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So the Vatican is to ban gay priests, does this mean there will be a severe shortage? Or will they let the ones they already have, stay?
The new Pope faces his first controversy over the direction of the Catholic church after it was revealed that the Vatican has drawn up a religious instruction preventing gay men from being priests.
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Gay men will be in good company, women are also discriminated against.
No surprise there,
when you elect a bigot with a collar to run your empire.
While acknowledging the apparent irony of the statement as well as the opportunities it creates for sardonic humor, I must ask:Quote:
Originally Posted by whypikonme
Are you Catholic?
(I am not)
Do you urge anti-Catholic discrimination in light of the statement?
Are you as picky about the mores and behaviors of Islamists or Buddhists as you are about Christians/Jews?
Do you think your views are consistant?
You can't be bigoted against everyone, that would just be mental .... oh right.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
At least he isn't being obvious .... sorry my mistake again.
I don't understand how you can be a gay priest anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by whypikonme
Aren't priest supposed to abstain from sex? Or is it just the feeling?
Are they blocking priests that were gay before the priesthood?
Will they block priests that have shown the propensity for having straight sex too?
Btw I wouldn't say this is a bigoted move in light of all the pedophiles that have permeated the Catholic Church.
However, to make it fair, they need to block priests that are having straight sex.
You are forgiven, my Son. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
I don't want to pick you up wrong here, however are you suggesting that there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Mea Maxima Culpa.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
I dont think he is JP...
The point is.. as they are supposed to be above sins of the flesh altogether, as they say...
How would you know they were Gay, unless they partook as it were..
If they partook in those sins.. shouldnt they be defrocked anyway, ir-respective of whether it was with a man, woman, child or sheep..
They broke their vows whoever or whatever they slept with. :ph34r:
Yes if a priest likes sex with boys. :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
if a priest gets away with fucking kids, will he get away with fucking dudes?
Who told you that, let me assure you they were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
The Lord himself was not above sin, what would make anyone think that Priests (of any denomination) were.
Are there any levels of idiocy which you are not willing to sink to.Quote:
Originally Posted by GepperRankins
i was just trying to rephrase busymans question. fuck up
I'm taking that as a No.Quote:
Originally Posted by GepperRankins
Are priests allowed to marry or have sex with women?Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
if JP says so :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Yes, Anglican Priests are, Catholic Priests are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
l wonder why the Vatican would come out against gay priests, when they are all supposed to be celibate. Sounds like blind eye turning to me, as long as you're heterosexual, the ultimate hypocrisy. Maybe gays are getting the blame for the huge number of paedophile priests.
Could be, Busy certainly seems to think so.
I wonder if that is a common perception, that gay people are more likely to also be pedophiles.
Is there any statistical evidence for this, or is it merely a thing that some people assume.
How's that?Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
As far as what's seen in the headlines, it's priests with boys....not girls (I'm sure it exists though).
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Originally Posted by JPaul
The Vatican has nothing to do with Anglican Priests (and no one calls them priests either :P )
The Catholic Priests are supposedly celibate, if they break that vow then they should be defrocked... If they dont, how would anyone know if they were Gay?
I wasnt talking about the old "wanking by christ" you seem to have implied there.. :rolleyes:
Then it's settled then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Any Catholic priest found to be in a sexual relationship (gay or not) should be defrocked.
Sounds like a case of "it was already a rule to begin with". :dry:
The focus on gays is a target 'cause of the sex with boys doohicky.
The Vatican needed to clean that shit up a long time ago instead of covering it up. :ermm:
I believe that the Anglican Church refers to them as Priests. It certainly does so on it's website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
i got tought at school that the anglican church was invented just it didn't have to follow the vaticans rules.
i'm sure that's wrong though eh JP?
Catholic Priests do indeed take a vow of celibacy, as do various others within the Church, for example Nuns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Whether they would be "de-frocked" if they were found to have broken that vow is another matter. We do have the concept of forgiveness.
I am quite sure that there are Catholic Priests who are sexually active. Just as I am sure that there are Anglican Priests who have affairs and that some of the clergy from other religions break their respective rules.
It is my understanding that Islam considers homosexuality to be a sin. Given that, I would assume that they would not knowingly employ sinners as their holy men. I believe the same is the case with Judaism.
The bottom line is that if a religion considers something to be wrong, then one would only expect it to preclude, as it's holy men, people who think that the thing is OK. Anyone who disagrees with them is perfectly free to find a religion or path which is more in line with their own beliefs.
With regard to the place of women within the Catholic Church. Once again I would venture that religions such as Islam and Judaism are not known for promoting woman's place within their organizations. In fact as I understand it some religions insist that women take a inferior role, both in matters religious and secular. The women are told how to act, how to dress, how to behave 24 hours a day.
That's pretty much my understanding of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GepperRankins
Tho' I have little or no knowledge of how the Anglican Church was formed.
So we could both be talking pish.
By 'we', l take it you mean the church? The problem there is, the church forgives these excuses for human beings, and then moves them on. This begs the question of who should be forgiving who. Are the victims forgiving the paedophiles? The victims get nothing, they are harassed, threatened and generally treated like they are in the wrong. The Catholic problem goes right to the top, this pope is guilty of cover ups too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
But if Catholics are no worse than all the other religions l guess that's OK then. l'll just go and Google sexual offenses committed by these religions and see what l can come up with.
Please do, tho' I don't see what it has to do with your original point re the Catholic Church's position re ordaining gay men.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Touche.. The Church refers to them as such. Everyone else distinquishes by calling Catholic Clergy "Priests" and the rest "Vicars" ;)
Makes me laugh that many are in debt though, considering their stipend is about £18,500 pa in the UK.
This would be low for a professional; until you add in that they live rent free, get low cost loans @ 5% for any large purchase and can claim most of their utility bills back as "expenses", and the pension is non contributary..
That means the £18,500 is for food and clothing, holidays etc..
That measn they have a bloody good wage, erm; I mean standard of living...
I have a mortgage, maintainance and have to pay full bills on the same amount :snooty:
Join the Priesthood, sorry Vicarhood then man. You know it makes sense.
The hours are great too, but you have to work weekends. And Christmas day. Easter as well.
Feck is it worth it, your working all the public holidays.
And can choose as many of the other 5 days a week off as you want; merely by saying "Im busy then". ;)
It'd be hard for me to go through seminary without asking awkward questions and making statements that would show that i didnt believe though.. such as "There was no Virgin Birth"..
Wait a minute, that makes me Bishop of Durham though.. wonder what the top brass are paid; erm i mean given to meet their living expenses... :ph34r:
Do the C of E do the semenary thing as well. I had no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Tho' that does make sense. To just get a degree in theology and then say, right that's me applying for jobs as a Vicar does seem a bit strange.
What was I thinking.
How long's the course and what's the entry requirements, have you looked into this.
How the hell would i know? :P
I always thought they went to the College of the Resurection in Yorkshire or something :ph34r:
The ressurection was in Yorkshire :ohmy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Why was I not informed.
So there's a link between heterosexuality and sex with young girls then? You're not making sense....Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
To be sure I'm making myself understood:
Pedophilia and heterosexuality/homosexuality are two opposite dimensions, you can't compare pedophilia with either of the other terms used to describe sexual activity between two consenting adults.
Pedophilia is a deviate monstrous activity in itself and can't be labeled within terms used to describe "normal" sexual activity, IMO.
i'd say so :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by ahctlucabbuS
See my edit for a better understanding of what I were trying to imply.Quote:
Originally Posted by GepperRankins
peadophilia is the same as sex with over 16s, just the second person isn't old enough.
a man having sex with underage boys is gay
a man having sex with underage girls is straight
that's not to say gay people are peadophiles or straight people are peadophiles
I don't agree.
Having sex with children doesn't label as either straight or gay. There's a reason the term pedophilia exist.