London tubes

This is very unfortunate :(


However, It could've been worse. Biological, chemical, or even Nuclear materials could've been involved.

37 Dead and over 400 wounded are the last figures I've heard. Many people are blaming this on the US and it really gets to me :(

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If you are not of the Muslim faith, you have no right to breath Allah's air-that is the pure fact of their belief.

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you've got to be kidding me. this happened because of iraq.. first spain, now england.

To be fair....

There are no amount of concessions that can be given to these people that will satisfy them.

Their creed now is to destroy America. Plain and simple.

To also believe that their tactics will end there is ridiculous.

To believe this is just because of Iraq is also ridiculous.

What was 9/11 for?
If there was no 9/11, does one think that was the end of it?
Or because the Iraqi war simply exists, then that is the reason for all terrorist attacks?

Regardless of what Bush says, I do not believe there was an Al Qaeda cell in Iraq. I believe they are drawn there (and gained recruits there) due to us simply being there.

It's like some person that you always dreamed about fucking up but lived far, far away and then he visits your neighbor one day.

9/11 was for various reasons. america funding isreal for example.


i reckon the reason we were attacked is not for being british but for being allies of america.



does anyone seriously believe a human being will drop their life and use their savings to go to a training camp in the middle east and then go to a western country and sneak through security and drop a package or even blow themselves up, just because they don't like the idea of casual sex and alcoholism... often from another fucking country that embraces their ideals?

it's not for allah. it's not for fun. it's in the hope of getting their people and their children a better life.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

9/11 was for various reasons. america funding isreal for example.


i reckon the reason we were attacked is not for being british but for being allies of america.



does anyone seriously believe a human being will drop their life and use their savings to go to a training camp in the middle east and then go to a western country and sneak through security and drop a package or even blow themselves up, just because they don't like the idea of casual sex and alcoholism... often from another fucking country that embraces their ideals?

it's not for allah. it's not for fun. it's in the hope of getting their people and their children a better life.

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Yes...it happens all the time dave.

Peace bd

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religion is a tool and you know it.

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It isn't for the vast majority of peaceful Muslims. Who you don't hear about because they just get on with their life and worship their God.

We must not see the murderers as the religion they hide behind, or the poor people they claim to be supporting. We must see them for what they are, murderers.

Their reason, or justification for this is irrelevant, as it was for the IRA and the UDA and every other group which indiscriminately commits murder.

They gave not one fuck who died or was maimed. It could have been a 5 year old Muslim girl, it did not matter to them.

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the only al-qaida-iraq link was islam, but that was enough to convince the american public.

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I thought they went into Afghanistan because they were believed to be supporting and harbouring terrorists.

I thought they went into Iraq mainly because they believed that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was willing to use them. Remember this is a man who had actually used chemical weapons.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

9/11 was for various reasons. america funding isreal for example.


i reckon the reason we were attacked is not for being british but for being allies of america.



does anyone seriously believe a human being will drop their life and use their savings to go to a training camp in the middle east and then go to a western country and sneak through security and drop a package or even blow themselves up, just because they don't like the idea of casual sex and alcoholism... often from another fucking country that embraces their ideals?

it's not for allah. it's not for fun. it's in the hope of getting their people and their children a better life.

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Do you have the remotest ability to see the World thro' other people's eyes.

It is precisely "for Allah", it is precisely because they think we live amoral lifes. A jihad is a holy war against infidels. You hear them using it a lot.

You are seeing their actions from your own point of view and trying to understand them in your own terms. They think differently from you and I mean really differently.

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The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were born of the events of 9/11; they were logical steps in a plan conceived to fight terrorism, and relieve those who hold terrorism as a viable tactic of the truth of that belief.

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I would like to make absolutely clear that Iraq and saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Initially the war in Iraq had not one thing to do with terrorism.... I will say that it has now become an issue directly connected to terrorism.

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I would like to make absolutely clear that Iraq and saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.

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I would like to make it absolutely clear that connections existed between Saddam and Al Qaeda, and whether or not Saddam was involved in 9/11 directly, indirectly, or not at all has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact he actively supported terrorism-especially against the west, and that alone made him a superb target.

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And what "connection" would that be?

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i don't believe people go through the effort to kill innocent people just because they don't like our society and i'm sick of being told that.

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That you can't wrap your mind around this heretofore "unthinkable" thought is why your sickness will continue, I fear.

If you are not of the Muslim faith, you have no right to breath Allah's air-that is the pure fact of their belief.

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Unfortunatly your wrong.

Trying to force YOUR beliefs or political systems onto another culture is wrong and is bound to cause trouble. You just have to look throughout history for examples.

I fail to see how the US policy of making the world safer from Terrorists by creating 3 times as many of them is in any ones interests.

What is it that Al Queda wanted J2?

They didnt want the US to change, they wanted the US out of THEIR culture.

They dont give a fuck what you do with your life, as long as you let them lead their own.

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The fundamentalists beliefs are as I've described

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I agree, Christian, Jewish and Muslim.. all off them.

The Fanatical Christian Right (which is huge in the USA) scares me just as much as the Fanatical Fundamentalist Muslims do.