Hoi Art

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Originally Posted by Squeamous

Whether you like it or not, naming rights go to the discoverer, or at the very least people who had something to do with the discovery.

I went through my whole education without ever hearing an academic say 'aluminum' so as far as I'm concerned it's just a quirk and an Americanism. I always thought you guise said it that way because you found it hard to pronounce in your silly accents. Well, I've learned something here today: I overestimated you.

It doesn't really irritate me though, what irritates me is the fact Americans don't seem to be able to pronounce the 'H' in 'herb'. This has grammatical consequences because if I read a book written by an American they will prefix the word as if it begins with a vowel as in 'an herb' instead of 'a herb'. So not only is the word mispronounced, but even when I read it it fucks up the whole flow of the sentence. I think that's a much worse crime.

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But that name wasn't established by its "discoverer", just by its first isolator/purifier. Others were attempting this before him but they knew what they were seeking. I've only heard or seen aluminium a couple of times, but then again maybe I have had a more thorough 'education' experience than you :sly:

As far as herb's pronunciation goes, I have a theory why we've dropped the beginning aspiration for the plant material. I'm making it up on the spot but I imagine it's so that there is a differentiation in sound between the object and a person by that nickname (of Herbert). I only say that because I once said to a Herb, "hey Urb, what kind of herbs do you like?

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

But that name wasn't established by its "discoverer", just by its first isolator/purifier. Others were attempting this before him but they knew what they were seeking. I've only heard or seen aluminium a couple of times, but then again maybe I have had a more thorough 'education' experience than you :sly:

As far as herb's pronunciation goes, I have a theory why we've dropped the beginning aspiration for the plant material. I'm making it up on the spot but I imagine it's so that there is a differentiation in sound between the object and a person by that nickname (of Herbert). I only say that because I once said to a Herb, "hey Urb, what kind of herbs do you like?

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I don't think it's about the thoroughness of either educations, I was addressing your point that you think in academia 'aluminium' is considered backward. The difference is simply location. You work in the US, I work in Europe. Americans are the only academics I hear at conderences and seminars who say 'aluminum', and because my education was English it never cropped up at all during my student years.
Fact remains the European spelling has intellectual precedent, and that's why it's stuck over here.

Your herb hypothesis may have validity...except it's probably the other way around if anything. The plant stuff is always referred to as 'erb' and it makes me want to make a bark rubbing out of the facial blood of the hippy saying it.

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Originally Posted by Squeamous

I don't think it's about the thoroughness of either educations, I was addressing your point that you think in academia 'aluminium' is considered backward. The difference is simply location. You work in the US, I work in Europe. Americans are the only academics I hear at conderences and seminars who say 'aluminum', and because my education was English it never cropped up at all during my student years.
Fact remains the European spelling has intellectual precedent, and that's why it's stuck over here.

Your herb hypothesis may have validity...except it's probably the other way around if anything. The plant stuff is always referred to as 'erb' and it makes me want to make a bark rubbing out of the facial blood of the hippy saying it.

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I don't actually think aluminium is backwards, it's just Mary being Mary. The comment about aluminum exposure though is another matter. You will find it your journals as well, http://pubs.rsc.org/en/results?searchtext=aluminum

About the herb thing. It is the other way around, I do it "backwards" on purpose. The name is pronounced with the aspiration, so I say it without. Vice versa for plant cuisine.

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

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Originally Posted by Squeamous

I don't think it's about the thoroughness of either educations, I was addressing your point that you think in academia 'aluminium' is considered backward. The difference is simply location. You work in the US, I work in Europe. Americans are the only academics I hear at conderences and seminars who say 'aluminum', and because my education was English it never cropped up at all during my student years.
Fact remains the European spelling has intellectual precedent, and that's why it's stuck over here.

Your herb hypothesis may have validity...except it's probably the other way around if anything. The plant stuff is always referred to as 'erb' and it makes me want to make a bark rubbing out of the facial blood of the hippy saying it.

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I don't actually think aluminium is backwards, it's just Mary being Mary. The comment about aluminum exposure though is another matter. You will find it your journals as well, http://pubs.rsc.org/en/results?searchtext=aluminum

About the herb thing. It is the other way around, I do it "backwards" on purpose. The name is pronounced with the aspiration, so I say it without. Vice versa for plant cuisine.

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You're a renegade. You're how I imagine the members of Rage Against the Machine are going to be when they're a stone heavier and ten years older.

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Originally Posted by Squeamous

You're a renegade. You're how I imagine the members of Rage Against the Machine are going to be when they're a stone heavier and ten years older.

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So weird. One of my childhood friends had insisted there was someone on the cover of a RATM album that looked exactly like me when I was younger. Unfortunately, that album cover was Evil Empire :emo:

One of my absolute favorite bands by the way.

Apparently we're all leftist.
Except a few people who only post in The Drawing Room who I'm guessing think Lawrence Welk is a subversive tool of the liberal media.


I also like Rise Against because it plays into my need to commit wanton violence against faceless establishment thingies.

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

So weird. One of my childhood friends had insisted there was someone on the cover of a RATM album that looked exactly like me when I was younger. Unfortunately, that album cover was Evil Empire :emo:

One of my absolute favorite bands by the way.

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Yeah.....the evil glare maybe.
They came and played a private gig at the Occupy site at St Paul's for the protesters, so I thought they were pretty cool after that. And I think they played a free gig in England after one of their songs got to number one at Xmas due to a campaign to keep an X-Factor clone off the top spot. My only complaint is that shitheads go mental in rock clubs whenever Killing in the Name comes on and I have to run away from the dance floor like Olive out of Popeye, arms flailing and wailing unbecomingly.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Apparently we're all leftist.
Except a few people who only post in The Drawing Room who I'm guessing think Lawrence Welk is a subversive tool of the liberal media.


I also like Rise Against because it plays into my need to commit wanton violence against faceless establishment thingies.

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Originally Posted by Squeamous

My only complaint is that shitheads go mental in rock clubs whenever Killing in the Name comes on and I have to run away from the dance floor like Olive out of Popeye, arms flailing and wailing unbecomingly.

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Do they mosh? I remember once when I moshed, I was there with a girl who started crying afterwards because she thinks I'm much more of a violent person than I let on to be. I remember thinking that was absurd since I'm clearly all bark.

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

Do they mosh? I remember once when I moshed, I was there with a girl who started crying afterwards because she thinks I'm much more of a violent person than I let on to be. I remember thinking that was absurd since I'm clearly all bark.

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Well everybody moshes, but these douches always have to mental, like the more mental they go the more they really mean it.
In general I find people in rock clubs are usually the gentlest, most passive people you could wish to meet. Moshing is just a massive outpouring of energy isn't it? Nothing to do with violence. Your friend is/was a pussy.

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Originally Posted by Squeamous

Moshing is just a massive outpouring of energy isn't it? Nothing to do with violence. Your friend is/was a pussy.

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I tried to explain to her that was the reason I was throwing people and that it wasn't much different than high school hijinks :smilie4:

Nowadays, I'd prefer to see a band while I sit in an uncrowded area at a table with good beer at my disposal and no one telling me that I can't smoke. Unfortunately, the bands playing my setting tend to suck. Really, I mean suck. There was one several months ago where I couldn't tell if they were a band or a comedy act.