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China shoots down satellite
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- China last week successfully used a missile to destroy an orbiting satellite, U.S. government officials told CNN on Thursday, in a test that could undermine relations with the West and pose a threat to satellites important to the U.S. military.
According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The missile carried a "kill vehicle" and destroyed the satellite by ramming it.
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Another case of US arrogance? They did the same thing in 1985, and were\are developing space weapons. The US have any number of satellites in orbit that are used constantly to direct laser guided bombs.
Look at this piece of arrogance ..
Under a space policy authorized by President Bush in August, the United States asserts a right to "freedom of action in space" and says it will "deter others from either impeding those rights or developing capabilities intended to do so."
The policy includes the right to "deny, if necessary, adversaries the use of space capabilities hostile to U.S. national interests."
Who the fuck do they think they are? They assert the right to use space for their own purposes and deny another country the right to defend themselves?
If Europe doesn't get up off it's arse, drop the US, and become a superpower in it's own right, the world will be in for another arms race and resulting cold war, with all that entails. They have proved beyond any doubt that a single superpower is more dangerous than two, or even three.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- China last week successfully used a missile to destroy an orbiting satellite, U.S. government officials told CNN on Thursday, in a test that could undermine relations with the West and pose a threat to satellites important to the U.S. military.
According to a spokesman for the National Security Council, the ground-based, medium-range ballistic missile knocked an old Chinese weather satellite from its orbit about 537 miles above Earth. The missile carried a "kill vehicle" and destroyed the satellite by ramming it.
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Another case of US arrogance? They did the same thing in 1985, and were\are developing space weapons. The US have any number of satellites in orbit that are used constantly to direct laser guided bombs.
Look at this piece of arrogance ..
Under a space policy authorized by President Bush in August, the United States asserts a right to "freedom of action in space" and says it will "deter others from either impeding those rights or developing capabilities intended to do so."
The policy includes the right to "deny, if necessary, adversaries the use of space capabilities hostile to U.S. national interests."
Who the fuck do they think they are? They assert the right to use space for their own purposes and deny another country the right to defend themselves?
Where does that say we are denying anyone the right to defend their country in respect to space ventures?
I don't find it unreasonable to "assert" ourselves against another countries hostile activities towards our country. :dabs:
If Europe doesn't get up off it's arse, drop the US, and become a superpower in it's own right, the world will be in for another arms race and resulting cold war, with all that entails. They have proved beyond any doubt that a single superpower is more dangerous than two, or even three.
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bush is really into holywood, he think since all aliens 1st attack USA and they're the one to defeat them he owns the space.
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Skizo
Where does that say we are denying anyone the right to defend their country in respect to space ventures?
Why did the US complain about China doing something they themselves have done?
How about this ..
"If we, for instance, got into a conflict over Taiwan, one of the first things they'd probably do would be to shoot down all of our lower Earth-orbit spy satellites, putting out our eyes," said John Pike of globalsecurity.org, a Web site that compiles information on worldwide security issues.
This is the US admitting they have low Earth spy satellites over China, then complaining when the Chinese develop the capacity to bring them down.
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Skizo
I don't find it unreasonable to "assert" ourselves against another countries hostile activities towards our country. :dabs:
Hostile activities? Protecting themselves against your hostile activities is hardly hostile.
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Why did the US complain about China doing something they themselves have done?
First, let me say that I didn't hear any of this today so all I've got to go on is what you've posted.
If the US got "upset" about it, I would like to believe that it is with merit. Did China notify surrounding nations, UN, anyone that it would be launching an interstellar missile? A courtesy call of sorts to be certain no one got their finger close to "the button"? Did the US when we did it? I dunno, but it seems the right thing to do either way.
It certainly doesn't seem that anyone got their panties in a bunch though.
How about this ..
"If we, for instance, got into a conflict over Taiwan, one of the first things they'd probably do would be to shoot down all of our lower Earth-orbit spy satellites, putting out our eyes," said John Pike of globalsecurity.org, a Web site that compiles information on worldwide security issues.
This is the US admitting they have low Earth spy satellites over China, then complaining when the Chinese develop the capacity to bring them down.
Is it? OK, but you made it seem as if we have satellites simply hovering over them just waiting to make a move. These satellites may be a bit secretive in nature, but believe me, China knows they're there. We're not shocking them with that statement. They are circling the Earth 100's of times a day and are essentially the same distance over plenty of other countries as well in their daily loops.
Do you think that China has no "low Earth satellites"? I'm sure that would be one of our first moves as well.
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Skizo
I don't find it unreasonable to "assert" ourselves against another countries hostile activities towards our country. :dabs:
Hostile activities? Protecting themselves against your hostile activities is hardly hostile.
What? This is so far off the bag/topic/point I don't know where to start. :wacko:
I'll just leave it at this - What did we (USA) do in this that was so hostile? :huh:
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Mr Johndroe said the US "believes China's development and testing of such weapons is inconsistent with the spirit of co-operation that both countries aspire to in the civil space area".
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While the US may be unhappy about China's actions, the Washington administration has recently opposed international calls to end such tests.
It revised US space policy last October to state that Washington had the right to freedom of action in space, and the US is known to be researching such "satellite-killing" weapons itself.
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Mr Johndroe should probably shut his mouth as they're not doing anything that USA isn't planning on doing, they should probably all cut it out though as the space debris will cause havoc up their and if it ruins my TV watching I'll be pissed.
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I'll just leave it at this - What did we (USA) do in this that was so hostile? :huh:
USA opposes calls to end such tests and is planning on using such technology itself. China, as the world's next superpower, will obviously want to keep up.
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MCHeshPants420
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While the US may be unhappy about China's actions, the Washington administration has recently opposed international calls to end such tests.
It revised US space policy last October to state that Washington had the right to freedom of action in space, and the US is known to be researching such "satellite-killing" weapons itself.
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Mr Johndroe should probably shut his mouth as they're not doing anything that USA isn't planning on doing, they should probably all cut it out though as the space debris will cause havoc up their and if it ruins my
TV watching I'll be pissed.
I thought you was pissed when you watched TV.:)
Sorry, I forgot this was the Drawing Room. I should have said we are already getting the shit on TV.
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Skizo
Did China notify surrounding nations, UN, anyone that it would be launching an interstellar missile?
Why do you bring up things that no-one has mentioned? If you have no argument why not just say nothing, or do some research.
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Skizo
I don't find it unreasonable to "assert" ourselves against another countries hostile activities towards our country. :dabs:
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Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
Hostile activities? Protecting themselves against your hostile activities is hardly hostile.
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Skizo
What? This is so far off the bag/topic/point I don't know where to start. :wacko:
Really? So if the US and China went to war over Taiwan that wouldn't be hostile? And they would have no right to respond? Do you ever think before you post?
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Originally Posted by
Skizo
Did China notify surrounding nations, UN, anyone that it would be launching an interstellar missile?
That would be a dopey thing to do, considering there's no such thing as an interstellar missile. :dabs:
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Skizo
Does the US have geo-stationary spy satellites over China? (Not sure myself just asking) but if they do then China might well want to develop such a capability.
The US like any big power likes to have a monoploy and tends to grumble if anyone plays catch up. I am not sure that China will take much notice of the grumbles to be honest.
Although Europe comes in for criticism from the US for not spending huge sums on defence when we did put together a rather neat spy satellite package of our own, which has a higher resolution than the current now quite elderly Pentagon system. the Pentagon said it was "unhelpful"
in Europe we were :idunno: followed by :dabs:
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Billy, you seem to think the world is a fair place. You have this wild notion that "gollygeewillickers, everyone should be on even footing no matter what."
Do you think Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt should have this capability too? How about long range nuclear capability?
Your country, Australia, lodged a protest too.
I really wish (after I'm dead and long gone of course) that the US and it's allies would take a hands off approach with this stuff and let these things take it's course.
"If the US has it, they should be able to have it" is your logic.
I'm not saying the world would fall flat on it's ass but I'm saying it'll very "fair", like you want it.
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Busyman
Billy, you seem to think the world is a fair place. You have this wild notion that "gollygeewillickers, everyone should be on even footing no matter what."
Do you think Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt should have this capability too? How about long range nuclear capability?
Your country, Australia, lodged a protest too.
I really wish (after I'm dead and long gone of course) that the US and it's allies would take a hands off approach with this stuff and let these things take it's course.
"If the US has it, they should be able to have it" is your logic.
I'm not saying the world would fall flat on it's ass but I'm saying it'll very "fair", like you want it.
The USA thinks that it is OK for Israel to have this capbility. Why the change in attitude for them(Israel)?
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Barbarossa
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Originally Posted by
Skizo
Did China notify surrounding nations, UN, anyone that it would be launching an interstellar missile?
That would be a dopey thing to do, considering there's no such thing as an interstellar missile. :dabs:
interstellar - "to be among or between the stars" A missile in space is "among the stars". Fuck off.
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Skizo
Does the US have geo-stationary spy satellites over China? (Not sure myself just asking) but if they do then China might well want to develop such a capability.
The US like any big power likes to have a monoploy and tends to grumble if anyone plays catch up. I am not sure that China will take much notice of the grumbles to be honest.
Although Europe comes in for criticism from the US for not spending huge sums on defence when we did put together a rather neat spy satellite package of our own, which has a higher resolution than the current now quite elderly Pentagon system. the Pentagon said it was "unhelpful"
in Europe we were followed by
I'm not sure either, but I wouldn't blame them having them, nor would I blame any country for setting up such defensive measures.
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bigboab
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Originally Posted by
Busyman
Billy, you seem to think the world is a fair place. You have this wild notion that "gollygeewillickers, everyone should be on even footing no matter what."
Do you think Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt should have this capability too? How about long range nuclear capability?
Your country, Australia, lodged a protest too.
I really wish (after I'm dead and long gone of course) that the US and it's allies would take a hands off approach with this stuff and let these things take it's course.
"If the US has it, they should be able to have it" is your logic.
I'm not saying the world would fall flat on it's ass but I'm saying it'll very "fair", like you want it.
The USA thinks that it is OK for Israel to have this capbility. Why the change in attitude for them(Israel)?
The USA also thinks it is OK for the UK to have it. What's your point?
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Originally Posted by
Skizo
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Originally Posted by biggles
Skizo
Does the US have geo-stationary spy satellites over China? (Not sure myself just asking) but if they do then China might well want to develop such a capability.
The US like any big power likes to have a monoploy and tends to grumble if anyone plays catch up. I am not sure that China will take much notice of the grumbles to be honest.
Although Europe comes in for criticism from the US for not spending huge sums on defence when we did put together a rather neat spy satellite package of our own, which has a higher resolution than the current now quite elderly Pentagon system. the Pentagon said it was "unhelpful"
in Europe we were followed by
I'm not sure either, but I wouldn't blame them having them, nor would I blame any country for setting up such
defensive measures.
If a spy satellite sends you back information which enables you to target your interstellar missiles on military bases and such, then it's more of an offensive measure than a defensive one :dabs:
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Originally Posted by
Skizo
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Originally Posted by
Barbarossa
That would be a dopey thing to do, considering there's no such thing as an interstellar missile. :dabs:
interstellar - "to be among or between the stars" A missile in space is "among the stars". Fuck off.
:noes:
It was a ballistic missile.
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Busyman
Billy, you seem to think the world is a fair place. .
And you seem to think the US owns the whole fucking planet and the space that surrounds it ... so what's your point?
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Busyman
Do you think Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt should have this capability too? How about long range nuclear capability?
Why not, what business is it of yours?
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interstellar - "to be among or between the stars" A missile in space is "among the stars". Fuck off.
I just went for an interstellar walk down the shop.
Interstellar - "to be among or between the stars". The shop is on earth and that's "among the stars". Fuck off.
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The passage of the missile, or my walk, would have to be between two stars (or, more correctly, between two solar systems) for it to be interstellar.
Think of it like an intercontinental flight. It's not intercontinental if it's from Washington to LA, because even tho' technically it's flying in airspace that's between the continents of Asia and Europe, it's not flying to a different continent, but it is intercontinental if it's from Washington to Cardiff.
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MCHeshPants420
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Originally Posted by
Skizo
interstellar - "to be among or between the stars" A missile in space is "among the stars". Fuck off.
:noes:
Good enough for the Hall of Fame? :)
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manker
but it is intercontinental if it's from Washington to Cardiff.
Cardiff is a continent now? Why wasn't I told?
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Ava Estelle
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manker
but it is intercontinental if it's from Washington to Cardiff.
Cardiff is a continent now? Why wasn't I told?
Why don't you take me thro' the thought process that led you to the conclusion that I was inferring that Cardiff was a continent rather than merely being on a different one to Washington.
Don't get me wrong, I totally love reading your stuff about why we should all hate America - but I feel this change in tack will give regular visitors to the board a valuable insight into your psyche.
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I think the whole thing is just saber rattling.
China is reacting exactly how any major power would. No power is going to leave itself vulnerable if it can avoid it and no country is going to be happy at not having an advantage.
I get the point entirely about the "do as we say not as we do" attitude. It's just one part of our foreign policy that we are apparently not allowed to raise because it means we are blaming America and think we deserve what we get.
It raises my ire when I hear anyone from this administration avoid responsibility for anything by saying "Nobody could have predicted" or"nobody expected"............. Sorry but lots of people expected and predicted, but when they said it they were called surrender monkeys, terrorist sympathizers or just traitors that want America to lose.
I always think the best way to approach things like this is to ask ourselves how we would feel if the shoe was on the other foot.
I don't think china has spy satellites over the US. If it did we would have heard about it by now and there would be full international protest or it would have been taken out if not by missile then by NASA.
It's all part of the game. The way it's played is so silly it would be funny.........except there's nothing to laugh about. :(
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manker
Why don't you take me thro' the thought process that led you to the conclusion that I was inferring that Cardiff was a continent rather than merely being on a different one to Washington.
Why don't you take me thro' the thought process that led you use Washington and Cardiff as an example of intercontinental travel, as opposed to, say, America and Europe?
Don't get me wrong, I totally love reading your stuff about nothing in particular - but I feel this change in tack will give regular visitors to the board a valuable insight into your psyche.
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Ava Estelle
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manker
Why don't you take me thro' the thought process that led you to the conclusion that I was inferring that Cardiff was a continent rather than merely being on a different one to Washington.
Why don't you take me thro' the thought process that led you use Washington and Cardiff as an example of intercontinental travel, as opposed to, say, America and Europe?
Don't get me wrong, I totally love reading your stuff about nothing in particular - but I feel this change in tack will give regular visitors to the board a valuable insight into your psyche.
Everyone knows that Washington is in N. America and everyone knows that Cardiff is in Europe. It makes little difference which example I used.
Btw, I'm taking your rather poor deflection as a 'no'.
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Busyman
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bigboab
The USA thinks that it is OK for Israel to have this capbility. Why the change in attitude for them(Israel)?
The USA also thinks it is OK for the UK to have it. What's your point?
The USA could not stop the UK from having this capability without the UK replying in kind. It can definately stop Israel. Instead it vetoes any attempt of the UN to censure Israel. Why should all the other middle eastern states not be allowed the same capabilities that Israel has. Not that I want anyone to have these capabilities.
P.S Our near neighbours also have the 'bomb'.
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Biggles
Skizo
Does the US have geo-stationary spy satellites over China? (Not sure myself just asking) but if they do then China might well want to develop such a capability.
geostationary is only possible above the equator, and china isn't above the equator...
Low earth orbit ones go all over the shop, i would be surprised if none of the US ones go over China
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Ava Estelle
And you seem to think the US owns the whole fucking planet and the space that surrounds it ... so what's your point?
Not at all.
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Busyman
Do you think Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt should have this capability too? How about long range nuclear capability?
Why not, what business is it of yours?
I rest my case.:smilie4:
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vidcc
I think the whole thing is just saber rattling.
China is reacting exactly how any major power would. No power is going to leave itself vulnerable if it can avoid it and no country is going to be happy at not having an advantage.
I get the point entirely about the "do as we say not as we do" attitude. It's just one part of our foreign policy that we are apparently not allowed to raise because it means we are blaming America and think we deserve what we get.
It raises my ire when I hear anyone from this administration avoid responsibility for anything by saying "Nobody could have predicted" or"nobody expected"............. Sorry but lots of people expected and predicted, but when they said it they were called surrender monkeys, terrorist sympathizers or just traitors that want America to lose.
I always think the best way to approach things like this is to ask ourselves how we would feel if the shoe was on the other foot.
I don't think china has spy satellites over the US. If it did we would have heard about it by now and there would be full international protest or it would have been taken out if not by missile then by NASA.
It's all part of the game. The way it's played is so silly it would be funny.........except there's nothing to laugh about. :(
See, he does it occassionaly, that's why I love him.
Good post vid.
Or has your account been haxored again :cry:
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manker
Everyone knows that Washington is in N. America
Does North America count as a continent in it's own right now? Why wasn't I told?
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manker
Btw, I'm taking your rather poor deflection as a 'no'.
Don't worry, I'm sure your superiority complex will recover.
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Ava Estelle
Does North America count as a continent in it's own right now? Why wasn't I told?
Pretty basic stuff. You weren't told in like 4th grade? :dabs:
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Bloody 'merkins, so arrogant they name their continent after themselves.
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Originally Posted by
Ava Estelle
Does North America count as a continent in it's own right now? Why wasn't I told?
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Originally Posted by
manker
Btw, I'm taking your rather poor deflection as a 'no'.
Don't worry, I'm sure your superiority complex will recover.
That's just rubbish, I remember you used to be OK at this sort of thing.
Awaits predictable Glasgow / Cardiff / Mafia set piece. Or possibly ... wait ... you haven't done Alcoholic and Heroin Addict for ages.
Ava < Billy. Fact
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Skizo
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Ava Estelle
Does North America count as a continent in it's own right now? Why wasn't I told?
Pretty basic stuff. You weren't told in like 4th grade? :dabs:
Are you saying that North America is one of the world's SIX continents? Maybe you should have paid attention in the 4th grade!
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That's just rubbish, I remember you used to be OK at this sort of thing.
Awaits predictable Glasgow / Cardiff / Mafia set piece. Or possibly ... wait ... you haven't done Alcoholic and Heroin Addict for ages.
You know what I like most about you? Of all the so-called christians on here, you're the one who wears their religion on their sleeve, you then go out of your way to be as un-christian as you can ... this really appeals to my anti-religious leanings, and my belief in the inherent hypocrisy of christians.
JP < Fugely < JPaul < Chip Monk < J'Pol. Fact.
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Ava Estelle
You know what I like most about you? Of all the so-called christians on here, you're the one who wears their religion on their sleeve, you then go out of your way to be as un-christian as you can ... this really appeals to my anti-religious leanings, and my belief in the inherent hypocrisy of christians.
JP < Fugely < JPaul < Chip Monk < J'Pol. Fact.
:lol:
That's even worse. FFS where's your spunk gone man. The best you can come up with is that me slagging off your crap patter is un-christian and demonstrates the hypocrisy of christianity.
Really, V Poor effort. You should be ashamed. You'll end up getting re-banned for being inane at this rate.
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Mr JP Fugley
Really, V Poor effort. You should be ashamed. You'll end up getting re-banned for being inane at this rate.
Is that the best you can do? Age hasn't been good to you JP. :lol:
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Ava Estelle
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Mr JP Fugley
Really, V Poor effort. You should be ashamed. You'll end up getting re-banned for being inane at this rate.
Is that the best you can do? Age hasn't been good to you JP. :lol:
I thought it was quite funny actually, particularly with me being in my dotage..
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Mr JP Fugley
... particularly with me being in my dotage..
Is that how you categorise your stalking of me ... a foolish infatuation?
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There appears to be some of the signs of madness on display in this thread
[youtube]xlv3B1078PA[/youtube]
:shifty: ;)
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Ava Estelle
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Mr JP Fugley
... particularly with me being in my dotage..
Is that how you categorise your stalking of me ... a foolish infatuation?
Stalking you, another classic.
If you didn't exist we'd have to make you.
