"Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch

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I like how he says "we" as if he's part of the KKK.

lol!


he should say he's an alcoholic :pinch:

honestly, i never liked Kramer... actually I hate Kramer...

A much better clip here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufHYw-W6j4

I think the above clip pretty much sums it up tbh.

no shit ?!

Strange when Richard Pryor called people that,they laughed and clapped him.

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Strange when Richard Pryor called people that,they laughed and clapped him.

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How could you even begin to compare those two? :huh:

Richard Pryor said it in the middle of jokes or as part of a joke. Michael Richards was not. He even admits that it wasn't part of his act and that he had gone into a "rage".

I do however think it's bullshit that blacks can say "nigger" or "nigga" all day long and it's ok. Do blacks expect the word to go away when we're constantly reminded of it by those that deem it unspeakable?

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Strange when Richard Pryor called people that,they laughed and clapped him.

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One can make fun of his own like the seinfeld chapter about the dentist that converted to judism just for the jokes

it's a good job black people aren't allowed to use the internet or they might see that and be offended :pinch:

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it's a good job black people aren't allowed to use the internet or they might see that and be offended :pinch:

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Where's the punchline?:ermm:

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I do however think it's bullshit that blacks can say "nigger" or "nigga" all day long and it's ok. Do blacks expect the word to go away when we're constantly reminded of it by those that deem it unspeakable?

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Can I talk to your friends the way you do?

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Strange when Richard Pryor called people that,they laughed and clapped him.

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He's black and joking too.

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Strange when Richard Pryor called people that,they laughed and clapped him.

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He's black and joking too.

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So I can't call people niggers because I'm white?

edit: assuming that's the word in question, obviousement

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He's black and joking too.

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So I can't call people niggers because I'm white?

edit: assuming that's the word in question, obviousement

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What's the context?

For instance, Kramer wasn't joking at all.

Also you can do whatever you wanna do. In some instances it might get you fucked up. In others you might get cheers and laughter.

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So I can't call people niggers because I'm white?

edit: assuming that's the word in question, obviousement

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What's the context?

For instance, Kramer wasn't joking at all.

Also you can do whatever you wanna do. In some instances it might get you fucked up. In others you might get cheers and laughter.

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Wow, I was expecting a straight "no" and then I was going to call you a racist. You spoilt than one, twunt:pinch:

No excuse for that.

Cross him off the list for good.

an interesting take on the whole thing imo.

Could a white guy post that opinion?

I love how Jerry Seinfeld is there defending him.

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an interesting take on the whole thing imo.

Could a white guy post that opinion?

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A Couple of "N Words" Walk into a Comedy Club

So, Michael Richards gets heckled, has a meltdown, calls some guys niggers, gives a detailing of a forked-based lynching (?), then gets the public flogging he deserves as he crawls around looking for absolution.

And that's all as it should be.

But a query: what exactly do you call a couple of black guys who go to a public place where people paid money to enjoy themselves and who then begin to yell and scream at the person on stage who is trying to do his job?


As an ex-stand up, I can tell you that a comedy club isn't a place you go looking to get the abuse you just can't seem to find in daily life. The stage is a performer's domain. You protect that domain. You are not on stage to take what's given just 'cause you're getting paid. If you are attacked, you retaliate. If you can be high minded and pithy with your retribution, bravo. But if necessary, if you need to be brutal, such is the nature of things. You go for a heckler's weakness - physical failings, appearances, or stereotypes. Such as; the stereotype of SOME blacks who are unable to be demure in public. SOME blacks who are oblivious to a code of conduct.

Some would call such individuals niggers.

Clearly, do to so in this PC-ified age - even in a comedy club, even after having been attacked - is to risk one's career.

Comparisons have been made to Richards and Mel Gibson, but I don't fully entertain them. When Gibson lost his mind - or made his true id evident - he was driving drunk. And when law officers charged with protecting the public attempted to do their job Gibson let loose with an unprovoked tirade.

Richards was on stage, practicing his craft in a professional setting, when he was chided to the point he could stand no more. Should he have found a better way to express his displeasure?

Absolutely.

But that cannot obfuscate the fact that if these "gentlemen" had merely kept their mouths shut and enjoyed the show - or, failing that, quietly made their way to an exit - no one would have said a word to them. Yet, now, after inciting the incident, they have the audacity to play the victim; act as though they are completely oblivious as to why - WHY - someone would "out of the blue" call them the dreaded "N Word" (and please don't get me started on how the Caucasian-dominate media makes matters worse by unilaterally deciding for blacks that nigger is forever a hurtful word).

These couple of guys, who have become poster-children for racial insensitivity with the rapidity of the rise of a teen pop queen, are not innocent blacks who were smeared merely for the color of their skin. They are loud-mouthed smart-alecks who were looking for trouble. And trouble once found, they and their paternalistic coddlers seek a group hug from the rest of us when really they are in need of a spanking and a lesson in manners.

No, I'll save my sympathy for some real victims. Not a couple of "N words" who walked into a comedy club.

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A Couple of "N Words" Walk into a Comedy Club

So, Michael Richards gets heckled, has a meltdown, calls some guys niggers, gives a detailing of a forked-based lynching (?), then gets the public flogging he deserves as he crawls around looking for absolution.

And that's all as it should be.

But a query: what exactly do you call a couple of black guys who go to a public place where people paid money to enjoy themselves and who then begin to yell and scream at the person on stage who is trying to do his job?


As an ex-stand up, I can tell you that a comedy club isn't a place you go looking to get the abuse you just can't seem to find in daily life. The stage is a performer's domain. You protect that domain. You are not on stage to take what's given just 'cause you're getting paid. If you are attacked, you retaliate. If you can be high minded and pithy with your retribution, bravo. But if necessary, if you need to be brutal, such is the nature of things. You go for a heckler's weakness - physical failings, appearances, or stereotypes. Such as; the stereotype of SOME blacks who are unable to be demure in public. SOME blacks who are oblivious to a code of conduct.

Some would call such individuals niggers.

Clearly, do to so in this PC-ified age - even in a comedy club, even after having been attacked - is to risk one's career.

Comparisons have been made to Richards and Mel Gibson, but I don't fully entertain them. When Gibson lost his mind - or made his true id evident - he was driving drunk. And when law officers charged with protecting the public attempted to do their job Gibson let loose with an unprovoked tirade.

Richards was on stage, practicing his craft in a professional setting, when he was chided to the point he could stand no more. Should he have found a better way to express his displeasure?

Absolutely.

But that cannot obfuscate the fact that if these "gentlemen" had merely kept their mouths shut and enjoyed the show - or, failing that, quietly made their way to an exit - no one would have said a word to them. Yet, now, after inciting the incident, they have the audacity to play the victim; act as though they are completely oblivious as to why - WHY - someone would "out of the blue" call them the dreaded "N Word" (and please don't get me started on how the Caucasian-dominate media makes matters worse by unilaterally deciding for blacks that nigger is forever a hurtful word).

These couple of guys, who have become poster-children for racial insensitivity with the rapidity of the rise of a teen pop queen, are not innocent blacks who were smeared merely for the color of their skin. They are loud-mouthed smart-alecks who were looking for trouble. And trouble once found, they and their paternalistic coddlers seek a group hug from the rest of us when really they are in need of a spanking and a lesson in manners.

No, I'll save my sympathy for some real victims. Not a couple of "N words" who walked into a comedy club.

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A Couple of "N Words" Walk into a Comedy Club

So, Michael Richards gets heckled, has a meltdown, calls some guys niggers, gives a detailing of a forked-based lynching (?), then gets the public flogging he deserves as he crawls around looking for absolution.

And that's all as it should be.

But a query: what exactly do you call a couple of black guys who go to a public place where people paid money to enjoy themselves and who then begin to yell and scream at the person on stage who is trying to do his job?


As an ex-stand up, I can tell you that a comedy club isn't a place you go looking to get the abuse you just can't seem to find in daily life. The stage is a performer's domain. You protect that domain. You are not on stage to take what's given just 'cause you're getting paid. If you are attacked, you retaliate. If you can be high minded and pithy with your retribution, bravo. But if necessary, if you need to be brutal, such is the nature of things. You go for a heckler's weakness - physical failings, appearances, or stereotypes. Such as; the stereotype of SOME blacks who are unable to be demure in public. SOME blacks who are oblivious to a code of conduct.

Some would call such individuals niggers.

Clearly, do to so in this PC-ified age - even in a comedy club, even after having been attacked - is to risk one's career.

Comparisons have been made to Richards and Mel Gibson, but I don't fully entertain them. When Gibson lost his mind - or made his true id evident - he was driving drunk. And when law officers charged with protecting the public attempted to do their job Gibson let loose with an unprovoked tirade.

Richards was on stage, practicing his craft in a professional setting, when he was chided to the point he could stand no more. Should he have found a better way to express his displeasure?

Absolutely.

But that cannot obfuscate the fact that if these "gentlemen" had merely kept their mouths shut and enjoyed the show - or, failing that, quietly made their way to an exit - no one would have said a word to them. Yet, now, after inciting the incident, they have the audacity to play the victim; act as though they are completely oblivious as to why - WHY - someone would "out of the blue" call them the dreaded "N Word" (and please don't get me started on how the Caucasian-dominate media makes matters worse by unilaterally deciding for blacks that nigger is forever a hurtful word).

These couple of guys, who have become poster-children for racial insensitivity with the rapidity of the rise of a teen pop queen, are not innocent blacks who were smeared merely for the color of their skin. They are loud-mouthed smart-alecks who were looking for trouble. And trouble once found, they and their paternalistic coddlers seek a group hug from the rest of us when really they are in need of a spanking and a lesson in manners.

No, I'll save my sympathy for some real victims. Not a couple of "N words" who walked into a comedy club.

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Another good point.

Hey, if calling someone "nigger" is bad for some, it should be bad for all, yes?

Or are we gonna fuck around with the meaning of the word "equality", too?

If black-on-black use of the word is okay, then other contexts are legitimate as well.

In the real world, where I live, blacks are not special, they are regular people, and I can do them no better than to treat them that way.

that teh h4rsh.

truth is he picked the first difference he noticed between him and the heckler. if they were fat he would have gone on about them being fat. if they were a woman he would have picked at that. the painful thing is that he couldn't just come out and say that on telly :pinch:

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an interesting take on the whole thing imo.

Could a white guy post that opinion?

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Sure but the talk around "the watercooler" at work doesn't have these hecklers made out to be victims at all. In fact I haven't heard such a thing (I'm sure it might be out there....somewhere).

The consensus around people I know is basically, "Kramer can kiss my ass, the motherfucker." The hecklers aren't a second thought.

Furthermore, heckling does not give a comedian carte blanche to say whateverthefuck. A comedian must remember that he is ultimately there to entertain and that he might not just grossly offend hecklers but others in the audience (and viewers of the recording :shifty:).

Kramer obviously didn't realize that those hecklers weren't just two black people in a sea of KKK audience members.:dry:

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Another good point.

Hey, if calling someone "nigger" is bad for some, it should be bad for all, yes?

Or are we gonna fuck around with the meaning of the word "equality", too?

If black-on-black use of the word is okay, then other contexts are legitimate as well.

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No it isn't.

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Another good point.

Hey, if calling someone "nigger" is bad for some, it should be bad for all, yes?

Or are we gonna fuck around with the meaning of the word "equality", too?

If black-on-black use of the word is okay, then other contexts are legitimate as well.

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No it isn't.

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Yes, they are, which is to say that in the context of black-on-black, use of the word is illegitimate, whether you as a black man do it or not.

You doing it and being "okay" with it does not make it right, and being black does not entitle you to some lame-ass proprietary claim to it's use.

Further, I would extend the same caveat to the habit of black men of using the terms "bitch" (and it's vernacular variations, such as "biatch) and "ho" to refer to their women.

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No it isn't.

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Yes, they are, which is to say that in the context of black-on-black, use of the word is illegitimate, whether you as a black man do it or not.

You doing it and being "okay" with it does not make it right, and being black does not entitle you to some lame-ass proprietary claim to it's use.

Further, I would extend the same caveat to the habit of black men of using the terms "bitch" (and it's vernacular variations, such as "biatch) and "ho" to refer to their women.

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Person A calls Person B out of their name and Person B is cool with it.

Person A and B don't a give a fuck what you think nor would they care if their speech was legitimized by you. It's legitimized by them and that's all that matters since it's their convo.

Bitch and ho aren't just used by black men. It's probably safe to say you haven't the slightest idea what black men call their women. Citing some references in the media doesn't make it a "black men habit".

Maybe you should let this subject pass by your radar. You are starting to sound like the clueless guy right now.

The way one talks to another has to do with exactly who they are talking to. I couldn't talk to your wife the way you do. I couldn't scold your daughter.

I could also call my friends motherfucker and they not be offended. Could you do the same? No, you'd get your ass kicked.

Would your argument be, "Well Busy called you a motherfucker so I'm entitled tooooo."

Fuck no.

You know it makes sense.

edit: FYI: Ho's are cumbuckets (and nothing more) and bitches are well....women that are assholes.

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Yes, they are, which is to say that in the context of black-on-black, use of the word is illegitimate, whether you as a black man do it or not.

You doing it and being "okay" with it does not make it right, and being black does not entitle you to some lame-ass proprietary claim to it's use.

Further, I would extend the same caveat to the habit of black men of using the terms "bitch" (and it's vernacular variations, such as "biatch) and "ho" to refer to their women.

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Person A calls Person B out of their name and Person B is cool with it.

Person A and B don't a give a fuck what you think nor would they care if their speech was legitimized by you. It's legitimized by them and that's all that matters since it's their convo.

Bitch and ho aren't just used by black men. It's probably safe to say you haven't the slightest idea what black men call their women. Citing some references in the media doesn't make it a "black men habit".

Maybe you should let this subject pass by your radar. You are starting to sound like the clueless guy right now.

The way one talks to another has to do with exactly who they are talking to. I couldn't talk to your wife the way you do. I couldn't scold your daughter.

I could also call my friends motherfucker and they not be offended. Could you do the same? No, you'd get your ass kicked.

Would your argument be, "Well Busy called you a motherfucker so I'm entitled tooooo."

Fuck no.

You know it makes sense.

edit: FYI: Ho's are cumbuckets (and nothing more) and bitches are well....women that are assholes.

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saying that though. can't you see that this kramer guy was only trying to be as offensive as possible to this one, or few people? the other audience members were really just the third party

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A much better clip here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufHYw-W6j4

I think the above clip pretty much sums it up tbh.

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How is that a much better clip?

It's the aftermath on David Letterman.:blink:

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A much better clip here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufHYw-W6j4

I think the above clip pretty much sums it up tbh.

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How is that a much better clip?

It's the aftermath on David Letterman.:blink:

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It's the same clip as you posted, but I can actually see it. The one on the site you linked was blurry as hell.

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How is that a much better clip?

It's the aftermath on David Letterman.:blink:

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It's the same clip as you posted, but I can actually see it. The one on the site you linked was blurry as hell.

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Hmmm I saw David Letterman and now it's been removed.

Why was someone secretly filming him anyway,was it some kind of set up.
Isn't it illegal to film performers at theses places, :whistling:

The letterman apology was almost more painful to watch than the actual incident.

Who uses the term "afro-american" anymore?

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Yes, they are, which is to say that in the context of black-on-black, use of the word is illegitimate, whether you as a black man do it or not.

You doing it and being "okay" with it does not make it right, and being black does not entitle you to some lame-ass proprietary claim to it's use.

Further, I would extend the same caveat to the habit of black men of using the terms "bitch" (and it's vernacular variations, such as "biatch) and "ho" to refer to their women.

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Person A calls Person B out of their name and Person B is cool with it.

Person A and B don't a give a fuck what you think nor would they care if their speech was legitimized by you. It's legitimized by them and that's all that matters since it's their convo.

Bitch and ho aren't just used by black men. It's probably safe to say you haven't the slightest idea what black men call their women. Citing some references in the media doesn't make it a "black men habit".

Maybe you should let this subject pass by your radar. You are starting to sound like the clueless guy right now.

The way one talks to another has to do with exactly who they are talking to. I couldn't talk to your wife the way you do. I couldn't scold your daughter.

I could also call my friends motherfucker and they not be offended. Could you do the same? No, you'd get your ass kicked.

Would your argument be, "Well Busy called you a motherfucker so I'm entitled tooooo."

Fuck no.

You know it makes sense.

edit: FYI: Ho's are cumbuckets (and nothing more) and bitches are well....women that are assholes.

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I though the term in question was "nigger".

If the word is presumed offensive due to it's historical context (and it is, isn't it?), then why is it okay for blacks to use but not whites?

Use of the term incites and evokes offense among blacks when used by whites, right?

Suppose you were in a restaurant and just around the corner, out of your sight, but certainly within earshot, you hear a voice say, "That nigger is a fool", and several other like comments in a way that doesn't indicate any sense of propriety or place.

What do you do?

Keep in mind, this is a generic voice - could be whitey, but maybe not.

Are you gonna step up on a brother and break up his "convo"?

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Person A calls Person B out of their name and Person B is cool with it.

Person A and B don't a give a fuck what you think nor would they care if their speech was legitimized by you. It's legitimized by them and that's all that matters since it's their convo.

Bitch and ho aren't just used by black men. It's probably safe to say you haven't the slightest idea what black men call their women. Citing some references in the media doesn't make it a "black men habit".

Maybe you should let this subject pass by your radar. You are starting to sound like the clueless guy right now.

The way one talks to another has to do with exactly who they are talking to. I couldn't talk to your wife the way you do. I couldn't scold your daughter.

I could also call my friends motherfucker and they not be offended. Could you do the same? No, you'd get your ass kicked.

Would your argument be, "Well Busy called you a motherfucker so I'm entitled tooooo."

Fuck no.

You know it makes sense.

edit: FYI: Ho's are cumbuckets (and nothing more) and bitches are well....women that are assholes.

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I though the term in question was "nigger".

If the word is presumed offensive due to it's historical context (and it is, isn't it?), then why is it okay for blacks to use but not whites?

Use of the term incites and evokes offense among blacks when used by whites, right?

Suppose you were in a restaurant and just around the corner, out of your sight, but certainly within earshot, you hear a voice say, "That nigger is a fool", and several other like comments in a way that doesn't indicate any sense of propriety or place.

What do you do?

Keep in mind, this is a generic voice - could be whitey, but maybe not.

Are you gonna step up on a brother and break up his "convo"?

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What the hell? What "brother"?

In this historical context did blacks persecute blacks cos of their skin?

Is it ok for me to talk to your wife anywhichaway I feel?

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The letterman apology was almost more painful to watch than the actual incident.

Who uses the term "afro-american" anymore?

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:lol: I was thinking the same thing.

Afro is a hairstyle.

Tbh, I don't like the term African-American either.

I ain't from Africa.:ermm: Maybe, even with the inclusion of Pangea Theory, it can be determined that all humans started in what is now Africa, but it doesn't quite work out to call everyone African-American.:ermm:

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I though the term in question was "nigger".

If the word is presumed offensive due to it's historical context (and it is, isn't it?), then why is it okay for blacks to use but not whites?

Use of the term incites and evokes offense among blacks when used by whites, right?

Suppose you were in a restaurant and just around the corner, out of your sight, but certainly within earshot, you hear a voice say, "That nigger is a fool", and several other like comments in a way that doesn't indicate any sense of propriety or place.

What do you do?

Keep in mind, this is a generic voice - could be whitey, but maybe not.

Are you gonna step up on a brother and break up his "convo"?

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What the hell? What "brother"?

In this historical context did blacks persecute blacks cos of their skin?

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Is it or is it not your position that you would be righteously offended (to the point of trying to "kick someone's ass") by a white person using a term which is in no way offensive if uttered by a black person?

BTW-

Why don't you do yourself proud and answer my question plainly?

If you do, I promise to be as effusive in praising you as you were with me.

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What the hell? What "brother"?

In this historical context did blacks persecute blacks cos of their skin?

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Is it or is it not your position that you would be righteously offended (to the point of trying to "kick someone's ass") by a white person using a term which is in no way offensive if uttered by a black person?

BTW-

Why don't you do yourself proud and answer my question plainly?

If you do, I promise to be as effusive in praising you as you were with me.

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I have no problem with plainly answering questions....save the brother shit though.

That is not my position, btw. Save the praise. It's not my thing.

Do yourself proud and ask questions plainly to get answers in kind.

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If the word is presumed offensive due to it's historical context (and it is, isn't it?), then why is it okay for blacks to use but not whites?

Use of the term incites and evokes offense among blacks when used by whites, right?

Suppose you were in a restaurant, and just around the corner, out of your sight, but certainly within earshot, you hear a voice say, "That nigger is a fool", and several other like comments in a way that doesn't indicate any sense of propriety or place.

What do you do?

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Is it or is it not your position that you would be righteously offended (to the point of trying to "kick someone's ass") by a white person using a term which is in no way offensive if uttered by a black person?

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I have no problem with plainly answering questions....

Do yourself proud and ask questions plainly to get answers in kind.

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Hmmm.

In reviewing, I see your dilemma.

The intricate/arcane/nuanced wording of my questions must have you, um........flummoxed.

Never mind, then.

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Sure but the talk around "the watercooler" at work doesn't have these hecklers made out to be victims at all. In fact I haven't heard such a thing (I'm sure it might be out there....somewhere).

The consensus around people I know is basically, "Kramer can kiss my ass, the motherfucker." The hecklers aren't a second thought.

Furthermore, heckling does not give a comedian carte blanche to say whateverthefuck. A comedian must remember that he is ultimately there to entertain and that he might not just grossly offend hecklers but others in the audience (and viewers of the recording :shifty:).

Kramer obviously didn't realize that those hecklers weren't just two black people in a sea of KKK audience members.:dry:

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Just heard that the two hecklers have asked him to meet with them and a retired judge so they can discuss possible compensation for pain and suffering, and if he refuses they are threatening to take him to court for the damages :ermm: