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Bush's immigration policy
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
"Send us your Poor" :rolleyes:
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by j2k4
It sucks.
Great thread. :ermm:
What's his policy?
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by j2k4
It sucks.
Great thread. :ermm:
What's his policy?
Utter stealth.
Totally invisible and undiscernable.
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by j2k4
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Great thread. :ermm:
What's his policy?
Utter stealth.
Totally undiscernable.
So is this thread. :dry:
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by j2k4
Utter stealth.
Totally undiscernable.
So is this thread. :dry:
Hmm.
I thought it was clear and incisive.
That's what the polls say. :P
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
are not all usa'ians immigrants?
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by 100%
are not all usa'ians immigrants?
No I was born here...in the nation's Capitol.
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by j2k4
It sucks.
IMO it doesn't. My concern has always been that the immigrants that are here illegally are often exploited. And you don't go to the police for help when you are in a country illegally. All sorts of crimes can be committed against you and you have nowhere to turn. Your employer can take terrible advantage of you and you have nowhere to turn.
After reading this Immigration Policy I have to admit, it makes sense and seems to address a lot of concerns I have had.
:snooty: I still don't like the man, though.
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Everose
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Originally Posted by j2k4
It sucks.
IMO it doesn't. My concern has always been that the immigrants that are here illegally are often exploited. And you don't go to the police for help when you are in a country illegally. All sorts of crimes can be committed against you and you have nowhere to turn. Your employer can take terrible advantage of you and you have nowhere to turn.
After reading this
Immigration Policy I have to admit, it makes sense and seems to address a lot of concerns I have had.
:snooty: I still don't like the man, though.
A lot of help you are! :P
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Everose
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Originally Posted by j2k4
It sucks.
IMO it doesn't. My concern has always been that the immigrants that are here illegally are often exploited. And you don't go to the police for help when you are in a country illegally. All sorts of crimes can be committed against you and you have nowhere to turn. Your employer can take terrible advantage of you and you have nowhere to turn.
After reading this
Immigration Policy I have to admit, it makes sense and seems to address a lot of concerns I have had.
:snooty: I still don't like the man, though.
You know.....my company has mission statements too.
Hey Evey, if you read s'more, you'll find that Bush has tons great policies that work best for many others too. :rolleyes:
:dry:
If You Google, Intelligence Will Come
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by Everose
IMO it doesn't. My concern has always been that the immigrants that are here illegally are often exploited. And you don't go to the police for help when you are in a country illegally. All sorts of crimes can be committed against you and you have nowhere to turn. Your employer can take terrible advantage of you and you have nowhere to turn.
After reading this
Immigration Policy I have to admit, it makes sense and seems to address a lot of concerns I have had.
:snooty: I still don't like the man, though.
You know.....my company has mission statements too.
Have you bothered to read it, or this before passing judgment? If so, in your own words, you must be spending a lot of time 'on the shitter' lately. :D So...a mission statement should be disregarded?
Hey Evey, if you read s'more, you'll find that Bush has tons great policies that work best for many others too. :rolleyes:
Do you mean that this policy actually works best for more than one side, Busy? When has that started to become a bad thing? :D
:dry:
If You Google, Intelligence Will Come
Well, it would be much easier for me to google than for you to take a laxative. :lol:
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Everose
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Originally Posted by Busyman
You know.....my company has mission statements too.
Have you bothered to read it, or this before passing judgment? If so, in your own words, you must be spending a lot of time 'on the shitter' lately. :D So...a mission statement should be disregarded?
I read some of it and it gets a so what. Mission statement are just that. Application is another story. A porous border shits on mission statements.
Hey Evey, if you read s'more, you'll find that Bush has tons great policies that work best for many others too. :rolleyes:
Do you mean that this policy actually works best for more than one side, Busy? When has that started to become a bad thing? :D
Insert sarcasm, Evey. There are good things written on many websites. Would you believe or and/or vote for someone based on their mission statement? :huh: :dry:
If You Google, Intelligence Will Come
Well, it would be much easier for me to google than for you to take a laxative. :lol:
Uh yeah...mmk. :ermm: So by the Bush website, he has good immigration policies?
Good googling that Evey!!!
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I read some of it and it gets a so what. Mission statement are just that.
Would you agree a mission statement states intention? Why would you not want to read all of a President's mission statement on something as important as this? Guess I can't imagine that, Busy. Anyone has a mission statement that effects me, I read it. How else would I know how whether it is being applied or not?
Application is another story. A porous border shits on mission statements. I disagree. The porous border exists and has for decades. His policy acknowledges that and deals with it. I happen to care about the people dying in the Arizona desert, but then.......that is not your problem, right?
Hey Evey, if you read s'more, you'll find that Bush has tons great policies that work best for many others too.
Do you mean that this policy actually works best for more than one side, Busy? When has that started to become a bad thing?
Insert sarcasm, Evey. There are good things written on many websites. Would you believe or and/or vote for someone based on their mission statement?
I am sorry. Where did you pull that from? Who is talking about voting for him here? I am talking about a policy that just may work. You, without reading it, have already dismissed it, but then you have already said the people dying in the deserts of our country are not our problem because they shouldn't be here in the first place, but also state it is a porous border. I suspect you haven't bothered to read his policy.
If You Google, Intelligence Will Come
Well, it would be much easier for me to google than for you to take a laxative.
Uh yeah...mmk. So by the Bush website, he has good immigration policies?
Good googling that Evey!!!
If you want a policy written by Bush where do you go, Busy? You see, I find it pretty tedious to get through a lot of propaganda from either side. It is getting pretty damn old and repetitive and bothersome. I go straight for the policy itself. There is no shame in that. The shame is to have prejudices against a policy you haven't even read and won't even bother to read because it is on the website of the man who wrote it. Sheesh.
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Everose
I read some of it and it gets a so what. Mission statement are just that.
Would you agree a mission statement states intention? Why would you not want to read all of a President's mission statement on something as important as this? Guess I can't imagine that, Busy. Anyone has a mission statement that effects me, I read it. How else would I know how whether it is being applied or not?
Mission statements are propaganda. They can be true or not. Action speaks louder.
Application is another story. A porous border shits on mission statements. I disagree. The porous border exists and has for decades. His policy acknowledges that and deals with it. I happen to care about the people dying in the Arizona desert, but then.......that is not your problem, right?
Stating a policy is not dealing with it. Investigate how it is put into practice. Stop them from coming over in the first place.
Hey Evey, if you read s'more, you'll find that Bush has tons great policies that work best for many others too.
Do you mean that this policy actually works best for more than one side, Busy? When has that started to become a bad thing?
Insert sarcasm, Evey. There are good things written on many websites. Would you believe or and/or vote for someone based on their mission statement?
I am sorry. Where did you pull that from? Who is talking about voting for him here? I am talking about a policy that just may work. You, without reading it, have already dismissed it, but then you have already said the people dying in the deserts of our country are not our problem because they shouldn't be here in the first place, but also state it is a porous border. I suspect you haven't bothered to read his policy.
Those are people that don't belong here anyway. They take a risk. It is not our job to help them but stop them from putting themselves at risk in the first place.
If You Google, Intelligence Will Come
Well, it would be much easier for me to google than for you to take a laxative.
Uh yeah...mmk. So by the Bush website, he has good immigration policies?
Good googling that Evey!!!
If you want a policy written by Bush where do you go, Busy? You see, I find it pretty tedious to get through a lot of propaganda from either side. It is getting pretty damn old and repetitive and bothersome. I go straight for the policy itself. There is no shame in that. The shame is to have prejudices against a policy you haven't even read and won't even bother to read because it is on the website of the man who wrote it. Sheesh.
Oh I read it.
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
for those that think us immigration policy is great could you please send me a green card.
thanks in advance.
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
Well, Busy, I don't hope to change how you feel about this.
I know a lot of people feel like.......so what? they shouldn't be here. It is not our problem. They would rather spend money flying them back into Mexico from Tucson on an almost daily basis, just to watch the same ones come back through the next week. Why did Bush even bother to try to find a better way to deal with this? A compromise. A policy that would involve tightening the borders and allowing work permits?
And it is not like their basic needs are not being met by our government. Basic security, no. Protection from family or outside abuse? No. Continued education for their children that were raised here? No. But at least the children of illegal immigrants are getting free breakfast, lunch and milk through the Federal and State Child Nutrition Programs. You don't have to have a social security number to receive those. And at least they are getting all the free health care they need, since most new arrivals are low income and qualify for free health care, and you don't need a social security number for those, either. Been the case for many years.
According to some people.....we are doing way too much for these illegal aliens.
Other people say the 'Republicans' (must be the Republicans, because from what I read, they are the only ones looking out for business interests. Do democrats own any big businesses? Doesn't seem that way to me. Big business interests are mentioned and Bush is accused of being their buddy....so I don't suppose Democrats own any big businesses) like it the way it is. Good for business....all this cheap labor.
Bush has a plan here Busy. I feel a good one.
Guess you agree with all the 'Republican' Congressman that have tried to stop it?
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Rose,
both your political parties are owned by big business, im at a loss as to how you see the Democrats as not being in their pockets.
Didnt see the Democrats sticking up for the little guy that much during their tenure.
There is merely a difference of degree.
I say again; "Send us your poor"..
You asked for 'em, now stop moaning about gettin' 'em... :rolleyes:
:P
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Sorry, RF. I am not moaning about getting them. I am concerned about their welfare. Apparently Bush is too. Why are you trying to detract from this?
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Originally Posted by Everose
Sorry, RF. I am not moaning about getting them. I am concerned about their welfare. Apparently Bush is too. Why are you trying to detract from this?
My fault.. the last two lines were aimed at BM, not you ;)
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
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Originally Posted by Everose
Sorry, RF. I am not moaning about getting them. I am concerned about their welfare. Apparently Bush is too. Why are you trying to detract from this?
My fault.. the last two lines were aimed at BM, not you ;)
Really? If you've seen my posts about immigrants you'd know that I want America look after first.
I am not concerned about their welfare when there are Americans to be looked after.
It irks me when I see folks adopting babies from other countries when they can just look much closer. God forbid someone hop the fence.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
My fault.. the last two lines were aimed at BM, not you ;)
Really? If you've seen my posts about immigrants you'd know that I want America look after first.
I am not concerned about their welfare when there are Americans to be looked after.
It irks me when I see folks adopting babies from other countries when they can just look much closer. God forbid someone hop the fence.
I did see your post and understood it... thats why i was reminding you about what your nation requested of the world.. :lol:
To the best of my knowledge, the US havent formally withdrawn the request, so that must be why they're still coming.. :P
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Really? If you've seen my posts about immigrants you'd know that I want America look after first.
I am not concerned about their welfare when there are Americans to be looked after.
It irks me when I see folks adopting babies from other countries when they can just look much closer. God forbid someone hop the fence.
I did see your post and understood it... thats why i was reminding you about what your nation requested of the world.. :lol:
To the best of my knowledge, the US havent formally withdrawn the request, so that must be why they're still coming.. :P
They need to withdraw the request. :snooty:
Shit is getting fucked up ova here. Pretty soon Maine will be Mexico.
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Eh, I live in south Texas and it still feels like im in the US...~looks again~ Yeah Im still here. :shifty:
In other words, I dont think we have to worry about the US turning into Mexico numero dos anytime soon.
What I dont agree with is making spanish the second official language of the US and just letting in all the Illegal Immigrants walk in as they please.
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Originally Posted by Helghast004
Eh, I live in south Texas and it still feels like im in the US...~looks again~ Yeah Im still here. :shifty:
In other words, I dont think we have to worry about the US turning into Mexico numero dos anytime soon.
What I dont agree with is making spanish the second official language of the US and just letting in all the Illegal Immigrants walk in as they please.
Well good fuck that's what's going on.
So when I see a policy on a website that doesn't match what's staring me in the face the "policy" means shit.
In Virginia, some want to use taxpayer money to open a day laborer center.
Fuck that.
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Shit is getting fucked up ova here. Pretty soon Maine will be Mexico.
i have never been to mexico
it seems to be more experienced than the rest of the world
would you care to overpopulate your home?
forget it maine is a long way from becoming mexico
it is a pity
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
Just to clarify:
What is taking place on our southern border is not immigration; it is something else.
Rat-
"Give us your poor, your hungry, etc.,..." does not mean "ignore the process of naturalization".
The Statue of Liberty is located next to Ellis Island, as I assume you are aware.
A great many emigres were "processed" there...
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by j2k4
It sucks.
Better than his foreign policy;
Canada - To Close
Chine - To Far
France - No Oil
Iceland - To Cold
Narnia - To Many Lions and Witches
Iraq - Bingo
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Re: Bush's immigration policy
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Originally Posted by j2k4
Just to clarify:
What is taking place on our southern border is not immigration; it is something else.
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"Give us your poor, your hungry, etc.,..." does not mean "ignore the process of naturalization".
The Statue of Liberty is located next to Ellis Island, as I assume you are aware.
A great many emigres were "processed" there...
Odd that no one responded to this...
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Thats coz there was absolutely nothing to say...
There was no process of naturalization at the time it was said... and it also didn't state that they had to become American Citizens anywhere in the statement i read at school.
If you move the goalposts, thats your problem :snooty:
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Thats coz there was absolutely nothing to say...
There was no process of naturalization at the time it was said... and it also didn't state that they had to become American Citizens anywhere in the statement i read at school.
If you move the goalposts, thats your problem :snooty:
Moved the goalposts?
Our naturalization process predates the Mexican flood, I think you'll find, provided you avoid the text you claim to have read in school.
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I have been reading where this policy negates our naturalization process. So is that what you think, j2?
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Originally Posted by Helghast004
What I dont agree with is making spanish the second official language of the US
Is there an official language of the United States then?
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Originally Posted by Everose
I have been reading where this policy negates our naturalization process. So is that what you think, j2?
I don't like the policy in practice, so much so that I cannot claim to have read it.
I have heard, though, that it gives short shrift to what was previously known as naturalization.
This "guest-worker" feature has the effect of summarily ending any need to ever "naturalize" any immigrant, ever again, which (nobody seems to have reached this surmise) also means that "immigrant" is soon to be just another obsolete term.
I heartily recommend the Administration further catagorize the "policy" to accomodate guest-criminals, with a sub-catagory: guest-terrorists.
There will no doubt be additional classifications as the various special interests (here, as well as in Mexico) weigh in on the matter.
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Originally Posted by Helghast004
Eh, I live in south Texas and it still feels like im in the US...~looks again~ Yeah Im still here. :shifty:
Are you still there, Helghast004, or have you evacuated? :huh:
In other words, I dont think we have to worry about the US turning into Mexico numero dos anytime soon.
What I dont agree with is making spanish the second official language of the US and just letting in all the Illegal Immigrants walk in as they please.
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J2.
Surely there is a background check system supposed to be applied. One would hope a bit more involved than for a tourist even if not as detailed as a permanent or naturalised resident.
If you think the checks are sufficient or not is another matter.
Being realistic it seems to me that we could never eliminate illegal immigration and we do have certain industries that rely on the cheap workers so as a compromise and a means of reducing undocumented residents I can't oppose the idea totally. Plus they will be paying tax.
The idea has merits, time will tell if it works.
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Originally Posted by vidcc
J2.
Surely there is a background check system supposed to be applied. One would hope a bit more involved than for a tourist even if not as detailed as a permanent or naturalised resident.
If you think the checks are sufficient or not is another matter.
Being realistic it seems to me that we could never eliminate illegal immigration and we do have certain industries that rely on the cheap workers so as a compromise and a means of reducing undocumented residents I can't oppose the idea totally. Plus they will be paying tax.
The idea has merits, time will tell if it works.
A "background check"?
That's hilarious.
We can't even begin to manage to naturalize these interlopers, yet we're going to do "background checks"?
By what miracle is this to be accomplished?
We could "eliminate" illegal immigration in a heartbeat by accomodating the laws that have to do with entering the country rather than ignoring them altogether; I would bet we could reduce it to statistically zero merely by cracking down.
Your (and Bush's) entire scenario presupposes a level of cooperation on the part of the transient Mexican (and his/her government) that will never be achieved via any amnesty program, I can assure you.
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Originally Posted by j2k4
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Originally Posted by vidcc
J2.
Surely there is a background check system supposed to be applied. One would hope a bit more involved than for a tourist even if not as detailed as a permanent or naturalised resident.
If you think the checks are sufficient or not is another matter.
Being realistic it seems to me that we could never eliminate illegal immigration and we do have certain industries that rely on the cheap workers so as a compromise and a means of reducing undocumented residents I can't oppose the idea totally. Plus they will be paying tax.
The idea has merits, time will tell if it works.
A "background check"?
That's hilarious.
We can't even begin to manage to naturalize these interlopers, yet we're going to do "background checks"?
By what miracle is this to be accomplished?
We could "eliminate" illegal immigration in a heartbeat by accomodating the laws that have to do with entering the country rather than ignoring them altogether; I would bet we could reduce it to statistically zero merely by cracking down.
Why do you think we have not 'cracked down' on the borders?
Your (and Bush's) entire scenario presupposes a level of cooperation on the part of the transient Mexican (and his/her government) that will never be achieved via any amnesty program, I can assure you.
I think that has basically already been achieved. Except, of course, for their protection. But then I suppose it isn't that hard for them to get guns, either. ;-)
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Originally Posted by Everose
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Originally Posted by j2k4
A "background check"?
That's hilarious.
We can't even begin to manage to naturalize these interlopers, yet we're going to do "background checks"?
By what miracle is this to be accomplished?
We could "eliminate" illegal immigration in a heartbeat by accomodating the laws that have to do with entering the country rather than ignoring them altogether; I would bet we could reduce it to statistically zero merely by cracking down.
Why do you think we have not 'cracked down' on the borders?
Your (and Bush's) entire scenario presupposes a level of cooperation on the part of the transient Mexican (and his/her government) that will never be achieved via any amnesty program, I can assure you.
I think that has basically already been achieved. Except, of course, for their protection. But then I suppose it isn't that hard for them to get guns, either. ;-)
Just so.
It seems I've started a fire hereabout.
I can never remember to bring the hotdogs... :huh:
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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Originally Posted by Helghast004
What I dont agree with is making spanish the second official language of the US
Is there an
official language of the
United States then?
Ah...touche.
Yes the US doesnt have an official language. But what can be an obvious choice? English is definetly a dominate language here...at anyrate I have no further answers.
As for me evacuating...we'll just use this time to go camping. We leave in the morning for the state park further inland. If not, we'll just go to missouri with my family.
