No Community Reps Means You Can Trade Everything!

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Originally Posted by pawned

and can you please name a few sites which allow account and invite trading lest see how many they are and how many threads are there for those sites.....

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i realize that u are asking D but since i know couple, i don't want to miss my change to buffer my post :lol:

-Elektronik allows for sure...confirmed by their staff at FST
-TR has trading forum and i have seen TR invites been offered in their own forum
- not 100% sure but i think CO and KG don't mind invite trading?
- ncore maybe?

The problem really comes down to money in the end. We all know that for a forum to be profitable it needs as much traffic as possible. It is inevitable that if FST was the ban all trading some of the members would leave, and it's easy to say good riddance for us that don't need invites to anywhere, but for the new members it is a different scenario. Fact is that some of the people that trade do also give, even to new users.

So banning all trading, which I think is the right thing to do, isn't an option for the owners of the forum. A move like that from their side, would not only make the traders leave, but also FST might lose the status of being the place to find invites, traded or not. So looking at it from a business point of view it's a step in the wrong direction.

Now if let's say they did do this:

Would tracker staff go easier on members doing public giveaways here? Most likely some would, but most probably wouldn't.

Would FST still be the place to get invites? Maybe, but they would get fiercer competition.

If you owned this forum, would you ban trading altogether?

Would the n00bs still come here and wait a month to get access to the invite section?

P.S. maybe this went a bit off topic but it is still in range.

Oh and just for the record. I am highly against trading. Just looking at facts and reasons.

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Originally Posted by Blue_Skies

The problem really comes down to money in the end. We all know that for a forum to be profitable it needs as much traffic as possible. It is inevitable that if FST was the ban all trading some of the members would leave, and it's easy to say good riddance for us that don't need invites to anywhere, but for the new members it is a different scenario. Fact is that some of the people that trade do also give, even to new users.

So banning all trading, which I think is the right thing to do, isn't an option for the owners of the forum. A move like that from their side, would not only make the traders leave, but also FST might lose the status of being the place to find invites, traded or not. So looking at it from a business point of view it's a step in the wrong direction.

Now if let's say they did do this:

Would tracker staff go easier on members doing public giveaways here? Most likely some would, but most probably wouldn't.

Would FST still be the place to get invites? Maybe, but they would get fiercer competition.

If you owned this forum, would you ban trading altogether?

Would the n00bs still come here and wait a month to get access to the invite section?

P.S. maybe this went a bit off topic but it is still in range.

Oh and just for the record. I am highly against trading. Just looking at facts and reasons.

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i do agree that this is not only a moral dilemna to allow or forbid trading, the impact it has on the popularity of this board is a variable to include in this complex equation

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Originally Posted by KFlint

reopened at general request

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its because i didn't get to spam it ...thats why wasn't it :P


To throw down my opinion....and a little fact:

Trade all you want people, its your account you can trade if you want.

However don't go crying when you get banned from sites for it.


And trust me, if you think your ip isnt easy to find...know that staff here at FST are friends with staff on sites...and if sites request for an ip of a user...they will get it.

I have gotten plenty of ips for users here trading high level sites...and I know plenty of staff on sites get them too.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend...:lol:

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i do agree that this is not only a moral dilemna to allow or forbid trading, the impact it has on the popularity of this board is a variable to include in this complex equation

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I have always understood the underlying popularity of the invites section and the need for it to be apart of this forum. In the end although it maybe tiresome seeing the same points of view time and again, one of the great things about this forum is the exchange of views, and anyway even you Kflint have to admit sometimes even the flaming is hilarious:naughty:

The important thing I think is that people make an informed choice about whether to trade or not, and I think it would help if those against trading were more responsive and helpful to newer members here (which we once all were), to show that there are other choices.

It is after all up to the members here to make of this forum what they will, so it is a given that the invite section is a vital part of this community, it is just how this section is conducted which is more the question.

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Originally Posted by Blue_Skies

The problem really comes down to money in the end. We all know that for a forum to be profitable it needs as much traffic as possible. It is inevitable that if FST was the ban all trading some of the members would leave, and it's easy to say good riddance for us that don't need invites to anywhere, but for the new members it is a different scenario. Fact is that some of the people that trade do also give, even to new users.

So banning all trading, which I think is the right thing to do, isn't an option for the owners of the forum. A move like that from their side, would not only make the traders leave, but also FST might lose the status of being the place to find invites, traded or not. So looking at it from a business point of view it's a step in the wrong direction.

Now if let's say they did do this:

Would tracker staff go easier on members doing public giveaways here? Most likely some would, but most probably wouldn't.

Would FST still be the place to get invites? Maybe, but they would get fiercer competition.

If you owned this forum, would you ban trading altogether?

Would the n00bs still come here and wait a month to get access to the invite section?

P.S. maybe this went a bit off topic but it is still in range.

Oh and just for the record. I am highly against trading. Just looking at facts and reasons.

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Very well put Blue_Skies, probably one of the most accurate summaries of the situation I've seen. I share your pov regarding trading and would like to see it disallowed, but I'm also realistic and understand it won't happen in the near future due to the reasons you've mentioned (although there's no harm in trying to push to that direction ;))

Bye the way, the answer to the two questions you've presented are that I would like to think that I would've built it differently to begin with, and probably not.

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Originally Posted by fatcat69

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Originally Posted by KFlint

reopened at general request

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its because i didn't get to spam it ...thats why wasn't it :P


To throw down my opinion....and a little fact:

Trade all you want people, its your account you can trade if you want.

However don't go crying when you get banned from sites for it.


And trust me, if you think your ip isnt easy to find...know that staff here at FST are friends with staff on sites...and if sites request for an ip of a user...they will get it.

I have gotten plenty of ips for users here trading high level sites...and I know plenty of staff on sites get them too.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend...:lol:

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Sorry but i have to reply to this.

I have never got an IP from a staff member for a member i wanted to know more about on here.

Mind you i have never asked lol

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Originally Posted by Artemis

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i do agree that this is not only a moral dilemna to allow or forbid trading, the impact it has on the popularity of this board is a variable to include in this complex equation

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I have always understood the underlying popularity of the invites section and the need for it to be apart of this forum. In the end although it maybe tiresome seeing the same points of view time and again, one of the great things about this forum is the exchange of views, and anyway even you Kflint have to admit sometimes even the flaming is hilarious:naughty:

The important thing I think is that people make an informed choice about whether to trade or not, and I think it would help if those against trading were more responsive and helpful to newer members here (which we once all were), to show that there are other choices.

It is after all up to the members here to make of this forum what they will, so it is a given that the invite section is a vital part of this community, it is just how this section is conducted which is more the question.

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See if I was serious in my post above, I would have gone with something along these lines.


I do agree that maybe a adequte precaution for the invite section would be to inform users that most trackers are against trading and will ban members for doing so.

Maybe a quick FAQ can be made to inform users of the pro's and cons of trading or not trading invites/accounts. Also it will include maybe a public poll or two showing how trading impacts your relationship with a tracker and its members, as well as informing new members that if you are caught trading an account at one site, most likely your ip/email address/username will be sent to other popular site ops in order to prevent any further trading by you from occurring.

Also, scammers should be weeded out thoroughly, as I have noticed they have popped up really fast lately. I have seen a few invites go up on the trading block that well, are impossible, as the sites don't have invites at this time. A zero tolerance policy towards this conduct is what I would highly recommend.

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Originally Posted by stoi

I have never got an IP from a staff member for a member i wanted to know more about on here.
Mind you i have never asked lol

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Stoi if ya need one, ill hook ya up bro. ;)

I know people who know people that know people who could do to some people what the other people know they want these people to have done upon them what the people know who know the people that want it done upon those people.

:lol:

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Originally Posted by fatcat69

And trust me, if you think your ip isnt easy to find...know that staff here at FST are friends with staff on sites...and if sites request for an ip of a user...they will get it.

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We would never pass traders infos to trackers, that's a non sense. I mean, we allow trading, why we would we do such thing?

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Originally Posted by KFlint

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Originally Posted by fatcat69

And trust me, if you think your ip isnt easy to find...know that staff here at FST are friends with staff on sites...and if sites request for an ip of a user...they will get it.

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as far as i know

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Key words mate ;)
Its not what you know...its who you know

In this day and age you can get a hold of everything from anyone...it just has a price.

And the price is always right from the fat cat ;-)

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