I'm constantly on the look-out for dirt on Democrats, liberals, socialists....

Just out a misplaced sense of fairness to Conservatives, you see...

Plenty of them in History.... Stalin as an example.

Today, look to China.

(Or is "Communism" actually "State Capitalism" and not actually "Socialism"? :ph34r: )


There is of course plenty to go on, and i'll start you off properly.

BLAIR LIED ABOUT IRAQ'S WMD.... HANG THE BASTARD


Edit: Actually, just look for any UK political story at the moment ;)

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Plenty of them in History....

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If we start that, we'll soon pass the "Last one to post..." thread in the lounge, Rat. ;)

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Edit: Actually, just look for any UK political story at the moment ;)

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Any Political Story from 1997 until the present and probably a few new ones next week ;)

Something to start you off:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4761194.stm

A story by no way finished....

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I'm constantly on the look-out for dirt on Democrats, liberals, socialists....

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Apparently even with mud all around they still look clean and pressed

http://www.foxnews.com/images/142098...ry_hunting.jpg

you just can't get the stuff to stick ;)

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I'm constantly on the look-out for dirt on Democrats, liberals, socialists....

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Apparently even with mud all around they still look clean and pressed

http://www.foxnews.com/images/142098...ry_hunting.jpg

you just can't get the stuff to stick ;)

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Comes from 4-plus decades of uninterrupted practice.

Put Kerry in Cheney's shoes, and he would have missed that lawyer by a mile, right? ;)

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Comes from 4-plus decades of uninterrupted practice.

Put Kerry in Cheney's shoes, and he would have missed that lawyer by a mile, right? ;)

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I'm sure kerry would have let the lawyer shoot him first, got to get those medals somehow ;)
Then again cheney never actually been in a situation where the targets shoot back...the courageous military man that he is :shifty:

Have you found any dirt yet ?

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Comes from 4-plus decades of uninterrupted practice.

Put Kerry in Cheney's shoes, and he would have missed that lawyer by a mile, right? ;)

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I'm sure kerry would have let the lawyer shoot him first, got to get those medals somehow ;)
Then again cheney never actually been in a situation where the targets shoot back...the courageous military man that he is :shifty:

Have you found any dirt yet ?

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I'm up to my neck in it.

I will try to be selective.

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I'm up to my neck in it.

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oh come on.........you expect us to believe conservatives have necks :lol: :lol:

here you go you miserable old fart paul hacket and running for the dems

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TDS-Hackett-3-14.mov

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here you go you miserable old fart paul hacket and running for the dems

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TDS-Hackett-3-14.mov

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Hmmph.

While I am aware it is wise to read "everything", I think you are nibbling at the fringe, there.

No wonder you can't think straight...

BTW-who are you calling "fart"? :huh:

This morning, Patrick Kennedy says he smacked a barrier with his car, slurred his speech, staggered and had booze-breath while trying to cast a floor vote at 2:45 in the morning because he took an incautious mixture of prescribed drugs for gastroenteritus; he also contends he "didn't ask for preferential treatment" by Capital cops, who gave him a ride home without any sobriety or alcohol testing.

This afternoon, he says he has a problem with painkillers and is immediately checking himself into the Mayo Clinic for dependency treatment, and disavows any memory whatsoever of last night's incident.

Has he been consulting with his father, Edward M. Kennedy?

Perhaps Theodore Sorensen?

Pierre Salinger?

Did he channel Mary Jo Kopechne, by any chance?

As far as I have seen the only suggestion of "booze" being involved as of this moment is speculation from right wing pundits....got a source for this?

As with Rush the addiction needs treatment, not punishment.....however....... If he was driving under the influence of anything that adversly affects his physical ability to drive then he should be charged with the appropriate traffic law, addiction is not a defense.


I have been grining at the faux outrage by the likes of Malkin that a lawmaker could drive while impaired.... still it gave them something to do while ignoring the new "watergate" etc.

wonder how rush will deal with this

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As far as I have seen the only suggestion of "booze" being involved as of this moment is speculation from right wing pundits....got a source for this?

As with Rush the addiction needs treatment, not punishment.....however....... If he was driving under the influence of anything that adversly affects his physical ability to drive then he should be charged with the appropriate traffic law, addiction is not a defense.


I have been grining at the faux outrage by the likes of Malkin that a lawmaker could drive while impaired.... still it gave them something to do while ignoring the new "watergate" etc.

wonder how rush will deal with this

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I have no idea how Rush will/would treat this...what struck me is how, in the space of several hours of (presumably documentable) non-addled behavior today, the Representative has swung from the stance of "It was all an unfortunate and unintended incident" to "I have no recollection whatsoever of the incident, but I have a substance abuse problem and will seek treatment immediately", and how much this reminds me of the flexo-bendy version of events implemented by his father in 1969.

It would seem they prefer the official record to reflect whatever script, chronology and intent serves them best.

You don't find this curious?

As I was responding to you the first time I Had insanity and colmes on and they were discussing this. It was extra fun because they had Ann Coultard as a guest. oddly enough she brought up the father then complained then Bush was brought up. "you had to look back all that time to find something?" she asked and made this rant about the kennedys getting "preferential treatment" because of "who they are"..... Unable to accept that Bush got special treatment or that the DC police treat all lawmakers with a softer approach than joe citizen would get.

Rush was brought up and they claimed "but he is innocent and has not been convicted of anything" while pronouncing kennedy guilty as speculated.

It was a classic even for them.


The "evolving and clarifying" version of events is pretty standard for any public figure and I am surprised you find it curious at all to be honest.
I think it's refeshing to hear about a lawmaker under the influence of anything other than a lobbyist

I think Patrick Kennedy is full of shit.

He now checks in to Mayo Health Clinic for addiction to presciption drugs....'CAUSE GOT CAUGHT!

Has he been charged with the appropriate traffic citations? He could killed someone and this shouldn't be takin' lightly.

Frankly, fuck all the presciption drugs shit. I think he was drunk driving, Simple and plain.

The cops shoulda beathalized him at the scene.:dry: I hate when politicians get off lightly.

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As I was responding to you the first time I Had insanity and colmes on and they were discussing this. It was extra fun because they had Ann Coultard as a guest. oddly enough she brought up the father then complained then Bush was brought up. "you had to look back all that time to find something?" she asked and made this rant about the kennedys getting "preferential treatment" because of "who they are"..... Unable to accept that Bush got special treatment or that the DC police treat all lawmakers with a softer approach than joe citizen would get.

Rush was brought up and they claimed "but he is innocent and has not been convicted of anything" while pronouncing kennedy guilty as speculated.

It was a classic even for them.


The "evolving and clarifying" version of events is pretty standard for any public figure and I am surprised you find it curious at all to be honest.
I think it's refeshing to hear about a lawmaker under the influence of anything other than a lobbyist

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How disappointing it is to hear someone so independent and fair-minded avail himself of such uninspired, trite and selective name-calling of as you've just done (and not for the first time, either).

You're sure you're not a liberal? :huh:

BTW-what is this "preferential treatment" of Bush (by capital/DC police) you refer to?

It also occurs to me Cynthia McKinney might take exception to your statement.

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I think Patrick Kennedy is full of shit.

Frankly, fuck all the presciption drugs shit. I think he was drunk driving, Simple and plain.

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How dare you, sir?

I mean, really...:angry:






























:lol:

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How disappointing it is to hear someone so independent and fair-minded avail himself of such uninspired, trite and selective name-calling of as you've just done (and not for the first time, either).
just describing the rabid blinkered way they took on the subject...they went into overload, high on vitriol and hypocrisy, low on facts....perhaps you missed it... I guess you consider those two "pundits" fair and balanced

You're sure you're not a liberal? :huh:

BTW-what is this "preferential treatment" of Bush (by capital/DC police) you refer to?

I said bush got preferential treatment, I didn't specify it was by the dc police.What i did say was "or that the DC police treat all lawmakers with a softer approach than joe citizen would get".


It also occurs to me Cynthia McKinney might take exception to your statement.

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She struck an officer....a bit different from a traffic accident involving nobody else..... I doubt if someone was injured the kennedy treatment would be the same

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How disappointing it is to hear someone so independent and fair-minded avail himself of such uninspired, trite and selective name-calling of as you've just done (and not for the first time, either).
just describing the rabid blinkered way they took on the subject...they went into overload, high on vitriol and hypocrisy, low on facts....perhaps you missed it... I guess you consider those two "pundits" fair and balanced

You're sure you're not a liberal? :huh:

BTW-what is this "preferential treatment" of Bush (by capital/DC police) you refer to?

I said bush got preferential treatment, I didn't specify it was by the dc police.What i did say was "or that the DC police treat all lawmakers with a softer approach than joe citizen would get".


It also occurs to me Cynthia McKinney might take exception to your statement.

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She struck an officer....a bit different from a traffic accident involving nobody else..... I doubt if someone was injured the kennedy treatment would be the same

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The point is that he got preferential treatment, vid.

The cops said they smelled booze on his breath ffs.

He should have a DWI on his record but now he somehow plays the "Oh I wasn't drunk. I was on drugs...prescription drugs" crap.

He's full of shit. Now I know he's a crackhead and a drunk.

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The point is that he got preferential treatment, vid.

The cops said they smelled booze on his breath ffs.

He should have a DWI on his record but now he somehow plays the "Oh I wasn't drunk. I was on drugs...prescription drugs" crap.

He's full of shit. Now I know he's a crackhead and a drunk.

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I haven't suggested he didn't get "preferential treatment" compared to how you or I would be treated. I was pointing to the faux outrage of the right wing pundits and that he got the same treatment any other lawmaker gets. I have already stated that I don't agree that they should be "let off"

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I haven't suggested he didn't get "preferential treatment" compared to how you or I would be treated. I was pointing to the faux outrage of the right wing pundits and that he got the same treatment any other lawmaker gets. I have already stated that I don't agree that they should be "let off"

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I am not afflicted with outrage over this, faux or otherwise; a quick read of my post will reveal a mere poke at his recollection, followed in short order by his non-recollection and plans to become incommunicado, and my view that it summons memories of his father's hilarious soft-shoe routine in '69.

I haven't seen much outrage on anyone's part yet-just a healthy ration of incredulity.

I think any sort of expression of outrage over Kennedy-behavior generally indicates a certain naivete.

In other words, vid, you are overreacting, big-time...just like a liberal. ;)

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I am not afflicted with outrage over this, faux or otherwise; a quick read of my post will reveal a mere poke at his recollection, followed in short order by his non-recollection and plans to become incommunicado, and my view that it summons memories of his father's hilarious soft-shoe routine in '69.
Are you a right wing pundit? I mentioned them by name, are you a ghost writer? Do you think Carley Simon wrote a song about you ?

I haven't seen much outrage on anyone's part yet-just a healthy ration of incredulity.

I think any sort of expression of outrage over Kennedy-behavior generally indicates a certain naivete.

In other words, vid, you are overreacting, big-time...just like a liberal. ;)

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you are a card;)

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I am not afflicted with outrage over this, faux or otherwise; a quick read of my post will reveal a mere poke at his recollection, followed in short order by his non-recollection and plans to become incommunicado, and my view that it summons memories of his father's hilarious soft-shoe routine in '69.
Are you a right wing pundit? I mentioned them by name, are you a ghost writer? Do you think Carley Simon wrote a song about you ?

I haven't seen much outrage on anyone's part yet-just a healthy ration of incredulity.

I think any sort of expression of outrage over Kennedy-behavior generally indicates a certain naivete.

In other words, vid, you are overreacting, big-time...just like a liberal. ;)

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you are a card;)

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Yes-

An ace, in fact.

And you are a liberal.

A true independent would find himself on my side of the fence at least occasionally.

I am resigned to seeing you striped with the intervening pickets of your ideology. :(

BTW-ridicule and outrage are two different things, and you often mistake one for the other.

What more do you want? I said he should have been charged...you don't think this?

You seem more the 6 of clubs you big government republican

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What more do you want? I said he should have been charged...you don't think this?

You seem more the 6 of clubs you big government republican

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What more do I want?

I only called you a liberal, what's the big deal?

If you've said Kennedy should be charged, you've gone further than I have.

I haven't done anything except have fun at his expense, and I couldn't care less if he's charged or not, 'cuz he's a Kennedy, fruit of Teddy's loins.

Life would be no fun at all without a flock of Kennedys to have a jape over now and then.

I don't expect you to agree with my point, but there you are.

i believe you...no really.... honest

Now young Patrick says he was with a woman he cannot identify but who can vouch for his sobriety on "that night".

He hasn't said whether he's regained his memory in order to remember this, uh.....fact.

Perhaps he did not know he was (1) sober, or (2) with a woman, and she, in a Kennedyesque fit of altruistic behavior, somehow apprised him of the fact while he is speeding (hopefully he is being driven) toward Rochester and the Mayo rehab facility.

More news tomorrow, I'm sure...:)

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Now young Patrick says he was with a woman he cannot identify but who can vouch for his sobriety on "that night".

He hasn't said whether he's regained his memory in order to remember this, uh.....fact.

Perhaps he did not know he was (1) sober, or (2) with a woman, and she, in a Kennedyesque fit of altruistic behavior, somehow apprised him of the fact while he is speeding (hopefully he is being driven) toward Rochester and the Mayo rehab facility.

More news tomorrow, I'm sure...:)

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What a fucking dick. He is so full o shit I don't know what else to say.

Do get me wrong. I understand someone trying to get outta some shit but damn. Fucking come out with it already.

He's not even in trouble for insobriety. He's just trying to save face just for saving face.

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Now young Patrick says he was with a woman he cannot identify but who can vouch for his sobriety on "that night".

He hasn't said whether he's regained his memory in order to remember this, uh.....fact.

Perhaps he did not know he was (1) sober, or (2) with a woman, and she, in a Kennedyesque fit of altruistic behavior, somehow apprised him of the fact while he is speeding (hopefully he is being driven) toward Rochester and the Mayo rehab facility.

More news tomorrow, I'm sure...:)

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What a fucking dick. He is so full o shit I don't know what else to say.

Do get me wrong. I understand someone trying to get outta some shit but damn. Fucking come out with it already.

He's not even in trouble for insobriety. He's just trying to save face just for saving face.

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Hmmm.

You sound outraged.

Are you outraged?

I think (according to vid) that makes you a neocon, or some such. ;)

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Are you outraged?

I think (according to vid) that makes you a neocon, or some such. ;)

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Only if it's faux outrage;)

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"Even Baby Jesus accepted gifts, and I don't believe it corrupted him."

Rep. Drew Saunders, D-Mecklenburg, arguing that a $200 gift-reporting requirement for legislators from non-family members was too low.

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What a dipstick

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Lawmaker taped accepting cash: court document

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - FBI agents videotaped Rep. William Jefferson, a Louisiana Democrat, accepting $100,000 in cash they said was intended as a bribe for a Nigerian official and later found $90,000 of the money hidden in his freezer, according to a court document released on Sunday.


The document said the eight-term congressman received the cash from an FBI informant, who approached the bureau in March 2005 with her suspicion that Jefferson and two business associates conspired to defraud her out of $3.5 million.


Jefferson, a senior member of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee, has been under investigation for his role in helping a Nigerian company with an Internet venture. He has maintained his innocence in the matter.


The court document was the basis for an FBI search of Jefferson's congressional office on Saturday and Sunday. The FBI had no comment on what it found in the 18-hour search.


According to the document, the FBI recorded a series of conversations between Jefferson and the informant, leading up to a July 30, 2005, meeting at a hotel in the Virginia suburbs of Washington. What happened next was captured by the FBI on videotape, the document said.


"At the close of the meeting, (the informant) and Congressman Jefferson exited the building and stood before the open trunk of (the informant's) car. At that time, Congressman Jefferson reached in and removed a reddish-brown colored leather briefcase which contained $100,000 cash in denominations of $100 bills," according to the court document.


"He placed the briefcase in a reddish-brown colored cloth bag, then took the bag, containing the briefcase and the $100,000 in cash and placed it inside the passenger compartment of his 1990 Lincoln Town Car and drove off."


According to the document, the money was to be used to bribe a high-ranking Nigerian government official who had agreed to help an American telecommunications company do business in Nigeria.


FBI agents searched Jefferson's Washington residence on August 3 and found $90,000 of the cash in his freezer, stuffed in frozen food containers and aluminum foil, the document said.


'OBVIOUS ATTEMPT TO EMBARRASS'


Jefferson's attorney, Robert Trout, criticized the FBI for releasing the court document, which he said was "an obvious attempt to embarrass Congressman Jefferson" on the part of prosecutors who have not charged the lawmaker with any crime.


"It would not be appropriate to comment on the details in the affidavit at this time," Trout said. "The congressman has consistently maintained his innocence, and if he is charged he will respond at the appropriate time."


In a statement last week, Jefferson denied any wrongdoing and said he had no intention of stepping down.


"I wish to say emphatically that in all of my actions here under scrutiny, that I never intended to dishonor my office, or you, the public, and I certainly did not sell my office," Jefferson said.


A Kentucky businessman pleaded guilty earlier this month to bribing Jefferson.


Louisville technology executive Vernon Jackson, who faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000, has agreed to help federal investigators as they examine Jefferson's dealings with Jackson's company, iGate Inc.


According to court records filed in the plea deal, Jefferson helped secure a deal with a Nigerian company called Netlink Digital Television and in return demanded payments to a company maintained in the name of his wife and children.

Brett Pfeffer, a former Jefferson aide, pleaded guilty in January to bribery charges for his role in the deal, and seven Jefferson staffers told the House in March they had been served with subpoenas.

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I'm loving this....:lol: :lol:

I caught a bit of him on the news today....he said something on the lines of "there are two sides to each story, you need to hear mine".
I am looking forward to hearing it as I can't imagine what his side would be.

presumption of innocence aside, things look bad for him. If and only if the charges have merit, and it looks as if they do, the democratic party should remove him from any comittee and party affiliation.

I'm not sure if he could be removed from his seat by the party as he is an elected member, but if they can't the DNC should force him to be an independent until the elections.

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I caught a bit of him on the news today....he said something on the lines of "there are two sides to each story, you need to hear mine".
I am looking forward to hearing it as I can't imagine what his side would be.

presumption of innocence aside, things look bad for him. If and only if the charges have merit, and it looks as if they do, the democratic party should remove him from any comittee and party affiliation.

I'm not sure if he could be removed from his seat by the party as he is an elected member, but if they can't the DNC should force him to be an independent until the elections.

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The mere money in the freezer isn't it. It's that they were following him the whole time.

He even says something about 'being careful like the FBI is watching'.:lol: :lol:

Interesting that Republicans are coming to his aid.:lol: :lol:

"We don't want them following us around."

Congress protecting congress. When are they due to vote themselves a raise...again?

Hmmm.

William Jefferson, D.-Louisiana.

One state south and one name short of you-know-who. ;)

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Hmmm.

William Jefferson, D.-Louisiana.

One state south and one name short of you-know-who. ;)

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A masterpiece of implication....and you never see the two together at the same time.....:O

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Hmmm.

William Jefferson, D.-Louisiana.

One state south and one name short of you-know-who. ;)

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A masterpiece of implication....and you never see the two together at the same time.....:O

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It's just they've been all over with the"William Jefferson..."...I keep waiting for the punchline, y'know?

Speaking of, Slick Willie is quoted now as saying that Global Warming is a bigger threat to mankind than Al Qaeda.

Be that as it may, his record is one of inaction in both cases...

yes...thank goodness bush was able to stamp out those foolish polution controls that he inherited or the enviroment would really be in trouble.
And he is working hard to solve the bit where they "hate us for our freedoms".....;)