Apparently, the latest bumper sticker in the USA reads.....' Bomb Iraq then France.'....
Surely they don't mean it. How distasteful. :D
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Apparently, the latest bumper sticker in the USA reads.....' Bomb Iraq then France.'....
Surely they don't mean it. How distasteful. :D
French people... Always doing the opposite of the US just out of spite "Hey, we don't care if you're a bigger country, we do exactly the opposite of what you do. Now what are you going to do about it?"Quote:
Originally posted by davinda@11 February 2003 - 16:12
Apparently, the latest bumper sticker in the USA reads.....' Bomb Iraq then France.'....
Surely they don't mean it. How distasteful. :D
America - always thinking their way is correct and if you don't think like them you're wrong. Works both ways!!
I would like to point out to Americans, before they start slagging of Germany and France (Because that is OUR job :P )
Germany/France didnt refuse to protect Turkey in the event of war...they refused to send troops to the Iraqi border BEFORE any war, as they refuse to be associated with the attack on Iraq.
Further, even if they'd wanted to, they couldnt because:
a/ It is illegal for German Troops to deploy outside of Germany unless they are at war, or have been requested by the United Nations.....Hey the USA made it illegal, you cant now complain about it
b/ France isnt a full NATO member except in times of war.. (Its been like this since NATO was formed, with US acceptance, so again...why complain now?)
There was a great editorial in the New York Times a few days ago about France always trying to be different even at the expense of world safety. I think it was called "Vote France off the Island" and advocated kicking France off the security council in favor of India--the world's largest democracy, largest Hindu nation, 2nd largest Muslim nation, and a nation that if it disagrees with America (as it often does) makes reasonable arguments.
Here is the link--but you might have to sign in first--it's free and you can read the NYTimes for free
NYTimes France Island
Another good one:
NYTimes Francophobia
you people sicken me, screw france and germany.
flame down there \/ you ungreatful bastards.
yeah i hate franceQuote:
Originally posted by Cyn v4.1@12 February 2003 - 04:01
you people sicken me, screw france and germany.
flame down there \/ you ungreatful bastards.
That was the best triple post EVA!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Cyn v4.1@12 February 2003 - 04:01
you people sicken me, screw france and germany.
flame down there \/ you ungreatful bastards.
Doesn't France become Germany every 40 years on average anyway?
-SJ™
We French people will soon invade the US because
1) They're stupid
2) They don't comply with international treaties & regulations
2) They are not a democracy (ie can elect a president who doesn't get the majority of votes)
4) They support terrorism by their short-viewshort-view foreign policy
5) They don't understand that their moral views are not universally shared.
AND DON'T FORGET WE ALSO HAVE THE BOMB
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Ahhh fond memories of the 80's.
I remember after that horrid Lockerbee Plane Bombing, we nailed it to Khadafi (sp?) and sent planes to get his ass.
France did not allow the US to fly through their air space.
The French Embassy somehow got hit my a stray bomb.
Hey France has some really hot chicks though, and some nice cooking techniques sure come from there too!
Nothing more amusing than a pissed off Frenchman.LOL!!!!!!!
-SJ™
And we like to destroy and some Mc Donalds fast-foods :DQuote:
Hey France has some really hot chicks though, and some nice cooking techniques sure come from there too!
The US don't realize that we have a longer experience of international terrorism than they do. We had tens of bombs and hundreds of victims during the 80s' & 90s'. We didn't attack any country as an act of revenge, & now have excellent relations with everyone. They maybe should learn from us :DQuote:
France did not allow the US to fly through their air space.
And also nothing more amusing than :Quote:
Nothing more amusing than a pissed off Frenchman.LOL!!!!!!!
1) an American discovering that France had veto right at the UN
2) Colin Powell and Tony Blair refering at an old-dated PhD dissertation as it was accurate intelligence information, and being aware of this mistake only a few days later
3) Colin Powell showing 1993 pictures and dating them 2002
4) American citizens still believing to all the propaganda they can read/hear/see
Hey pal, France would be called "South Germany" if it weren't for British and American intervention.
Funny, the term "Napoleonic Complex" comes to mind.
You know. The little guy with something to prove.
Even French people don't like French people LOL.
And Jerry Lewis? What is wrong with you people?
-SJ™
Of course we hate ourselves. It allows us to hate also (decreasing order) 1. US 2. UK 3. RFA
And we have a weapon that Americans don't even know about : irony.
BTW, would the US be a superpower would the Nazis rule the world? Didn't they save themselves by liberating us?
I counter your silly irony with my stronger and more dependable sarcasm!
See as an American, I have the best of both worlds. Superpower AND we like ourselves.
You should move here, free yourself from the pouting ironic and hardly showered bonds that shackle you.
-SJ™
Doesn't seem to be much freedom of thought these days in the US, does it ?
Come here to the country of free thinking. Free yourself from binary thinking !
Come to a country where life doesn't look like an Hollywood pre-formated movie.
Dude, my STATE is as big as your country, and right now sitting where I am, things seem pretty free to me.
Don't believe everything you read in your little leftist periodicals!
They lie!
-SJ™
Our anti-americanism history is allready one century long, and it's shared by right & left :D
But hate is so close from love ;)
Well maybe if you would tidy up the water there, maybe widen the roads a little bit and spend less time at the cafe and more time doing something.......other than sitting around talking about Americans, we could then, maybe, get along.
As long as there are women in the deal.
-SJ™
We Europeans once did something : we dicovered the Americas. Then we realized it was a bad thing and started doing nothing :PQuote:
and more time doing something.......other than sitting around talking about Americans
"We"
Whoa slow down there guy, I don't think you need to go from "France" to "We".
And far as I know, there were already millions of people already living here when this land was "discovered".
Hell do you know how cheap you fools sold us half of America for? The Louisianna purchase? Man, it must suck.
And don't even get me into people in African last week protesting for American internevtion against France.
You do, of course, know about that right?
Or are you watching the original Nutty Proffesor with Jerry Lewis again half crocked on red wine?
-SJ™
As a correction, Froggy, no Frenchman ever discovered America. The only French explorer I can think of was Champlain and all he got was a skinny little lake upstate.
Your claim that Americans owe the French something because Europeans discovered America is like saying we owe you something because Europeans discovered geometry. You, decidedly, are not all Europeans, you are French, and that comes with hating and being hated by most other Europeans you want to claim as part of yourself.
And more, where do French people get off telling America we're undemocratic? Need I remind you of DeGaulle and that whole martial law/Algeria thing?
I guess that's the problem, you Europeans might have the irony down, but you have terribly short memories when it suits you.
America superpower -SJ™ ???? If they were superpower they could solve problems instead of creating them. Nice thing you said about the accident on the French embassy. It shows who you really are, not much different as what you call terrorists. You just fight for the US of A cause. <_<Quote:
The French Embassy somehow got hit my a stray bomb
edit btw who are your forfathers. Most likely they weren't native as well.
@another cadaver, yes the US are undemocratic. If they weren't they would wait and listen to what the UN (representation of THE WHOLE WORLD) is gonna decide. But hell if that turns out no war, you actually think
your democratic governement is gonna listen to that. Don't think so so your "democratic" governement seems pretty much wanting to be the dictator of the "free" <_< world.
But those million people didn't live long, did they?Quote:
And far as I know, there were already millions of people already living here when this land was "discovered".
Seeing how it looks now, I think we made an excellent deal !Quote:
Hell do you know how cheap you fools sold us half of America for?
Are you talking about Ivory Coast? If you Americans want to go there & get killed for protecting people, please do! We'd be very happy to get out of this.Quote:
And don't even get me into people in African last week protesting for American internevtion against France.
Hey jetje,
at least America has a policy. I read a great article in a reputable journal about French action in Africa. They are currently stationed there with full military presence, but are doing nothing to stop the civil war/genocide because, as the french soldier interviewed put it, they don't yet know who will win. Rather than side with morality or ideals, they are waiting to see who wins, and in Africa who knows how long that could take, or how many lives it will cost.
One thing is true about America--we have a moral agenda. It might now always be the best one, but at least we try.
Christ must we start again with the accusations?
I am generally dissing the French as he is the Americans, nothing personal. Nobody got killed or hurt in the French Embassy when that bomb hit and it is only conjecture that some pilot did so on purpose.
But you come back at ME with this accusation of WHO I AM, again, while we are playfully posting back and forth me and this guy.
Dude, you are starting to get on my nerves right about now, so give it a rest okay?
Just stop attacking ME PERSONALLY or I will start returning the favor jetje, for real. I am sick of it. I can't even say something in jest about an incident that happened when I was a kid without you TELLING ME WHO I AM AND WHAT I STAND FOR.
Again, go here and after you do, and you think about what I did and saw, stop COMPARING ME TO TERRORIST or we really are going to have a problem bro, and I mean that.
You are saying the WRONG thing by insinuating that, once again, and you need to check yourself buddy. I swear to god, you say anything comparing me to a terrorist again and it's ON, you got me?
-SJ™
That's the difference between the US and France. You talk about moral. We talk about law and justice.Quote:
One thing is true about America--we have a moral agenda. It might now always be the best one, but at least we try.
And as you know moral is something very subjective, whereas law is a more objective concept.
And I hate the way your officials always speak about God. Whose God is that? Don't you realize that Bin Ladden & co also say they act in the name of God?
France fights for ideas & ideals, not for morals & God, whoever this God is.
About Ivory Cost the ruling president is an asshole, & so are the rebels. Would you like we'd come & say "you guys are all assholes, so we decided to colonize you again and put you into direct French rule" ?
(EDIT : But anyway I don't think has a very good way of solving the problem. It seems that our president received a lot of money from Gbagbo, it puts the government into a very difficult situation!!)
Obviously, you shouldn't colonize again, but take some responsibility.
It is the French's fault there is currently civil war in Ivory Coast (or Cote d'Ivoire when you guys stole it).
It is the French's fault there was conflict in Vietnam (or French Indochina, or Indochine, when you guys stole that).
It was the French (with the help of the British) that drew arbitrary lines all across the Mid-East and caused a lot of the conflict there over boundaries (they speak French in Lebanon)
When you suddenly decide after centuries of playing keep up with other European colonial powers that it is wrong to subjugate entire populations to your rule, you can't just leave. What is left? No money, no infrastructure, none of this "Law and Order" you so cherish.
You can't facilitate Law and Order by wishing real hard that it will happen, you have to be active. So here, as in business, the French again fall to being lazy. I guess it goes along with their long lunch breaks and extended summer holidays.
The bottom line is every nation has an agenda that a lot of the people don't agree with. I don't hate the French, I don't hate the Saudi's, but I disagree with their governments a lot of the time, just like I disagree with America's. But I voted, and my say was heard (minimally).
I guess I'm just tired (after travelling around Europe this summer) of trying to defend America to the rest of the world. I believe it is the greatest country on earth, and that's my right, just as it is yours to think the same about France. But don't think for an instant that all Americans agree with our policies, and don't attack us for our patriotism.
Bin Ladden & co also say they act in the name of God?Quote:
Originally posted by ketoprak@12 February 2003 - 11:22
That's the difference between the US and France. You talk about moral. We talk about law and justice.Quote:
One thing is true about America--we have a moral agenda. It might now always be the best one, but at least we try.
And as you know moral is something very subjective, whereas law is a more objective concept.
And I hate the way your officials always speak about God. Whose God is that? Don't you realize that Bin Ladden & co also say they act in the name of God?
France fights for ideas & ideals, not for morals & God, whoever this God is.
About Ivory Cost the ruling president is an asshole, & so are the rebels. Would you like we'd come & say "you guys are all assholes, so we decided to colonize you again and put you into direct French rule" ?
(EDIT : But anyway I don't think has a very good way of solving the problem. It seems that our president received a lot of money from Gbagbo, it puts the government into a very difficult situation!!)
Bin Laden is ex CIA ! ;)
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not quite got the hang of quotes
Cadaver,
About post-colonial problems I can agree with you. And we are sure not proud about it.
But about Vietnam, may I remind you that after our (lost) war, there was no problem there except you anti-communist phobia at that time which made you start a much longer and more useless one.
Now your phobia goes to islam... and you'll discover sooner or later that your fight is counter productive. It will just make other cadavers, my dear another cadaver.
Well, may I remind you the beginning of this thread ? It was about the headlines of the US press, injurious about France.Quote:
and don't attack us for our patriotism
We in France, even if we (now) disagree with the US policy, would never have this kind of headlines. Never would we be injuriating other people or nations.
And patriotism may be a good thing in terms of national unity, but shouldn't be built against other people, cultures or nations. That's very dangerous and leads directly to hate.
I dont think much of frenchies so here.
1.Why don't they have fireworks at Euro Disney? Because every time they shoot them off, the French try to surrender.
2.Q-how can you tell if a frechmen has been in your backyard? A-your garbage is gone and your dog is pregnant!
3.What did the Mayor of Paris say to the German Army as they entered during WWII? "Table for One Hundred Thousand?".
4.A frenchwoman with a parrot on her shoulder walks into a bar. the barman says "Thats an real ugle bird u got there. Where did u get it? The parrot says " i got it in France ..theres millions of em there"
5.Whats the best place to hide your money ? A: under the soap of a frenchman
6.Q. What do you do if you see 90,000,000 dead french-men? A. Stop laughing and re-load!!
7.Q: How do you stop a French tank? A: Shoot the guy that's pushing it!
8.Q: What do you call 20 dead frenchmen in the back of a lorry. A: A good days hunting.
9.Three guys, an Englishman, a Frenchman and an American are out walking along the beach together one day. They come across a lantern and a genie pops out of it. "I will give you each one wish, " says the genie. The American says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in America." With a blink of the genie's eye, 'FOOM' - the land in America was forever made fertile for farming. The Frenchman was amazed, so he said, "I want a wall around France, so that no one can come into our precious country." Again, with a blink of the Genie's eye, 'POOF' - there was a huge wall around France. The Englishman asks, "I'm very curious. Please tell me more about this wall. The Genie explains, "Well, it's about 150 feet high, 50 feet thick and nothing can get in or out." The Englishman says, "Fill it up with water."
10.Did you hear about the Frenchman who lost his licence to practice medicin? He was caught having sex with some of his patients. It's a shame, he was by far the best vet in town.
11.Q: Why do French men have moustashes? A: To remind them of their mothers.
12.Q: How long does it take a french woman to have a poo? A: 9 months
13.The French zoo had acquired a very rare species of gorilla. Within a few weeks, the female gorilla became very cranky and difficult to handle. Upon examination, the zoo veterinarian determined the problem. The gorilla was in heat. To make matters worse, there were no male gorilla species available.
While reflecting on their problem, the zoo administrators noticed Pierre, an employee responsible for cleaning the animals' cages. Pierre, it was rumoured, had the ability to satisfy any female, but he wasn't very bright. So the zoo administrators thought they might have a solution.
Pierre was approached with a proposition: would he be willing to have sex with the gorilla for five hundred Francs? Pierre showed some interest, but said he would have to think the matter over carefully.
The following day, Pierre announced that he would accept their offer, but only under three conditions. "First," he said, "I don't want to have to kiss her. Secondly, I want nothing to do with any offspring that may result from this union."
The zoo administration quickly agreed to these conditions, so they asked what about the third condition. "Well," said Pierre, "you've gotta give me another week to come up with the five hundred Francs."
14.There was a Frenchman, an Englishman and Claudia Schiffer sitting together in a carriage in a train going through Provence. Suddenly the train went through a tunnel and as it was an old style train, there were no lights in the carriages and it went completely dark. Then there was a kissing noise and the sound of a really loud slap. When the train came out of the tunnel, Claudia Schiffer and the Englishman were sitting as if nothing had happened and the Frenchman had his hand against his face as if he had been slapped there. The Frenchman was thinking: 'The English fella must have kissed Claudia Schiffer and she missed him and slapped me instead.' Claudia Schiffer was thinking: 'The French fella must have tried to kiss me and actually kissed the Englishman and got slapped for it.' And the Englishman was thinking: 'This is great. The next time the train goes through a tunnel I'll make another kissing noise and slap that French bastard again.
15.Q. What's the difference between a Frenchwoman and a werewolf? A. The Frenchwoman is not quite as hairy but the werewolf smells better
16,. Why did the French plant trees along the Champs Elysees? A. So the Germans could march in the shade
:lol:
Who were the best of the worst colonists? :)
The British did leave infrastructure and a culture :rolleyes:, a system of justice that was relatively speaking better than the French system. They all screwed the local population, raped and plundered their resources etc. Neo-colonialism, economic imperialism, whatever you choose to call it is a legacy of colonialism. The Belgians intentionally destroyed infrastructure when they left the Congo. The Dutch left no goodwill behind. The Portuguese and the Spanish ..cough...perhaps I'll leave it there.
French were the worst colonists ever, because they went into hypocritical sentimental & affective links with the people they colonized. It left very deep psychological scars in terms of civilizations when they left. Their ex-colonial empire never became fully independent, still suffering an inferiority complex.
I think the best colons were the Dutch. They just colonized for money and didn't even teach their language to the people they colonized. They were very quickly forgotten when they left.
British were not that bad also, as you say, also in terms of education.
In terms of cruelty the Portuguese and Spanish win hands down. :( Men like Cortez.
Just slightly off-topic...
<PROPAGANDA>
Whoever will be in Paris on the Saturday February 15th can join the national unitarian demonstration "No to a war against Irak. Yes to a world of Justice, Peace and Democracy".
Starting from place Denfert-Rochereau at 14:00
Going to Bastille.
</PROPAGANDA>
Sorry for this doesn't fit the guidelines (which I didn't read :unsure: ) . Everyone's wellcome.
I'll be there but you won't find me as you don't know me ;)
Why are all you people bashing at France?
it's not the only government opposing to a war in Iraq, Germany and Belgium are also against it, (and i think Iraq is against it too...).
At least these governments (except for Iraq ofcourse) listen to the people, instead of Bush.
Also, Bush just wants this war for oil, but if he thinks he'll be able to just take over the country and make it another state, he's wrong. The muslims there won't tolerate it.
Excuse me?Quote:
Originally posted by ketoprak@12 February 2003 - 10:58
Well, may I remind you the beginning of this thread ? It was about the headlines of the US press, injurious about France.Quote:
and don't attack us for our patriotism
We in France, even if we (now) disagree with the US policy, would never have this kind of headlines. Never would we be injuriating other people or nations.
And patriotism may be a good thing in terms of national unity, but shouldn't be built against other people, cultures or nations. That's very dangerous and leads directly to hate.
Your media doesnt attack ANY other country?
Im from the UK, and your media is not exactly flattering...but, i'll forgive you, as it works both ways.
I did tell you Yanks not to come down on the Germans or French...It is OUR job....its a national hobby, and we want to keep it that way.
Find your own 'Natural' enemies and stop stealing ours.
If you hate them that much, give them that Damn statue in New York back...coz you lot have forgotten what it means.
And Jonne, you can count the UK as not wanting this war too...Its just Blaire.
Made me proud to learn that 30% of our reserve forces that were called up told the Government to Fuck Off, and refused the call out :D
No, we don't have the same kind of tabloids as you do. And no media here call you Brits 'beefsteaks' as some are saying in answer to your 'froggy'. But that's the people and not the media. There's never been any mediatic campaign against the Brits, or it was before WWII.Quote:
Your media doesnt attack ANY other country?
Im from the UK, and your media is not exactly flattering...but, i'll forgive you, as it works both ways.
Anyway we quite enjoy the 'bird names' we're given and see nothing serious about it ;)
Reversely I don't think the US are joking when they call us bastards :angry: