should i use bittorrent or the newsgroups? help plz
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should i use bittorrent or the newsgroups? help plz
Both. If you can't find something on BitTorrent, use Newsgroups, and vice versa.
You can also use them in conjunction with each other. When you download something from Newsgroups, you can seed it on a BT site. I often do this when my ratio is low, and if I download it from the torrent site, it'll get worse, so I d/l it on Newsgroups and then seed it to up my ratio.
what would be the best program to d/l off the newsgroups for a noob?
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Originally Posted by tyler0630
Make that two NoObs , I'm just trying Grabit now at the moment , but off to read a little more . :(
GrabIt is just fine. I used it when I first started out. I'm currently using Newsleecher though.
Doesn't success with newsgroups depend on what newsgroups you can access through your ISP?
I'm also curious on the best client and this question. I've never dived into the whole newsgroup scene and have heard it's a very good resource. What's a good site on where to read up on this that includes a small howto?Quote:
Originally Posted by adyf
I prefer usenet/newsgroups because I can always download with full speed (8mbit). Almost all bittorrent trackers only have new releases.
Newsleecher is the best usenet/newsgroup download program. I don't like Grabit because it uses much more memory.
Most IPS's have a free newsserver, but those free servers don't have all groups and have a low retention. Using a payserver will give you 38+ days retention and have all groups.(i use Eweka [Dutch only] and I pay 7,50 a month).
I use NewsBin Pro for newsgroups.
The best way to see how good your ISP's usenet service is, is to install something like Newsleecher, Grabit or NBP and download the headers of some alt.binaries.* groups. You'll see which groups are carried and be able to see what sort of retention and completion they offer.
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=69159Quote:
Originally Posted by irascible
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Originally Posted by adyf
Some people refuse to pay for newsgroups.
You get what you pay for.
+'s
full speed downloads
no need to rely on others to seed for you
no seeding
newest content the fastest
safty against "the powers that be"
I love bittorrent better.. coz i dunno how to use usenet :P
But iam gonna try one soon :D
correct me please if i'm wrong!!,,,(the usenet/ newsgroup guide is is so sophisticated)
ok so far i know that everybody can use newsgroup with out paying and it works somehow like bittorrent, you just need to be invited to one of those private trackers like "www.nzbsrus.com" and have a decent client to download from them!! what i dont understand is the concept of those paying sites!
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Originally Posted by kayvanblue
* it does NOT work like bittorrent. there are websites that host .nzb files but those files are not like .torrent files.
* there are no good free servers. the once that are ok, always have a low retentions.
* you never need an invite. there are many free sites and programs you can use to find posts on usenet.
* you pay for a payserver because that company needs to pay the bandwidth and hardware
I think most people don't understand Usenet at all.
Usenet exist on the internet, but is not part of the internet. You can have internet without Usenet, but not Usenet without internet. It is an additional service, some do but not all ISPs run news servers. Those ISPs that do run news servers often do not carry alt.binaries newsgroups because of thier relationship to piracy (which we want in this case) and thier size, about 99% of all articles on Usenet.
If your ISP does not provide Usenet access for free, filtered access, or has poorly maintained servers (very common) you will need a premium Usenet provider.
Usenet providers run server farms hooked up to T-lines. The basic protocal behind Usenet is simple. It's basically a message board system, similar to all the post in this forum in a more primative state, without a fancy graphical interface as we have here.
The files (movies, warz, ect) on Usenet are posted in binary form. Any digital information can be expressed in binary form which is a collection of ones and zeros in text form.
Now I would post this on my provider's servers. All Usenet servers talk to one another. So eventually what I posted should make it to everyone's provider's servers and everyone will see what I've posted.
Depending on the quality of your provider these messeges get picked up at rate of 99.9% of the time. And stored for up to 3 months before they are deleted to make room for new messeges.
If your provider sucks, you may only get 50% of the messges I post and those are kept for only a few days. Not very good it you want to pick up some files.
The real plus' of Usenet is that you connect to no person, just a server. Providers don't keep records on what it is your downloading, just how much. So there is no way for 'the bad guys' to catch you downloading.
You download at full speed all the time. The only thing limiting how fast you can download is the speed of your own connetion.
You get the newest content the fastest. Unless you have access to a releaser's group dumpsite this is the next best thing. People upload to Usenet first because you only have to do it once by the inital provider and then it can spread.
For the cash involved, it's well worth it for the speed and security.
Yeah, I agree, usenet is the best for new releases, I only use torrents for old stuff and rare applications.
Same here, I use Usenet for pretty much everything. The only reason I use BT is because Usenet works on a retention period of a certain amount of days, and it's almost impossible to find OLD tv shows and rare apps, without requesting someone upload them to a newsgroup.Quote:
Originally Posted by tnemeth
And that is the ONLY superiority BT has over Usenet.
A good usenet option for people who don't want to deal with newsreaders is easynews.com. I've been a very happy member for almost .. jeez, 5 years now? (before that I was a GigaNews fan). They've got a simple web interface for downloading and searching. The tradeoff is that you'll be paying more per gig than you will with other providers, but IMHO, the saved hassle is worth it.
Yes, you're right, but the best appropriate P2P program which can find rare and old stuff is NOT BT, it's eMule. Sharing files in eMule is much easier than others, therefore, many old sources still available on eDonkey2000 Network.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damnatory
I wasn't impressed by newsgroups personally. The download speed is great, but thats it, for the stuff i download it loses to bt in: time to release, amount/choice of content available, ease of finding stuff and the fact that you have to pay!
(My downloads are typically new tv shows, music, anime, some new movies, porn and non-new comedy)
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Originally Posted by ilw
Then you don't know how to find stuff on usenet. :lol:
New tv episodes are posted in a.b.multimedia or a.b.tv before almost all bittorrent trackers have it online. (same with new movie releases) Check the a.b.sounds.*** groups they host billions of mp3's.
As for me, I download everyday, everytime, everywhere. I mean 24 hours a day, at my university, at my office where I work there, and at my home.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilw
Now I have 1000+ retail DVD9 Dual-layer titles since I have been using Usenet 2 months ago, some HD 1080i sources and 200+GB Japanese Anime, full DVD retail softwares like Adobe Bundle,...
On BT Network I don't think DVD9s are published as much as Usenet.
Usenet is simply the best, I kick of both eMule and BT since I know Usernet ^_^
so you download ~4 TB a month? :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by vipoftheworld
My download speed:Quote:
Originally Posted by {I}{K}{E}
at univesity about 30Mbps+, up to 50+Mbps depends on how many users at that time.
at my company, about 20Mbps constantly
at home, about 2Mbps constantly
so at least my download speed is 30+20+2=52Mbps=6.5MB/s
it means I can download at least 6.5*24hours*60minutes*60seconds=561,600MB=548GB+ a day
DVD9 is about 6GB-8GB
Speed is also depends on how fast is your Usenet premium services, Newshosting provides speed at 200KB/s for each one of 8 streams
I should inform you that there's not enough DVD9 for me to download everyday T___T
At my home, actually speed is 300x8=2400Kbps:
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really take everything out of the newshoting service don't you?
The role of Newshosting is similar to ISPs (Internet Service Providers) for Usenet, just like Giganews, and many others. It means when you connected to one of Usenet ISPs, you could access to entire Usenet groups if they are not restricted.Quote:
Originally Posted by yahoo12
BTW, one of the most advantage of Premium Usenet Providers is that they provide 8 concurrent connections(for Newshosting) or even higher with GigaNews (10 concurrent connections), therefore we can use some connections at home, at an office at the same time. As for me, 4 connections at home and 6 connections at an office.
i know alot also, i've used newsgroups all my life, i was just making a friendly joke calm down.
I edited my answer in order to make it more friendly.Sorry.
Peace.
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Originally Posted by vipoftheworld
Yes i fully agree on that. If you want to find something very old and rare, be it music, apps or others, emule is the best. Sometimes, things stay around for years :huh:
The ideal is having both: UN+Emule+BT :naughty:
Never had problems finding anything on Newsgroups... Be it new old or very rare.
Also being able to request helps and 75% of the time my requests get filled within a matter of days.
I use BT also since Im with some major private sites but still much prefer Newsgroups.
I prefer BT i don't know why but i do. Maybe cuz its so simple and fast
do you guys no some good soft for news group tell me about it please:happy:
Alright I'm gone stop being lazy and and get into this newsgroups thing
Same here since I been wanting to learn how it works and now I know that my ISP offers some am going to give Reality's guide a try. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLyon32
I would venture to say anyone that says they prefer BT over Usenet
a) has never tried Usenet.
b) tired Usenet, but had no idea what the hell they where doing.
c) was too cheap to pay for a good service and didn't get a good impression of what Usenet really is like.
i use the both giganews just rocks
90 days of retention
for news group i use powergrab
Just keep in mind that most ISP usenet access offers very low retention rates, so don't let that sway your opinion on Usenet. (Retention = How long the files are on the servers).Quote:
Originally Posted by DKre8ive1Same here since I been wanting to learn how it works and now I know that my ISP offers some am going to give Reality's guide a try. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLyon32
Retention is the reason we all pay for usenet access, when you find something you want, and the NZB is still available, it sucks to not be able to grab it just because your retention is to low and its not on your server anymore.
Once you try it, you will see...Usenet is the only way to grab the good stuff...Check it:
http://mantup.com/
BT is for Bitc*es!
thats a great site. thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by digitrifecta
i'm not a newbie to usenet but i'm no expert either. my current isp allows 10gb per month and i make good use of that. i can opt to purchase more gb's on my isp but chose not to. i do like newsgroups but i like the community feeling of bittorrent. Maybe when i get paid more i'll venture more into newsgroups.