Smoke Or Not To Smoke

I am a smoker and from 2/5/07 in wales , smoking was banned in all public indoor spaces ,this also comes into effect 1/7/07 in england ,scotland started theres last year. Do you think pubs and clubs will lose out and end up closing? smokers i know say they wont bother going for a pint now and will drink at home so they can smoke in peace and outside the pubs the pavements are full of people running out for a quick fix blocking the pathway of ordinary pedestrians , the floors are littered with fag ends which dnt look good and extra road sweepers and health police are being employed .People are saying the goverment will lose millions of pounds so will taxs go up ? Do you agree with this move? Are you a smoker who feels persecuted by the new legislation? Or do you welcome it as a healthy step for society? Have your say.

I thought the Welsh prefered sheep..anyway...

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Originally Posted by thewizeard

I thought the Welsh prefered sheep..anyway...

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only the men folk not us women;)

haha :) nice one

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Originally Posted by bunny67

I am a smoker.

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That's disgusting. Especially for women. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...es/Ranting.gif So...stop.

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Originally Posted by Hairbautt

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Originally Posted by bunny67

I am a smoker.

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That's disgusting. Especially for women. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...es/Ranting.gif So...stop.

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I agree! i quit smoking almost 5 years ago!:01:

I am glad this ban is coming into effect, stops me from breathing other people focking smoke and why should i have to suffer because of their bad habits, if you wanna kill yourself dont take me down with you. Stopping will save you a small fortune also and you may see your kids grow old too :)

What ever happened tofree will ffs?

i think it's very strange that these smoking bans should be happening simultaneously(sp.?) in many parts of the world around the same time frame. what freedoms will we lose next? how about, the whole world has to conform to a dress code, would that be suitable?

Smoking is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by MediaSlayer

what freedoms will we lose next? how about, the whole world has to conform to a dress code, would that be suitable?

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Passive dressing, that would be a bad thing.

Smoke if you want, just don't make other people do it as well. In fact it's even better than that, the smoke from the lit end doesn't even go thro' the filter, so more tar and poisons.

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Originally Posted by MediaSlayer

what freedoms will we lose next? how about, the whole world has to conform to a dress code, would that be suitable?

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Yip we are all gonna be stripped and forced to wear borat clothes

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8025/boratws3.jpg

You like :lol:

Here in Vancouver, Canada, they banned smoking I think too a little while ago. They are even looking to ban in some public outdoor places as well.

Personally, I don't smoke and I can't stand the smell of cigarettes. It's fine for people to smoke in my opinion but I don't want to have to smell that stuff. Some smokers are good about it - they go find places to smoke where they won't bother other people. However, too many stand in the centre of bus shelters, outside buildings by the entrances or by vents, etc.

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Originally Posted by bunny67

outside the pubs the pavements are full of people running out for a quick fix blocking the pathway of ordinary pedestrians , the floors are littered with fag ends which dnt look good and extra road sweepers and health police are being employed

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Hmm... perhaps the authorities should enter all those establishments and issue "litterbug" fines to all the smokers, doesn't matter if they were seen littering as they are a sharing bunch. They complain they are not being allowed to share their smoke so they should be more than happy to share the litterbug fine as a compromise :shifty: ;)

Extra employment??????? I've heard the ban will increase unemployment. :unsure:

Private member only clubs that don't have open door policies should get an exemption though.

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Originally Posted by Bucktoof

Here in Vancouver, Canada, they banned smoking I think too a little while ago. They are even looking to ban in some public outdoor places as well.

Personally, I don't smoke and I can't stand the smell of cigarettes. It's fine for people to smoke in my opinion but I don't want to have to smell that stuff. Some smokers are good about it - they go find places to smoke where they won't bother other people. However, too many stand in the centre of bus shelters, outside buildings by the entrances or by vents, etc.

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In Scotland there are rules about how close to building entrances people can stand. To avoid passive smoking by people either entering or leaving the building. To be honest tho' that seems to be pretty much ignored. Tho' like you say some smokers are more considerate than others.

There are also rules regarding what constitutes an enclosed public space, Often bus shelters would fit into that category, depending on the shape and what percentage of the area is enclosed.

Everyone said that when they did that ban in ny that bars would lose money etc but it's bs... ppl still go to bars and everyone smokes outside. Period.

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Originally Posted by Mathea

Everyone said that when they did that ban in ny that bars would lose money etc but it's bs... ppl still go to bars and everyone smokes outside. Period.

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We have the same ban in Florida - no problems.

We're a dying breed literately , I'm most embarrassed when smoking outside at my boy's sporting events . When helping warm the team up or working the lines I won't smoke and if I must light up during a tight game ,when I not helping the coach I'll move away across the field from the kids and parents .


I quit smoking in the car with the kids but at home I have a computer room where its the only place I smoke . When I visit friends they put an ashtray outside for me if I must . Its called respect and it works both ways .

I have to disagree with most of you on this one, because im a smoker myself and i believe in free will, actually funny someone should mention the littering thing, because last week my brother went to catch a bus into town and when the bus came he threw his cigarette on the floor (as you do when the bus comes)

Next thing he knows 2 cops are grabbing him and giving him a 80 GBP ($160) On-The-Spot fine :(

He has got 3 children all under the age of 3 (1 is newborn), he doesnt work and the cops have to do something like that, so just for them doing that i tell ya im gonna smoke where ever i feel fit to do so, public place or not, I can see myself getting arrested every week for it (ahh just like the good old days lol)

If you smoke in an enclosed public place you will be fined, or the owner will be fined, or both of you will be fined.

You won't do it, because you won't be allowed to.

I fully support your right to smoke and kill yourself. Please carry on. However you don't have the right to make that choice for other people.

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Originally Posted by pipsta

He has got 3 children all under the age of 3 (1 is newborn), he doesnt work and the cops have to do something like that,

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Yet he can afford to smoke and complain if he gets a fine for littering :rolleyes:

Not to smoke but leave other smokers alone

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Originally Posted by peat moss

We're a dying breed literately,

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Yeah, but do you see how everyone is ganging up on the smokers? is almost like a freakin' witch hunt, i do agree that second hand smoke is bad, but here in the states, one of the first smoking bans to become famous was the california smoking ban, which banned it from pubs. my logic is this, if you are that terribly concerned about your health, why are you in a pub? you like the peanuts? most people drink in pubs, and yes i agree that's less invasive because unlike the smoke, that doesn't affect the non-drinking people in the pub. but i do think that a smoky pub is an incentive for the patrons not to stay there all day and drink their life away, which is a good incentive imo. other public places bans are different, i agree with those, except outdoor ones that's a little h4rsh considering the smoke mostly just goes up into the atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by MediaSlayer

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Originally Posted by peat moss

We're a dying breed literately,

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Yeah, but do you see how everyone is ganging up on the smokers? is almost like a freakin' witch hunt, i do agree that second hand smoke is bad, but here in the states, one of the first smoking bans to become famous was the california smoking ban, which banned it from pubs. my logic is this, if you are that terribly concerned about your health, why are you in a pub? you like the peanuts? most people drink in pubs, and yes i agree that's less invasive because unlike the smoke, that doesn't affect the non-drinking people in the pub. but i do think that a smoky pub is a good incentive for the patrons not to stay there all day and drink their life away, which is a good incentive imo. other public places bans are different, i agree with those, except outdoor ones that's a little h4rsh considering the smoke mostly just goes up into the atmosphere.

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+1 :yup:

There is nothing which is analogous with smoking.

So why do people keep trying to debate this issue by analogy.

I don't smoke !

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Originally Posted by JPaul

There is nothing which is analogous with smoking.

So why do people keep trying to debate this issue by analogy.

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You said it. :yup:

in the spirit of healthy debate, i'm going to have to disagree with this:

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Originally Posted by JPaul

There is nothing which is analogous with smoking.

So why do people keep trying to debate this issue by analogy.

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smoking is something that many people do, to lighten up and relax

drinking is something that many people do, to lighten up and relax



so the similarity is in the motivation, although the means are different

.."To be or not to be" that is actually the question...

i dont smoke...

why do people smoke ??? lol

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Originally Posted by bytetorrent

i dont smoke...

why do people smoke ??? lol

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It often happens during "spontaneous combustion".. The smoke a by-product, caused by insufficient oxygen... ?

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Originally Posted by MediaSlayer

in the spirit of healthy debate, i'm going to have to disagree with this:

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Originally Posted by JPaul

There is nothing which is analogous with smoking.

So why do people keep trying to debate this issue by analogy.

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smoking is something that many people do, to lighten up and relax

drinking is something that many people do, to lighten up and relax



so the similarity is in the motivation, although the means are different

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Have you ever sat in the same room as people drinking and become passively drunk, or subjected your liver to the dangers of alcohol. You are subjected to the dangers of smoking every time you sit in the same room as people who are smoking. The more smoking going on the more it effects you. The same cannot be said for sitting in a room where people are drinking.

A person who doesn't drink can go through their whole life without any of the physical effects of drinking. A person who does not smoke can die of throat cancer as a direct result of passive smoking

If us smokers have to go without a cigarette while we are out and about, they should make fat people
stay indoors, because fat people make me feel sick and seriously damages my mental health :P

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

Have you ever sat in the same room as people drinking and become passively drunk, or subjected your liver to the dangers of alcohol. You are subjected to the dangers of smoking every time you sit in the same room as people who are smoking. The more smoking going on the more it effects you. The same cannot be said for sitting in a room where people are drinking.

A person who doesn't drink can go through their whole life without any of the physical effects of drinking. A person who does not smoke can die of throat cancer as a direct result of passive smoking

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I get your point and you are correct, however if we were to able to compare the "innocent" deaths/injury attributed directly to both habits I'm guessing alcohol would win.:(

i used to enjoy my smokes but it got to the point i like breathing better but if someone said i was going to kick the bucket id go get a pack of smokes and light up caus i did enjoy em

smoking kills!

i used to like smoking cigs, but now have moved onto healthier drugs like morphine and heroin, which dont damage the internal organs, unless you are using street shit with impurities of course.

i want 2 stop smoking it is a bad fucking habit, but it's really hard 2 stop

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

Have you ever sat in the same room as people drinking and become passively drunk, or subjected your liver to the dangers of alcohol. You are subjected to the dangers of smoking every time you sit in the same room as people who are smoking. The more smoking going on the more it effects you. The same cannot be said for sitting in a room where people are drinking.

A person who doesn't drink can go through their whole life without any of the physical effects of drinking. A person who does not smoke can die of throat cancer as a direct result of passive smoking

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I get your point and you are correct, however if we were to able to compare the "innocent" deaths/injury attributed directly to both habits I'm guessing alcohol would win.:(

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Good point.

Binge drinking has become the scourge of the English (British?) town centres at night.

If they had only just invented alcohol, it would be a banned substance. I dunno what the answer is. :emo:

:huh:

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Originally Posted by KRink

i used to like smoking cigs, but now have moved onto healthier drugs like morphine and heroin, which dont damage the internal organs, unless you are using street shit with impurities of course.

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