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Who are the hypocrites here
I am aware of the differences in the two issues. I am aware this is your Foreign Office. Let's just say those differences don't seem to matter much right now. Not when the word hypocrite has been thrown about this drawing room.
Let me see if I can do this the way it is done by the majority in this drawing room. It goes against my grain, but I will put forth my best effort.
HOW DARE your government not get help to these people immediately?
Has this woman been discriminated against because she was Swedish? (Is it not irresponsible for the Swedish in Briton to not produce a rap song about your leader not caring for the Swedish people?) :unsure:
Slow to evacuate Britons and repeatedly failing to answer pleas of assistance from them?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:
Only 100K away? :01: :01: :01: :01: :01:
Yes, many things could have been done better in America's emergency response to Hurricane Katrina. I, as an American, are aware of that. I am also aware you don't have a disaster of this magnitute and expect perfection from anyone.
And since I expect (quite frankly, I base this expectation on experience in this drawing room) many to say that my pointing out your government's failing your people does not make our government's actions right...keep in mind that the use of the word 'hypocrite' blew that line of reason all to hell.
Foreign Office failed tsunami victims
Gaby Hinsliff and Mark Townsend
Sunday September 11, 2005
The Observer
The Foreign Office was accused last night of failing Britons abroad as details of its treatment of victims of the Asian tsunami were laid bare by The Observer.
Families who survived the tidal wave accused officials of a catalogue of errors - among them being slow to evacuate Britons and repeatedly failing to answer pleas for assistance - raising questions over the service to UK citizens abroad.
The Foreign Office said it had 'apologised unreservedly' to one survivor, Michael Holland, son-in-law of the film director Lord Attenborough, whose wife, mother and daughter died in the Boxing Day disaster last year.
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It has also admitted failing to give proper help to Kate Rage, a widowed British mother. She was turned away when she asked officials for help, because her husband was Swedish and the three children had Swedish passports.
Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, faces a parliamentary grilling next month over the care given to survivors and the future of consular services, supposedly the first port of call for Britons in trouble abroad.
Politicians said the scandal raised serious questions about the resilience of embassy services in the event of another disaster. British families caught up in Hurricane Katrina also say UK officials did nothing to help them in the key first hours of the New Orleans floods.
'The government said the Bali bombings had been a wake-up call for consular officials, yet the tsunami caught them napping. According to those caught up in Hurricane Katrina, they remain fast asleep,' said Liam Fox, the shadow foreign secretary.
The families interviewed by The Observer had all been staying in Khao Lak, which bore the brunt of deaths; the British consular team based themselves more than 100km away in the resort of Phuket.Read the whole 'bloody'' story here.
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Re: Who are the hypocrites here
I'd say you and J2 for starters :P
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Is it not the responsibility of the hosting country to ensure the safety and well being of it's guests?
Any outside help is just that.....help.
Jonno :cool:
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Originally Posted by Everose
And since I expect (quite frankly, I base this expectation on experience in this drawing room) many to say that my pointing out your government's failing your people does not make our government's actions right...keep in mind that the use of the word 'hypocrite' blew that line of reason all to hell.
Did it really? The only time I saw it used was when lynx accused j2 of being a hypocrite if he didn't condemn the man at the top in this case - as he did previously with Kofi Annan of the UN.
I don't see how j2 being a hypocrite (or not) is relevant to this. Unless he is George Bush (Which is actually not that unlikely :ermm: )
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In the case you present, it seems clear that the UK Foreign Office did not perform their duty to the fullest extent, it also looks as if they have apologised, at least in part, for this. In addition, Jack Straw will be made accountable by Parliament.
Mistakes look to have been made, the persons responsible for these mistakes have been held accountable or are going to be held accountable. Hopefully lessons will be learned.
Apart from the errors in the first place, everything is as it should be.
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Is it not the responsibility of the hosting country to ensure the safety and well being of it's guests?
Any outside help is just that.....help.
Jonno :cool:
It's the responsibility of your home government's consulate to protect you when you're abroad. That's why if anything happens (lost passport, arrested, mugged) when you're on vacation, the first place you call is your embassy.
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If you read the information given out by the British and Australian governments when you travel overseas, it makes it quite clear you are on your own, and that they expect the host country to look after you.
One Australian family moaned loud and often that the Australian government should have sent a helicopter into New Orleans to evacuate their family member! Not a word about the fact this person stayed there, ignoring the order to evacuate.
People like you, Everose, seem to believe that the US government can do what they fucking want, anywhere in the world, and everyone who isn't American should shut the fuck up and mind their own business.
Who are the hypocrites here? Well you for a start.
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People like you, Everose, seem to believe that the US government can do what they fucking want, anywhere in the world, and everyone who isn't American should shut the fuck up and mind their own business.
Who are the hypocrites here? Well you for a start.
That's a bit uncalled for.
I don't think I've ever seen Everose make a statement which suggests anything like that.
Maybe you could search for a few and post the links so I can see which particular post she made prompted you to make this scathing criticism.
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If you read the information given out by the British and Australian governments when you travel overseas, it makes it quite clear you are on your own, and that they expect the host country to look after you.
Funny you mention this. I think it was in this article that I read where it was the Australian airline worker that overheard the tsunami victim's plight and provided the needed help. I was impressed, and grateful
One Australian family moaned loud and often that the Australian government should have sent a helicopter into New Orleans to evacuate their family member! Not a word about the fact this person stayed there, ignoring the order to evacuate.
Amazing, isn't it? :)
People like you, Everose, seem to believe that the US government can do what they fucking want, anywhere in the world, and everyone who isn't American should shut the fuck up and mind their own business.
You are so wrong. So wrong. But that is okay. You know me not. :)
Who are the hypocrites here? Well you for a start.
I beg to differ.
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I'd say you and J2 for starters :P
J2 and I for starters....what?
You know, DanB, I don't treat people like shit, destroy their posts or even pass judgment on them because of their politics.
I don't always agree with J2 politically. It is not in me to treat someone badly just because of politics or their government's actions. What is the difference between treating someone badly because of their politics than treating someone badly because of the color of their skin or the financial status?
Yes, I hold J2 in high esteem, as do others on this board. I admire the way that, unless extremely attacked personally, or extremely provoked........he is a kind man who is genuily interested in and cares about his fellow human beings, regardless of their political beliefs.
You have handed me a wonderful compliment, lumping my name with J2's.
A tip of the hat to you. :)
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Use of a tongue smilie usually indicates that the post is made in a joking way :pinch:
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wouldn't the us government first have to permit the foreign country in helping its citizens?
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Elect a Government which will sign the Kyoto agreement. Or lobby for the one you have to do so.
To not sign it and to complain about changing weather patterns, higher sea level etc is hypocritical indeed.
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Elect a Government which will sign the Kyoto agreement. Or lobby for the one you have to do so.
To not sign it and to complain about changing weather patterns, higher sea level etc is hypocritical indeed.
Are you addressing me, JPaul
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Elect a Government which will sign the Kyoto agreement. Or lobby for the one you have to do so.
To not sign it and to complain about changing weather patterns, higher sea level etc is hypocritical indeed.
Are you addressing me, JPaul
No, not you personally, your country as a whole.
It would appear that, whilst most of the rest of the World seems to agree that failure to sign the agreement and follow it is contributing to the changes in weather patterns, sea levels etc. Your own country claims it does not.
I think that your countries leaders do in fact believe this, however they are choosing to put business interests before climactic considerations.
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Maybe you could search for a few and post the links so I can see which particular post she made prompted you to make this scathing criticism.
Maybe you should just mind your business, l don't owe you anything.
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:lol: G'Day, Blue.
How's things in Oz.
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:lol: G'Day, Blue.
How's things in Oz.
Spliffing ... warm and cricketless, and yourself?
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:lol: G'Day, Blue.
How's things in Oz.
Do you think it`s that obvious. :ohmy:
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Are you addressing me, JPaul
No, not you personally, your country as a whole.
It would appear that, whilst most of the rest of the World seems to agree that failure to sign the agreement and follow it is contributing to the changes in weather patterns, sea levels etc. Your own country claims it does not.
I think that your countries leaders do in fact believe this, however they are choosing to put business interests before climactic considerations.
Oh. Well, I cannot address your concerns then, since I am not my country as a whole. :D
I personally agree with your last sentence, though.
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Maybe you could search for a few and post the links so I can see which particular post she made prompted you to make this scathing criticism.
Maybe you should just mind your business, l don't owe you anything.
That's a new one.
Tho' I can see how my intrusions on your drivel irk you so.
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Tho' I can see how my intrusions on your drivel irk you so.
Nothing irks me Mankey, l just fail to see how you justify your proclivity for acerbity, and your air of superiority, when you are, in fact, a dick.
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Tho' I can see how my intrusions on your drivel irk you so.
Nothing irks me Mankey, l just fail to see how you justify your proclivity for acerbity, and your air of superiority, when you are, in fact, a dick.
Hypocrisy in a thread about hypocrites.
You rule.
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Hypocrisy in a thread about hypocrites.
You rule.
l'll take your word for it, l'm not too well up on Welsh logic.
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Hypocrisy in a thread about hypocrites.
You rule.
l'll take your word for it, l'm not too well up on Welsh logic.
What do you mean, it's the same as normal logic :huh:
Or are you being racist.
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Or are you being racist.
Is Welsh a race? l thought it was a language. :blink:
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Or are you being racist.
Is Welsh a race? l thought it was a language. :blink:
So you weren't up on the logic of something you thought was a language.
That's a bit mental.
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Or are you being racist.
Is Welsh a race? l thought it was a language. :blink:
No you didn't, unless you believe that languages possess logic.
I thought everyone new that the Welsh are a race of small woolly creatures.
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:lol: G'Day, Blue.
How's things in Oz.
Spliffing ... warm and cricketless, and yourself?
Just dandy, the Hoops won yesterday and the huns drew with Falkirk.
All in all a good day.
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Consular Services
What a British Consulate can do for you
What a British Consulate cannot do for you
British Consuls will do everything they properly can to help British people in difficulty abroad. This page gives advice what help you can expect from a British Consul.
They can...
Issue emergency passports.
Contact relatives and friends and ask them to help you with money or tickets.
Tell you how to transfer money.
In an emergency, cash you a sterling cheque worth up to £100 if supported by a valid banker's card.
As a last resort, in exceptional circumstances, and as long as you meet certain strict rules, give you a loan to get you back to the UK, but only if there is no-one else who can help you.
Help you get in touch with local lawyers, interpreters and doctors.
Arrange for next of kin to be told of an accident or a death and advise on procedures.
Visit you if you have been arrested or put in prison, and arrange for messages to be sent to relatives and friends.
Put you in touch with organisations who help trace missing persons.
Speak to the local authorities on your behalf.
UK law says we have to charge for some services. Consulates display the current fees and the standards of service you can expect under Service First.
But they cannot...
Intervene in court cases.
Get you out of prison.
Give legal advice or start court proceedings for you.
Get you better treatment in hospital or prison than is given to local nationals.
Investigate a crime.
Pay your hotel, legal, medical or any other bills.
Pay your travel costs, except in special circumstances.
Do work normally done by travel agents, airlines, banks or motoring organisations.
Get you somewhere to live, a job or work permit.
Demand you be treated as British if you are a dual national in the country of your second nationality.
The Consulate Services arent there for Natural Disasters, they're there for the little things such as illness, accidents, being arrested etc.
In order to help, they also need to know that your there.. ie: You should have registered with them when you arrived.
How mant people actually do this? Register with their Consulate when they arrive in a foreign country? I know I dont.
However, notice the part ive highlighted... if people are expecting better treatment than the locals because they are British, then they really are living 100 years too late. The British Empire was a long long time ago..
Why the hell do they expect to be given special treatment? The Consulate will help if they can, sure... but they are not there to be the servants of indignated Brits.
The Swedish thing was well out of order though Rose, i agree...and its actually worse than you think. The EU consulates are all there for EU citizens.. ie: If there is a French Consulate but no British, i can go there etc..
Sweden is in the EU... the Swedish Husband and kids therefore had the same rights under their own passports, as the woman did under her British one at the Consulate.
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I thought everyone new that the Welsh are a race of small woolly creatures.
Yes, l wondered about that .. l once had a Welsh Springer Spaniel, but l knew for a fact it was born in London.
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:lol: G'Day, Blue.
How's things in Oz.
Do you think it`s that obvious. :ohmy:
What.
In another thread he referred to the Australian Government as "our", or somesuch. So he is either Australian by birth or he moved there.
Given who he is, the latter option would be the correct one. Unless of course he has lied about his history, nah that couldn't be right.
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I thought everyone new that the Welsh are a race of small woolly creatures.
Yes, l wondered about that .. l once had a Welsh Springer Spaniel, but l knew for a fact it was born in London.
:lol:
It's awesome when you edit the bits out of a post that make you look like an idiot.
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Do you think it`s that obvious. :ohmy:
What.
In another thread he referred to the Australian Government as "our", or somesuch. So he is either Australian by birth or he moved there.
Given who he is, the latter option would be the correct one. Unless of course he has lied about his history, nah that couldn't be right.
Quite right, l've never hidden the fact that l'm Australian, l'd use a proxy if l wanted to hide the fact, but why would l?
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It's awesome when you edit the bits out of a post that make you look like an idiot.
You really are getting desperate, aren't you? Why don't you try and get some sleep?
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During the controversy over the disestablishment of the Church of Wales the two chief protagonists were David Lloyd George and the Bishop of St. Asaph.
On one occasion Lloyd George addressed a meeting in a small Welsh village where he was introduced by one of the deacons of the local chapel as follows
"We all know the remarks made on this subject last week by the Bishop of St. Asaph who, in my opinion, is the biggest liar in creation.
Fortunately we have here tonight Mr. David Lloyd George who will be more than a match for him."
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What.
In another thread he referred to the Australian Government as "our", or somesuch. So he is either Australian by birth or he moved there.
Given who he is, the latter option would be the correct one. Unless of course he has lied about his history, nah that couldn't be right.
Quite right, l've never hidden the fact that l'm Australian, l'd use a proxy if l wanted to hide the fact, but why would l?
None whatsoever.
Well, the hypocricy of being a banned member, posting under a different name.
Before you start your pish, your Australian, you have exactly the same agenda, you have exactly the same posting style, we all know it's you. So don't waste keyboad clicks on the peurile denials.
I know you love it here, but your embarrassed that people see you repeatedly come back, it's quite sad. If the admin and mods here don't want to enforce the ban it's their board, NP. So just stfu and get on with your trolling, it's quite sweet.
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Is religious education still compulsary in British schools?
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So just stfu and get on with your trolling, it's quite sweet.
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Is religious education still compulsary in British schools?
Wow, an obedient pet troll.
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:01: Hypocriates :01:
@RF..... Nice post and what I could'nt find but is what I basically meant back on page 1. :D
Jonno :cool:
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Before you start your pish, your Australian, you have exactly the same agenda, you have exactly the same posting style, we all know it's you. So don't waste keyboad clicks on the peurile denials.
I know you love it here, but your embarrassed that people see you repeatedly come back, it's quite sad. If the admin and mods here don't want to enforce the ban it's their board, NP. So just stfu and get on with your trolling, it's quite sweet.
There you go again, it's quite sad really. l am NOT Billy Whatsit, and all the bullshit in the world from you will not change that. l have had one other name on here, that l can't remember off hand, it stopped working, l told RF about it, the name whypikonme was a reference to that fact.
Maybe you should seek therapy JP, l hear hypnotic regression therapy is often successful in cases like yours.
