america saved the world".

As for the speech, as far as I know it's entirely possible to rally the troops without spending a couple minutes talking about how great the yare as americans or something..

But then again, maybe it's impossible for americans to act without listening to some junk about how great their nation is for like five minutes first. I really wouldn't know about that.

EDit: actually, WRT the speech, I must have been thinking about some other part of the movie, or maybe another movie, 'cos the bit where he's trying to inspire the pilots is more cheesy than patriotic, or at least the part of the speech I can find online :blushing:

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I've said that as well. With also said (like with Weebl) it's a cultural thing. White Americans are the most identifiable and make up most of our population. British accents are not easy to understand sometimes and subtitles tend to take away from an overall "wow" experience. Don't get me wrong.

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How come large parts of the world can handle subtitles just fine?

I've never found them distracting, and the general consensus here, for adults anyway, is that movies in other languages should be subtitled rather than dubbed or remade.

In fact, a lot of people, me included, would prolly laugh their asses off if some muppet would do a remake of the ring in our language.

Remaking a movie to fit your culture or language is more than just a little bit pointless as you take away part of what makes it unique.


EDit: And it's pretty amazing how british accents can be hard to understand for people who live in a nation with more accents altogether than the whole of britain (I think :unsure: ).

If you can grasp texan, brooklyn accents and bostonian (or whatever it's called) the accents in coupling for instance should be a snap.

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Maybe not. I thought the black sarge said "United States Marine Corps" and made a little speech about it being great to be in it. Maybe I got it wrong.

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I don't think they are american, I think they are supposed to be troops for some future nation or possibly corporation. Weyland-Yulani, or is that in a later movie?

At any rate Alien is definietly not made in the same, stupidly patriotic, vein as ID4.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

The only bits in the movie that featured actual people from other nations that did something, were the ones were they got the call, the whole thing gave the impression that everyone was helpless until america came and saved the day.
If it had been more than an excuse to show how america saved the world there would probably have been a few scenes showing what happened to people in the rest of the world, not just scenes of pyramids and whatnot being contrasted against spaceships for effect.

Like I said, it was pretty damned obvious those scenes were only there to show how america saved the world. And, yeah then you had a couple of downed saucers showing that the solution worked, but all in all it was a pretty pointless exercise, except for showing how america saved the world".

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That's how you see it 'cause you have an inferiority complex. Many of us saw it and just saw it the desert as a backdrop. This is further pointed out as they rather exotic or recognizable locales...even the one's in America. :dry:

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Originally Posted by SnnY

As for the speech, as far as I know it's entirely possible to rally the troops without spending a couple minutes talking about how great the are as americans or something..

But then again, maybe it's impossible for americans to act without listening to some junk about how great their nation is for like five minutes first. I really wouldn't know about that.

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Americans in the military tend to hear that or the average joe might here it after a terrorist attack. Maybe the higher ups could trim down the rallying cry a bit. :mellow:

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I've said that as well. With also said (like with Weebl) it's a cultural thing. White Americans are the most identifiable and make up most of our population. British accents are not easy to understand sometimes and subtitles tend to take away from an overall "wow" experience. Don't get me wrong.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

How come large parts of the world can handle subtitles just fine?

I've never found them distracting, and the general consensus here, for adults anyway, is that movies in other languages should be subtitled rather than dubbed or remade.

In fact, a lot of people, me included, would prolly laugh their asses off if some muppet would do a remake of the ring in our language.

Remaking a movie to fit your culture or language is more than just a little bit pointless as you take away part of what makes it unique.

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It's not a matter of handling it. To add to that...we don't have to handle it.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

EDit: And it's pretty amazing how british accents can be hard to understand for people who live in a nation with more accents altogether than the whole of britain (I think :unsure: ).

If you can grasp texan, brooklyn accents and bostonian (or whatever it's called) the accents in coupling for instance should be a snap.

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Some of them are hard to understand too. :angry:
Bostonian - "Get in da cah."

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Maybe not. I thought the black sarge said "United States Marine Corps" and made a little speech about it being great to be in it. Maybe I got it wrong.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

I don't think they are american, I think they are supposed to be troops for some future nation or possibly corporation. Weyland-Yulani, or is that in a later movie?

At any rate Alien is definietly not made in the same, stupidly patriotic, vein as ID4.

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They are the Marine Corps. Nuff said.

1. I don't have an inferiority complex. I haven't said they were saying or not saying anything about me personally, I was saying it was crappy writing.

I can't have an inferiority complex just because I'm saying a movie was stupid :huh:

It was just made in such a way that the rest of the world was used to show how great the heroes'/america's achievement look better, they didn't just save america, they saved everyone else.

Who otherwise didn't have a place in the plot.

Feck, it didn't hurt me none, it was just pointless as writing scenes go.

I never took it personally or anything, I just thought it was daft.

2. WRT the speech, I just edited in this:

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EDit: actually, WRT the speech, I must have been thinking about some other part of the movie, or maybe another movie, 'cos the bit where he's trying to inspire the pilots is more cheesy than patriotic, or at least the part of the speech I can find online :blushing:

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I dunno' if that was another part of the movie or something, I've been surfing around and people (americans even) seem to think there was a patriotic speech in there, but I can't find it now.


3. Btw, you aren't saying bostonians should be subtitled too are you? :unsure:

I can't help thinking people in the US would have a better ear for accents out of necessity as they have a lot of them, I'm a bit surprised by what you say, truth be told. (No criticism intended there.)


4. I'm pretty sure a lot of nations have troops based on naval vessels or whatever distinguishes marines from the regular infantry. Up until now I never really thought about Marines as uniquely american (what the word means, not the word in itself).


EDit: 5. "Handle" as in not having a problem with them. It really isn't an effort.

well unlike u guys, i have a life, and i don't spend 8 hours a day arguing in some forum about some stupid americanized movie...the point is...even tho the movie portray america in such a colorful, and dominating, might i add, way, the pilots in the movie showed good morals when they were ordered to destroy the nuclear warheads by disobeying a direct order from their commander. When the AI steal plane went out of control, they want to destroy it to protect mankind. It's all good storyingline, however, the other side of the movie showed just how patronizing americans can be, how powerful they are and struting around the world making fallacious claims that they are protecting world peace when in fact they are really not.

so fuck off when u americans see somebody making the alleged "racists" claims about american, there's always some truth in those claims. And you are just too american to see it.