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Awwww. Your version makes me feel(ing) all warm inside.
Feeling took the money KNOWING that it was for improvements to the site. Nobody meant for it to go to him, personally, as a gift. :dry:
He stole the money just the same as if he had taken money for any job, or charity anywhere else and NOT done with it what it was given for.
On top of that, the site had long been a for-profit abomination on the community. Again, treating thesiteblight with reverence is disgusting.
Nobody intended for the money to be for the site, anyway. And if you think that that's how the bittorrent world works, then you're in for a harsh reality. There's a reason all the 1337 sites are the ones not struggling with donations; there's a reason sites like SCC/ScT never have to ask once for money to stay alive, there's a reason that a donation drive at FSC makes for enough funds for a full year. It isn't because people love the website so much that they want to donate. It's that they want something out of their donation (the same goes for repeat donors on other sites), or are already getting something for which they feel the place deserves compensation/gifting. The ScT donation drive was for double donation bonusses - so surprise (!) any extra money that was donated, wasn't given with the health of the website at its intention's core, but the fact that people wanted some GB's or some extra invites to trade away in private circle jerks. And again again again again; paypal would have returned the money to anyone who wanted it. It's how insurance works, it's how paypal works, it's how the world works ffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Feeling stole, if any money, just as much money as OiNK, TorrentLeech, What.CD, and the list could go on and on and on. Successful torrent sites rake in money by the thousands. You surely don't believe that all that money is stored safely for if a day comes when the website has 0 donations? Even pathetic websites like PTP gain enough money to have a profit margin. And yet, people are fine knowing that their donation makes for the possibility that their beloved staffers would get a new laptop (PTN) or a ring for Michelle (sct joke...). He stole no more money, than he was already morally accountable for by the solemn agreement of the member base's entirety. And, I repeat, the extra money could have been taken back. He "took" nothing more than what people had given up, and if at that, there is some serious doubt whether he was forced to take it (as in checks on account activity) or he did so intentionally. Any (and most) stories are fabrications (thanks to people like SpX).
The fact that you disagree with the decisions is fine, but don't attempt to pass off an opinion as fact, please. I mentioned it in my previous post: You can't defend something, yet attack the opposition by the same measure they offended you in the first place. You hate ScT, we get it, but let's not compartmentalize your judgment based on other opinions towards the sites in question. You either think people are wrong for attacking a place and its member base (in this thread, towards FST) with little to no information, or you think the exact opposite and are willing to admit that some places are empirically shit, regardless of what information is available (as is your opinion towards ScT). By using your fragmented logic, I assure you, I can make even murder sound moral.
Let's guess which Staff memeber from ScT that is :P
Yet YOU are the one attempting to make feeling's theft of thousands seem like it was acceptable. People had expectations that the site was not only going to be around, that it was also going to get new servers (or whatever was promised regarding improvements).Quote:
By using your fragmented logic, I assure you, I can make even murder sound moral.
And don't try to name-drop several respectable sites that put monies collected into things promised. It's not the same. I personally donated towards the PTN laptop. Every penny went towards what it was for, and why it was needed was stated. I'm the one who suggested the particular model, and store where it was purchased.
Your attempt to connect FSC into this is pathetic- they are nothing alike, and do not even REMOTELY operate on the same system. The difference, monies go where they are said to go. Not home with some scumbag.
Regardless of all of your desires to sway me (others), the name ScT is trash, and should be regarded as such- not seen as something that should be a model for rebuilding.
Because you obviously directed your attention to the important part of my post. You dodged the entire argument, and decided to nitpick at the insignificant drivel I had in there as examples. I name dropped all those sites with the highest form of respect, and I dare you to find any negative connotation or insinuatation from my part towards any of those sites in my post. I won't play into this game and get off-topic, though. If you want to retort and discuss why you have an opinion, consolidated it into facts in your mind, then based subsequent opinions off of it leading to your final conclusions, I'm all ears.
For the record:
1) It isn't theft if people can take back what is rightfully theirs'. It's like saying people didn't collect their money after paying for a discontinued product, so the manufacturers stole the money. The premise is retarded.
2) No matter how many times you call ScT trash, it will only serve as nothing more than an insult, and far less than an adjective. Ironically, the same concept that you tried to nitpick with me within your last post.
So... huh... what was the name of that site again? :unsure:
No, you were insinuating that ScT was not bad- "just like [name drops]". There IS a difference among torrent sites. Some are driven towards profit, others have (far) more admirable ways of operating. Just because a site exists in this community does not make it "dirty". ScT was the worst for its profiting motives, and also its owner's willingness to steal what was given to him for specific purposes. If he were at all respectable, he would have contacted paypal and requested the last month's revenues be returned. It would have taken minutes. He chose to keep money earmarked for improvements/purchased that never occurred. That makes him a thief.
If everything is on the up-and-up, as you seem to be saying, where the fuck is feeling now? He ran...with the money.
Pretty sure you're thinking of iFeelit, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Correct, I was insinuating ScT was not bad, as has been my stance since I joined FST, and was my reason for being active here, as well. I can explain that one better if you so desire. Any difference in opinion here is chalked up to just that... opinion and perspective. From where I'm at, and from where about the majority of 20,000 people stood, it was a great website that we all enjoyed. From where you're at, it was an asinine website that served as a hive of thieves. Not everyone will like everything, and that's acceptable. However, no one tried to force the fact that you should love ScT as a lot of people did, so I see no reason why you should try to proliferate your disdain for the place, especially when you're basing your story on incomplete portions of the story (and if you'll try to turn this line on me, then recall the fact that I'm for one, defending the place, since it's not getting the same from anyone else; and for another, I've only advocated a neutral stance in this entire argument, thus far).Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
And again, I repeat. Sometimes the entire picture isn't available to people. Feeling may have had his own reasons for not wanting to go near the paypal account, or to shut down the website. If anything, people should already have this notion of "understanding"; you know, with it being ingrained into our heads since we're little kids. Then when we're a little bit older, we're shocked that we won't always know the "why" of certain situations. All you do know is that there were donations, and a website shutting down involved. There's absolutely zero reason to assume the worst in people based on just that.
As for your last line: Feeling is still in 3 different IRCd's and chats to other people regularly. Not only that, but he's still in contact with all the old staffers. So unless you're about to accuse a whole team of people (staffers and their uploaders/helpers) of coordinating a mass scam, and then not even disappearing for so much as a day (after their so called theft) I'd suggest you take a step back and rethink your argument.
A last point I'd like to make is, after you type up your reply, re-read this post of mine. If it's countered by something I've already written here, then excuse me, but I won't parrot what I've been saying yet again.
Are you saying you cannot figure out that he had an account with thousands of dollars in it, and he decided to take the money and run from the community that trusted him? If his actions were respectable, he could show his (online) face to more than 4 people in IRC. There's no shame in a site closing; there's a ton of shame in doing things the way feeling did.Quote:
Feeling may have had his own reasons for not wanting to go near the paypal account, or to shut down the website.
Here's a thought...
How about someone start a site devoted to being as far from being like ScT as possible- one with an owner who won't steal thousands of dollars, and a site not based on raking in as much cash as possible. That would be FAR more acceptable than, "the next ScT".
What?! You're saying two out of three .uk ScT Admins DIDN'T get raided?! :O:O:O