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I saw the movie by Michael Moore called 'Bowling For Columbine' and I thought it was quite interesting. But I wonder about a lot of the statistics he presents as he is well know for being biased and presenting obviously one-sided stories. Anyone seen this movie or have any comments?
Yes as a Republican (just a guess) you should disbelieve Michael Moore. Can't be caught thinking independent of the party line.
Get real....Republicans and Democrats alike agree that he's full of shit most of the time. That's not even arguable.
And why do you even bring up political sides? I'm talking about statistics in 'Bowling For Columbine'.
edit: double posted for some reason. Clicked submit twice maybe? :unsure:
General criticismDefense articles
- "Bowling For Truth" by Richard Bushnell
- "One Man, Two (voter) Registrations: Michael Moore simultaneously on voter rolls in New York, Michigan " by The Smoking Gun
- Spinsanity on Michael Moore
- "Fahrenheit 9/11 connects dots that aren't there" by Matt Labash, July, 2004
- "Michael Moore, Humbug" in City Journal
- Ralph Nader criticizes Moore who supported John Kerry in the 2004 Presidential Election instead of Nader.
- "Michael Moore Hates America", the movie Actually described by Variety as "Far more jocular, good-natured and thoughtful than Moore partisans might expect."
- "The Truth about Bowling for Columbine" by David T. Hardy
- "The lies of Michael Moore" in Slate by Christopher Hitchens
- "Fifty-Nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11" by Dave Kopel
- "War, Lies, and Videotape: A Viewer's Guide to Fahrenheit 9/11"
- "FahrenHYPE 9/11: You Knew It Was A Lie, Now You'll Know Why" - home page of a movie intended to debunk Fahrenheit 9/11
- "Propaganda Tactics & Fahrenheit 9/11" by Kelton Rhoads.
- Michael Moore: EXPOSED
- Sometimes Moore Is Less
- Less is Moore
- Moore is less
- "Conservatives Seized upon Faulty Report of Moore's Supposed Dual Voter Registrations" by Media Matters
- "Scarborough Lied in Attempt to Catch Michael Moore Lying" by Media Matters
- "NY Post Pointed to Comparisons of Michael Moore to Nazi-propaganda Filmmaker" by Media Matters
- "FOX Hosts Join Drudge Sidekick in Bashing Michael Moore" by Media Matters
- "Deception; Desperate Right Wing Attacks on Fahrenheit 9/11" a rebuttal of Dave Kopel's "59 Deceptions" by Anthony Wade
Critical views of Bowling for Columbine
- "Factual errors and staged scenes in Bowling for Columbine" from spinsanity.org
- "Bowl-o-Drama" from Forbes Magazine, charges that several claims in the film are misleading
- "Bowling for Truth" by Richard Bushnell, criticism of several key scenes and arguments of the film
- "The Truth About Bowling for Columbine: Documentary or Fiction?" by David T. Hardy.
- "A defense of Michael Moore and Bowling for Columbine". An open letter to David Hardy by Erik Möller. Published and discussed at Kuro5hin
- A Moore-style documentary that aims to show the distortion in Bowling for Columbine
- "BFC Criticisms" - seventeen criticisms of the movie
This topic is sooo four years ago. :yawn:
Micheal Moore is an American hero. Fahrenheit 9/11 was the gospel. How dare you sullen his name.
i enjoy watching his stuff (conspiracies rawk), but with everything, it must become just part of your overall view of how shit in this world werks.
I'd vote for him as president if he ran against Bush next time, he rawks teh mostest. He could have the guy from Supersize Me as his vice-president.
Hes Just a Phat Phuck
I agree.
Nice sig btw. ;)
Damn and I thought I was late watching that movie.
Michael Moore may some distortions in the movie but when POTUS hears of a horrible attack on our soil, it's time to cut short getting reading lessons from 6th graders immediately.
No most Democrats think the vast majority of Michael Moore's points are true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Just like most Democrats think "w" is a selfish self serving sob & stupid to boot. And think "w" doesn't care what's in the best interest of the American people. But God help us, he is our President. Thinking junior is an idiot, is the best motive or reason that be can put on his actions (iraq etc.) & his inactions (Katrina & the crumbling of the US).
Apparently we have troops in Iraq 'cause the Iraqi people needed our help but Rwanda just had "some acts of genocide" commited (maybe 1 million dead) and that was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by zapjb
I concur Busyman.
Yeah, that's not a knock against Bush but against our leadership in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by zapjb
Fighting an unnecessary war. Not fighting when we should be.
You should watch this movie called Battleground: 21 Days On The Empire's Edge. I laugh when I hear this soldier talking about how they are in Iraq to fight terrorism.
I'm like...uh yeah....'cause you're there, idiot.
Which war would make a soldier more proud to fight?
Rwanda or Iraq?
I liked some of his movies- like Canadian Bacon
Not sure on is documentarys- I haven't watched them. I got them, just need to go ahead and watch them. some of the claims that I have heard that he makes in bowling for Columbine sound pretty out there though. do I understand that he attacks K-mart for selling the amunition used? it wasn't the guns that were the problem, it was the parents that did not know that their child had a rifle, shotgun, handguns, ect. it would supprise me if that is under $1000 worth of weapons all told, and their parents didn't know that they were spending that kind of money, or did not know what they were spending it on? the problem isn't kmart here...
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Originally Posted by Tempestv
That guy lived not far from me and got his shotgun from my local Kmart.Quote:
A decade ago, a shotgun-wielding assailant terrorized two Northwest Washington neighborhoods with a series of attacks. The attacker, dubbed the shotgun stalker by police and residents, shot at 14 people in Columbia Heights and Mount Pleasant.
Once D.C. police concluded that a serial shooter was on the loose, they saturated the affected neighborhoods with round-the-clock foot and car patrols. But their presence did not stop the attacks.
Police who investigated that case say it is virtually impossible to catch a serial shooter in the act. "Prevention is something you have to do, but it's not how you stop it. Apprehension is how you stop it," said J.T. McCann, a former D.C. homicide detective and supervisor who works as a private investigator. "There are thousands of people on the street. There are thousands of street corners."
McCann said police tried to cast as wide a net as possible when searching for the shotgun stalker, researching sales of shotguns and ammunition, running down leads of vehicles that fit one witness's description and searching for connections among the victims or locations that might show why they were targeted.
The assailant was caught after he changed his pattern: Instead of shooting at night, he became brazen and fired during the day, allowing a witness to get a partial license plate number. The gunman's car eventually was spotted by an off-duty officer who saw it going through red lights.
William O. Ritchie, former head of criminal investigations for the D.C. police, said there are almost certainly clues in the neighborhoods the sniper has targeted. "Something has drawn the suspect or suspects to that area," he said.
But McCann said the best chance for a break may come from a person the sniper knows.
"People out there are probably aware of some very strange and bizarre behavior of a co-worker or a partner or a husband or something," McCann said.
After what happened, that Kmart stopped selling shotguns.
canadian bacon is weaksauce. just go watch his first movie: roger & me. moore has been making the same documentary over & over since then, but none of his later ones have been as good as roger & me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempestv
I downloaded his entire 12 part US tv series from Demonoid. What a waste of time. His entire point seemed to be that rich people have too much money. I expected it would be something like a US version of the Cook Report but it was crap. I thought Fahrenheit 911 was OK, though obviously he blamed the wrong people for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
expensive
...I thought Fahrenheit 911 was OK, though obviously he blamed the wrong people for it.
OK I'll bite. Who's to blame?
Terrorists? :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by zapjb
I don't know who did it but the Saudis surely weren't responsible. The official story is obviously bogus as well, the operation must have been funded by a State backed organisation who were aware that a simulated terrorist exercise was being carried out that day. My suspicion is that some semi-official US funded organisation within the US was responsible, possibly as part of a coup d'etait against the Neo-con Bush administration.
Think Darth Sidious......
Fuck some shit up behind the scenes then calmly enact laws to give yourself more power.
I agree with the controlled demolition theory- it's the only solid evidence that the attack was pre-planned. We'll never prove who was flying the planes because all the evidence is gone. The 911 Commission's report was certainly a cover up but why? I don't think Bush was "in on it" either, he behaved like a headless chicken at the time and then lied about when he got the news of the first hit.
PS. I hope this is not a banned topic here?
Noooo, You can talk about what you like here, just steer clear of the subject of the relative merits of ketchup or brown sauce (touchy subject, 'nuff said).Quote:
Originally Posted by expensive
Just as in anything you hear/see in the media, you should do extensive research and come to your own conclusion. Oppinions are like assholes, everybody has one. And truth, has become a rare commodity. I personally like and respect Mr. Moore and the movies he has produced in an effort to expose the lies. However, he is a human being just like everyone else and subject to error. So the best advise is to form your "own" opinion based on "your" research not someone elses. Then, and only then will you be able to entertain some independent thoughts/opinions based on "your own" personal beliefs. Don't be afraid to disagree with the mass majority. They are often wrong and lead astray anyway. "Willful ignorance" is what I call it. Blind leading the blind. With that said, whatever you do, don't be a sheep, unless, Jesus Christ is your shepherd. Good luck in your search for truth/knowledge.
i think it is time to open a new wing to my libraryQuote:
Originally Posted by Cheese
Are you being serious? I think maybe you need to stop getting your "news" from INFOWARS and get real. You're so far of base with this that it doesn't even merit an intelligent reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by expensive
Besides, this thread is about Bowling For Columbine. :dry:
It's to your credit that you didn't provide him with an intelligent reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
The way in which the Twin Towers went down is the only thing I find hard to swallow in the whole story, I would have thought the buildings would have stayed up. Other stuff, like USA doing it to themselves, I find pretty much laughable. An abscence of whistleblowers is something all you "conspiracy nuts" should think about with regards to this, an operation this big would have involved a lot of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by expensive
Other conspiracy theories:
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# The Church of Scientology claims that the 9/11 hijackers were brainwashed by psychiatrists who were the real masterminds behind the attacks, despite the fact that none of the hijackers were ever known to have visited psychiatrists.
# Some theories claim that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein conspired in the 9/11 attacks. These claims were most commonly made or alluded to during the buildup to the Iraq War by President George W. Bush and members of his cabinet. Some proponents of this theory refer to another theory surrounding the Oklahoma City Bombing, according to which Iraqi intelligence agents were involved. This was reported by investigative journalist Jana Davis in her book "The Third Terrorist."
# Some relate it to claims of an anti-globalisation movement, specifically to s11, a protest against the Melbourne World Economic Forum meeting on 11 September 2000 that grew to include a number of other protests over the following year. The World Trade Center is considered by many to be the center point of globalization. Since this was a part of the largest anti-globalisation movement in the world, as well as the date of the WTC bombing being 1 year later to the day, this was a popular theory - not the least because their web site was labeled www.s11.org, and 9/11 was alternately called s11. This theory did not get much press coverage and was only covered on internet forums. The official web site closed sometime in 2002 with a block from all members of the public ever accessing the site - yet all of its pages are still displayed on Google thus proving that the site still exists.
# Some conspiracy theories of 9/11 have included missile pods on the airplanes and holograms hitting the Trade Center. Donald Rumsfeld also appears to admit that a missile hit the Pentagon and that 'similar' devices contributed to the WTC attacks as well in a Parade Magazine interview in Oct. of 2001. However, many articles by 9/11 researchers have debunked claims of missiles and pods.
Yes, of course. Incidently, I get my news and information from many places and am proposing this theory only because it looks the most likely given the limited information we have. No-one has been able to prove the official version is any more possible than what I suggested.Quote:
Are you being serious?
About the same number who were involved in covering up the real killers of JFK. It really wouldn't take more than 100, I'll post some speculative numbers of how many in each dept. etc. if you are interested.Quote:
An abscence of whistleblowers is something all you "conspiracy nuts" should think about with regards to this, an operation this big would have involved a lot of people.
WHA??? lowlz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbarossa