Can someone explain mice?

for instance:

The Razer™ Copperhead™ High Precision Gaming Mouse gives you the speed and precision you need for better gaming. Featuring Ultra large non-slip rubber coated mouse buttons and tactile response design, it gives you powerful controls that will streamline the way you work. This mouse offers high speed motion detection of up to 45 ips and frame rate of over 7080 frames per second. Its Always-On™ mode optical sensor never powers down, providing instantaneous response at all times during gameplay. It comes with seven physical independently programmable buttons with Razer's Hyperresponse™ technology for optimized gaming response. Additionally, it boasts a zero acoustic Ultraslick™ Teflon feet for smooth motion over any surface. With gold plated USB connector and 7 feet lightweight and non-tangle cord, the Razer Copperhead™ High Precision Gaming Mouse is the ideal solution for users who demand optimum precision and accuracy in their gaming.

Highlights

* 2000 DPI Laser Engine Powered by Razer Precision™
* Features 1000 Hz Ultrapolling™ with 1 ms response time
* 32 KB Onboard Memory Powered by Razer Synapse™
* Gold plated USB connector for maximum conductivity
* Ergonomic ambidextrous design with GlowPipe™ non-slip side rails

what does this shit mean?

1st - This mouse offers high speed motion detection of up to 45 ips and frame rate of over 7080 frames per second.

2nd - Its Always-On™ mode optical sensor never powers down, providing instantaneous response at all times during gameplay. (mine doesn't do this already? it turns off?)

3rd - 2000 DPI Laser Engine Powered by Razer Precision

i've seen other mice with similar characteristics, but i have no idea wtf. lol, i just buy logitech mice and they work. not just "this" razor mouse, but mice in general, what's good to know and what are good specs?

First of all the copperhead is a great mouse.

Second...1 and 3 are basically treating the same thing, the sensors in the mouse are very, very sensitive, at 2000 dpi/45 ips (inches per second?) it registers very slight and/or quick movements.

This is also aided by the ultrapolling bit, which lets it communicate very fast with the usb port.

Me, I've liked mine from the start, but for some people it takes some getting used to. With the precision of the sensor (it registers up to 2000 dots, or steps, per inch) it gives you better control than a lot of mice, and it also means that you don't have to move your hand as much, at least not with my settings.

The 'Always-On'-thing is a bit silly, it just means that the mouse won't go into some sort of waiting mode if you don't touch it for some time afaik.
This is useful in a way, I suppose, as there may be a slight lag before a mouse in such a mode starts to respond.

In mouses that run on batteries a wait-state is good in order to save power, the razer doesn't, tho'. But you might as well say that it lacks a feature.


What's good about the razer:

*The onboard memory means that you can save your settings (these encompass how sensitive you want the mouse to be, and what buttons you want to do what) in the mouse, so that using the mouse with another computer still lets you keep the same settings.

*It also has its own flashable firmware.

*The glowpipes are just bling, really, but they do look nice.

*It's very accurate.

*It does have those teflon pads, so it slides well on decent surfaces.
(I still use other pads on mine tho', 'cos it's slides like on ice on my icemat that way.)

*The way it's shaped makes it equally usable with your left and right hand, and the glowpipe exteriors make for a good grip too.

You should look at the weight of mice.

My MX1000 is pretty heavy. You get used to it, but there are some days where it gets on your nerves.

Ooh, buttons, lots of buttons, they're always helpful.

My recommendation, btw.

Not quite as sensitive as the copperhead or as many buttons, but still quite enough for most people, and it's also cheaper.

Raz0r 2000 dpi...pffft.

I still pwn with these:snooty:
http://www.digibarn.com/collections/...10/Image72.jpg

My G7 lets me change the DPI from 400 to 2000 (on the fly with buttons on the mouse :w00t:).
2000 is wayy too fast for me so i havent found any use for it yet, but i use 1200 as that's the same as my old mouse's speed so doesn't take any getting used to.

In reviews it says changing the dpi on the fly is good for games, for example in an FPS you can use 2000dpi for quick movements then lower it down to 800 or something for sniping. :)

edit: seedler what does the top of that mouse look like? :lol:

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seedler what does the top of that mouse look like? :lol:

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The top of a mouse?

I don't see it:no:

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My G7 lets me change the DPI from 400 to 2000 (on the fly with buttons on the mouse :w00t:).
2000 is wayy too fast for me so i havent found any use for it yet, but i use 1200 as that's the same as my old mouse's speed so doesn't take any getting used to.

In reviews it says changing the dpi on the fly is good for games, for example in an FPS you can use 2000dpi for quick movements then lower it down to 800 or something for sniping. :)

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TBH, I hardly ever use that function, I think I used it once for some game JP posted a while ago, but otherwise I just go 2000 dpi all the time.

(Copperheads have it too :dabs: )

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My G7 lets me change the DPI from 400 to 2000 (on the fly with buttons on the mouse :w00t:).
2000 is wayy too fast for me so i havent found any use for it yet, but i use 1200 as that's the same as my old mouse's speed so doesn't take any getting used to.

In reviews it says changing the dpi on the fly is good for games, for example in an FPS you can use 2000dpi for quick movements then lower it down to 800 or something for sniping. :)

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TBH, I hardly ever use that function, I think I used it once for some game JP posted a while ago, but otherwise I just go 2000 dpi all the time.

(Copperheads have it too :dabs: )

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Ya i'll proly end up making the buttons control volume or something.:P

can someone explain the differences. it's not registering yet. i mean, if someone told me they had 1gb of ram i knew the differences between that and 2gb of ram or let's say 2gb of ram with cl of 4 and the other is cl of 2.5. what about these mouse specs? like 1600dpi for one mouse and 2000dpi for another? what is that? the 2000 makes the mouse move even faster? fps on a mouse? one mouse is 6400fps and the other is 7800fps? what's going on there? lol, sorry 'bout that, but i just don't understand. never really researched mice this much. also, which is better? drivers for a mouse or updating a mouse's firmware? do those razor mice have drivers and firmware? or just firmware? thanks for all the discussion so far as it's been a good read for me. thx.

also, this is the closest thing i can find to my current mouse. it doesn't have any specs like that of what i'm asking so i can't compare my mouse to these ULTIMATE mice that are out today. it gets the job done so if i were to start using some of these mice with actual specs i'd probably be overwhelmed or are things like 2000dpi or 7800fps on a mouse pointless?

The bigger dpi, or fps the more sensitive (dpi, ips, fps and ultrapolling all have to do with how many signals reach the computer from the mouse for each movement and second. Suffice it to say that they mean that the mouse is very sensitive, and accurate. Or at least that the manufacturer thinks it is.), and accurate the mouse.

Obviously, this isn't something everyone likes, as it means it'll sense the slightest movement. At a dpi of 2000 I only have to move the mouse a couple of inches to drag the pointer across the entire screen, diagonally.

What the "better" mouses do, is give you the choice of using that sort of sensitivity, but you don't have to use it. It's useful tho', 'cos it also gives you more precision. The mouse can "feel" your movements better, so to speak.

You could say that the lower the sensitivity, the fewer steps the mouse, or the laser in the mouse, takes over the surface. Like a person leaping forward, rather than inching forward.

The person inching forward will be able to turn the second he or she wants, whereas the person leaping forward will have to turn at a point when their feet hit the ground.

As rossco mentioned, mouses with on-the-fly sensitivity even allow you to adjust it whenever you want, even when in a game.

As for firmware in a mouse...it doesn't eliminate the need for drivers.

Think of it more like a BIOS, you still need drivers for your mobo (windows usually has some default ones, tho').

Having flashable firmware means that the inner workings on the mouse can be improved, say if they discover a hardware incompatibility, or find a better way to control the laser, for instance.

Look at the changelog for the latest drivers and firmware here, the cold boot issue they are referring to would be a change in the firmware (no drivers loaded before the OS).

thx.

on a mouse that has, again let's say 2000dpi, does it ALWAYS work on 2000dpi or u can change it to that, or up to that, or maybe even turn that off? my mouse has an acceleration and sensitivity scale. i can turn that on a little bit, a whole lot, or even off. even then i can have those turned on in windows, but there is also an option to have it automatically turn off/disable in games and i can adjust it separately in games.

All mice have a dpi, used to be the norm was around 400 dpi, now I think it's at least twice that.

2000dpi would be the max setting, you'll be able to set that to a desired level.
The copperhead and the boomslang allow you to adjust the sensitivity on a scale from one to ten, one being the lowest, and 10 being using the full 2000 dpi (2100 on my boomslang) to the limit.

In addition you can save different profiles in the mouse's onboard memory, with different button- and sensitivity settings.

And the sensitivity can be changed from inside a game, by pressing a button and using the scroll wheel at the same time.

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please don't tell me this is real
I have not met one architect (wife is an archi) which uses this and they are serious precision bastards. Any one who uses "snny's mouse needs a vacation.

Oh, they are real, all right.

I think there's an edition of the Krait made to look especially professional, as well. In case your lady wants one.


This is what she wants if she spends a whole lot of time using it for work, tho'.

Used to own one, and they are great for preserving the wrists.


More razer stuff :P

It's the same wiht my G7 snny:
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edit: I dont have polling rate, what's that?
Other than that I have all the same options as you but in different places.

maybe i'll just buy a razer just to experiment!

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edit: I dont have polling rate, what's that?

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The speed in which the mouse communicates with the usb controller.

From Razer's site.

Seems to me that a poll-rate of 1000hz is something like overclocking your usb-controller :blink:

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edit: I dont have polling rate, what's that?

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The speed in which the mouse communicates with the usb controller.

From Razer's site.

Seems to me that a poll-rate of 1000hz is something like overclocking your usb-controller :blink:

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ah, according to logitech mine is 500 reports per second (500hz).

i've got Logitech MX518, a good mouse is really another feeling
and yes i do use DPI on the fly chaning buttons, it's very handy not only in games but in photoshop too

by the way if you set your mouse to, say 2000dpi this doesn't mean that the pointer speed is the fastest

you can control the pointer speed in windows, so the pointer speed will be the desired speed, but the precision will be better than 800 dpi mouse

you choose the highest dpi setting on mouse, adjust the pointer speed in your OS to the one you like and will use most
then you can use dpi changing button - if it will lower the dpi the pointer speed will get slower

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i've got Logitech MX518, a good mouse is really another feeling
and yes i do use DPI on the fly chaning buttons, it's very handy not only in games but in photoshop too

by the way if you set your mouse to, say 2000dpi this doesn't mean that the pointer speed is the fastest

you can control the pointer speed in windows, so the pointer speed will be the desired speed, but the precision will be better than 800 dpi mouse

you choose the highest dpi setting on mouse, adjust the pointer speed in your OS to the one you like and will use most
then you can use dpi changing button - if it will lower the dpi the pointer speed will get slower

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nice. i was waiting to hear something like this. thx.

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i've got Logitech MX518, a good mouse is really another feeling
and yes i do use DPI on the fly chaning buttons, it's very handy not only in games but in photoshop too

by the way if you set your mouse to, say 2000dpi this doesn't mean that the pointer speed is the fastest

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True, but to me, the whole point of having a high-dpi mouse is to have high speed, and high precision at the same time.

So I'll set the sensitivity to max, use the default pointer speed (If I remember it right), and use the highest dpi (as in the pic).


It seems to me, anyway, that when running at a lower sensitivity, the difference from a less precise mouse feels less obvious.

If I wanted things to move really fast, tho', I'd turn on acceleration and kick up the pointer speed to max as well (no fun doing that, tho') :pinch: