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I was wondering who do you think has the better processor because im wonderin gif the ps3s cell processor will blow everything out of the water since it boasts so much. Ps3 is gonna have blue ray so i f buy that i wont have to buy a blu ray reader for a while so that really seems like the next gen to me:01:
Like this hasn't been done before. Like it never ends the same way...
PC and revoloution's where it's at yo. there's not much room for originality left on PS3 and xbox360.
apparently the "cell" processor is ps3s major downfall. while it can do awesome graphics, they're gonna take a big hit if you want to use the CPU for stuff like AI aswell. <<< according to some developers.
unless microsoft fix their xboxes, they'll probably tell developers to go easy to stop them overheating.
PC graphics are already on a par with ps3 demos if you can afford it. by the end of next year it will be up to the PC to show off graphics again
Originality is based on what the developers make for the system. You can't say the hardware is unoriginal. It is all circuts and wires.Quote:
there's not much room for originality left on PS3 and xbox360.
Wait untill the PS3 is out before judging it otherwise your judging it on some crappy pre rendered CGI videos of games we won't see for 3 years and the fact that it's made by Sony.
yeah i know. but when every game needs brazillions of dollars funding. publishers aren't gonna be taking as many risks.Quote:
Originally Posted by lightshow
with a PC you don't need to pay for a development kit in the first place and you don't need publishers to start out with
yeah and the developers are getting lazy and unoriginal. they're cranking out the same old shit with nicer graphics, releasing it simultaneously with nearly identical quality and features on 3 or 4 different platforms. "exclusive" doesn't even mean exclusive anymore, it just means they wait a few months before releasing it on other platforms. judging by what happened with xbox/ps2/gamecube, i'll take a wild guess and say there will be a lot of games released simultaneously on x360/ps3/revolution and all three versions will be extremely similar in quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by lightshow
what unique features will each platform offer?
x360 has xbox live and windows media center integration, which is all fine & well for computer savvy people -- i haven't wanted to play online since the days of Half-Life and the original Unreal Tournament though.
revolution's "magic wand" controller is very unique, obviously designed to appeal to elderly customers and women who find the x360 and ps3 controllers too complicated & intimidating... and the fact that it could replace a whole armful of other expensive controllers (lightgun, drums, fishing reel, etc) is cool. too bad that nintendo will prolly drop the ball again by including too little memory, not supporting HDTV, ignoring internet gaming... or it turns out to be a repackaged gamecube rather than a whole new chipset design.
ps3 wins the biggest market share by default. it doesn't even need to offer unique hardware features, when it's got the level of brand-recognition/lyalty that it has. nintendo's management is too inept/eccentric to break out of its niche at this point. japanese developers and gamers are not going to support an american console no matter how good it is (it is an insularity/xenophobia/racism thing -- i know that's not a polite thing to say, but it's true)... as far as japan is concerned, "x360 wasn't invented here, it doesn't exist."
in regards to which CPU is most powerful... eh. eh.
If PS3s graphics are even similar to 360's then I give PS3 the trump card.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC
It has better hardware features like playing "next-gen movies" which further (and finally) bolsters a Sony format.
omg 1080p woot :P
Indeed. TV in HD is the shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC
I don't even have a 1080p TV.:(
but then who DOES? and furthermore what's his address & when can i expect him to not be at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
also: does this lack of 1080p give you feelings of inadequacy. :ermm:
1080p TVs are quite ubiquitous now...in the stores. Too expensive for me right now as is the 360.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC
I'll get a 1080p TV when I am ready to buy a new TV anyway which will probably be 2007. That's only if I see a big leap in PQ over 1080i. Otherwise those TVs can suck a dick until the price matches current TVs.
I might be biased since i own xbox but i have never really liked many ps2 games i find most games out with them to be crap compared to xbox. I mean what does sony really have that doesnt come out to xbox after while. I mean they have swat but we have rainbow six they have grand theft auto san andreas but well get it with better graphics. I dont know but i tend to go with the console thats the most "Fun" . The thing that really made me play my xbox alot was Xbox Live whereas sony has nothing of this calibre i think most people would pick games that are better at online gameplay than story gameplay because you can get way more hours worth the online i mean i racked over 50+ hours on rainbow six. Though i think ill probably end up getting ps3 since its comin later there fore it probably has more advanced hardware like bluray and stuff. I really dont give a crap about the numbers on specifications of any console i judge on games how nice it looks to me and the one that i think will be the most "Fun" (Note i also like bragging rights)
Anyways note im kinda biased.
as i claimed earlier, exclusivity is in decline, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by despikable
ICO
SHADOW OF THE COLOSSUS
APE ESCAPE 2
GRADIUS V
REZ
METAL GEAR SOLID 3: SNAKE EATER
KATAMARI DAMACY & WE LOVE KATAMARI
DEVIL MAY CRY
GOD OF WAR
SOUL CALIBUR III
TAIKO DRUM MASTER
VIEWTIFUL JOE
R-TYPE FINAL
CONTRA: SHATTERED SOLDIER
CRIMSON SEA 2
RYGAR: THE LEGENDARY ADVENTURE
KILLER 7
SIREN
ZONE OF THE ENDERS
BUJINGAI: THE FORSAKEN CITY
PARAPPA THE RAPPER 2
those are all fantastic games that make it worth owning a ps2. the selection of rpgs on ps2 is also unbeatable. ps2's main deficiency is its poor selection of first person shooters (and inability to render the level of detail required for good FPS graphics).
I'm just looking forward to picking up a cheap PS2 and a cheaper Xbox after christmas. There's been a few games I'd like to play on both formats (Smackdown vs Raw 2 being tops).
Anyone know how I can use my monitor with these consoles?
progressive scan (via analogue component - delivered by three RCA plugs color-coded Red Green And Blue + two more plugs Red And Yellow for stereo sound) and VGA are practically the same type of signal with just a slight difference. so there are adapters which can accept progressive scan input and output it as VGA. that'd be the best option for xbox -- far better than the boxes that turn composite/s-video (lower quality than component) to VGA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheese
this seems like a good solution for xbox: http://www.x2vga.com/
nearly all xbox game discs (regardless of region) support progressive scan, so the adapter is pretty simple. the xbox needs to be one that does progressive scan though -- USA/Japan models have it enabled, euro/PAL models have it disabled and need to be modded in order to enable progressive scan. it's purely a hardware region issue.
ps2 on VGA is more complicated (technology-wise) 'cause, although all of its games can use analogue component, most have no progressive scan option. standard-resolution only, on most ps2 games. the interlacing takes it further away from VGA. there's a bit more to the conversion process.
this will do, for both ps2 and xbox, as it accepts analogue component input and upscans a standard-resolution TV signal to VGA: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?cat...oducts_id=3166. but i'm not sure if the xbox image quality will be as good as it'd be with that x2vga cable -- i doubt. still, it does work with both ps2 and xbox, and should be quite a lot better than converting from composite/s-video. and in the plus column, it should work alright with an unmodded PAL xbox.
i reckon this is prolly as good as it gets, for upscanning standard-resolution console signals to VGA resolution: http://www.consolesandgadgets.co.uk/...er-p-1516.html
but then it's also expensive as fuck.
GREAT GAME!Quote:
Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC
revolution < xbox2 < ps3 < PC
Nice read on this thread, it made me feel glad that I chose building a pc over waiting for the 360 in the summer
in my opinion, ps3 will be the best console mgs4 and devil may cry my favorite games
do you guys think the launch of halo 3 will help foil the ps3 launch?
Uh lets see, how was the last 2 Halo sales? :dry: Sony is fecked once its release day comes. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by despikable
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by despikable
M$ being 1st this time helps foil the PS3 launch.
Imagine parents buying a $400 system for Christmas and then yet another less than a year later.
Some will do it. Some won't.
Now take the fella that makes minimum wage. Will he spend the dough for 2 $400 systems. Maybe so if he still lives in his parents house and/or he has no other life.
Now take the folks that already have 360 and have decent jobs. They will DEFINITELY buy the PS3 'cause they can easily afford it.
no. ppl will either not buy an xbox2 or buy an xbox2 just to cash it in for trade-in for a ps3.Quote:
Originally Posted by despikable
just to throw this in here. everytime i walk by the xbox2 playing cod2 i get disgusted on how terrible " I " think the grafx look and wonder why ppl rave about how good it is. pc still looks better imo.
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Originally Posted by mr. nails
some people dont have a good graphics card or a pc so that could be plus consoles are guaranteed to play games that come out for it unlike pc. Plus most people cant affrod contious pc upgrades.
anyway thats my 2cents
quit spending $400+ on all these kiddie consoles and u'll have money for pc upgrades. games are usually toned down for the consoles unlike for the pc. and the consoles ur stuck with that grafx for @ least 5 years. u will be able to play all these games on pc and when u get that $400 u can upgrade when needed to play those games or newer ones better.Quote:
Originally Posted by despikable
Or invest in a totally new rig when your motherboard, graphics card and processor all go out of date at the same time. Consoles are going to be the new best platform for gaming.
It has been the best for years......Quote:
Originally Posted by Vamp
:dabs: i buy my PC bit by bit :blink:
and it rocks the socks off any console :snooty:
ps3 don't need to worry it will get buyed i read something on the net maybe its gonne support hdmovies (maybe hoop so) and blu -ray disk
And when blu ray recordles getting cheap 2 HDD movies on 1 disc would be cool.
xbox don't have much worthy game titles at all u better play shooters on your pc(with nvidia SLI saw better grachics then avarage xb360 game) and adventures at ps or nintendo
Why a stand alone blu-ray HDD player if u can buy a ps3 wich is cheaper...
As far as i know, most epic pc games are made for the PC enthusiast crowd. And, most enthusiast like upgrading their PC's if they have the money. If u can afford a game, then you can afford a a new gfx card. And BTW usually it takes a couple of years before a cpu is obsolete for games, most games tend to really on gfx power. Next time instead of buying a 130$ video that'll only last you a year, get a 300$ vid card that'll last you 3+ years..Quote:
Originally Posted by despikable
I don't why people keep comparing PC's for gaming and consoles gaming.
Anyone who buys a PC just for gaming is a fucking moron. Console gaming is different because it's focused just on gaming. It has more decent games for it.
The pot of games to pick between consoles and PC is, for the main part, different. Console games need no configuration and whatnot.
Wasn't there a computer based game system coming out where you'd basically pop the games in and play them? It was smaller like a console.
I'd love to see a simple PC based system that had "pop-in and play" interface.
I don't see what's so hard about it.:idunno:
It would that 4th powerhouse player in the game market with all the advantages of console and PC in one. I always thought (before Xbox) that M$ would make a new "frontend" to XP (like Media Center) specially tailored to gaming. You load a game, the desktop fucks off and the game screen comes on. Main functions are chosen with a controller rather than keyboard arrow keys.
lol, updated...Quote:
Originally Posted by mr. nails
wii < ps3 < xbox360 < PC
i build pc's mostly for watching movies, but i build around that to play today's and upcoming games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
yes, and it was called, The Phantom. meh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
wrong!Quote:
Anyone who buys a PC just for gaming is a fucking moron. Console gaming is different because it's focused just on gaming. It has more decent games for it.
games are what's pushing the hardware industry. the niche graphics cards are the ones designed purely for video, that's why you can't name any. seriously, if porn and word processing is where it's at you might as well get a pentium 2 with 256meg RAM. :dabs:
oh and, any FPS ever ported, any RTS ever made and all MMOs work better on the PC.
I build my PC with games foremost in my mind (I don't spend £300.00 on a graphics card to surf the net...). It is correct that gaming is different between the two formats. I don't think games like X3, Civilization, Football Manager, Elder Scrolls 3 (games I like) translate very well (if at all) to a console set-up (and let's not get started on FPS and RTS games). The other side to the "configuration and whatnot" issues of PC gaming is that you can configure a game almost exactly to your needs.
I can appreciate the ease of use of console games but, for me, the games I've played for them lack depth and feel closed in. It is all personal opinion of course, but if someone bought me a console I would stab them in the face with it (except maybe if they got me a PS with some wrestling games...).
I agree for the most part. However, would you spend $1500 for a game playing machine?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheese
I think the perfect game playing machine would have
the lastest and greatest graphics chipset at the time
a PS2 style controller
keyboard
8 button mouse
no "desktop" if game is present
streamlined interface for add-ons and mods
HDMI or DVI connectors (for HDTV)
Basically make an Xbox 360 with keyboard and mouse (for certain games).
I might...:pinch:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
I did just spend £200 on a new monitor because the refresh rate on my old TFT was too slow for games, £100 on a sound card (to take some stress off the cpu and onboard sound is crap for some games I find) and a further £75 on speakers (I had the new sound card see) and I wasted £30 on one of those zboard gaming keyboards.
Oh, and a new Motherboard (£100) so I can maybe invest in a Crossfire card at Christmas and a new case to protect my continuing "investment" (£80).
Well see the fall back position is that you probably watch movies on your comp too so better speakers and sound cards don't hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420I might...:pinch:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
I did just spend £200 on a new monitor because the refresh rate on my old TFT was too slow for games, £100 on a sound card (to take some stress off the cpu and onboard sound is crap for some games I find) and a further £75 on speakers (I had the new sound card see) and I wasted £30 on one of those zboard gaming keyboards.
Oh, and a new Motherboard (£100) so I can maybe invest in a Crossfire card at Christmas and a new case to protect my continuing "investment" (£80).
All that money you spent is like $2000 US.:O
I plan on getting another powerhouse computer but am waiting for a hook-up.
I remember spending $3000 on a 133Mhz Dell some yeeeeaaarrsss ago.:angry: Neva agayn.:no:
dell was ur prob; not the 3k. if u woulda built it urself it would had cost u 1/2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
133mhz was a beast back in it's days, it was a full 43mhz faster than the 90mhz p1.
Just stop it right now. The thought of that PC just hurts.:sadwalk:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedler