Concerns about new secret trackers

So now we have all these cool new secret trackers, including ScN and RTS, which have evoked some of my concerns. I'm voicing my preliminary perceptions, which are parallel to those of many other FST users, so I've seen.

These trackers plead for so much privacy and only top notch users with high upload capabilities. Well then, why hype it so much in the BitTorrent forum? It's understandable that you want to inform users about the great potential of your tracker, but once people are interested in it, you strike the majority of them down from obtaining invites. Many users have pointed out that this raises the suspicion that this tracker was created only to try to get 5 stars in the WIAW thread.

Staff have apparently warned against any and all invite trading of these secret sites. That's excellent in terms of recruiting only great sharers, but why must you go parading around the BT Invites forum telling users not to trade them? The BT Invites forum is a trading spot for traders to trade invites for all assorted trackers, except for trackers that have specific invite deals with FST (periodically giving out invites in return for FST helping catch account traders). Do these new secret trackers have deals with FST? If not, then you should leave the forbidding of invite trading to your tracker. Meaning, if you catch any traders, then disable them in your tracker. Outside of your tracker, in these public forums, people can do whatever they want as long as it's in agreement with these forums' admins. I understand that you may be trying to warn these users, but why make these premature threats that "If" these traders get into your site, they'll be disabled? I know that you staff of these secret trackers are elite traders on FST. So know you can empathize with other tracker staff, but I find it extremely hypocritical that you can only impose these rules about your tracker after you've finished being such huge traders.

A note to all of you speculating about these trackers: You logically can't. You have to see how it actually plays out, not emptily predicting based on subjective information given to you from tracker insiders.

With that being said, I'd like to wish all the best to these trackers, and I hope that you outlive my perception of some of your faulty logistical tactics.

which tracker is ScN?

You got the point,
but all that typing was for nothing, noone will change his mind.

scn never hyped it in BT forum, it was kept quiet, users hyped on their own.

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Originally Posted by Corey

You got the point

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this thread doesn't really have a point

Actually, it does. I'm giving you my opinion of your marketing tactics. You may or may not agree, but I nevertheless enjoy voicing my opinion.

007: I agree, most of this thread, especially the hyping portion, is aimed at one tracker over the other. You may easily guess which one it is.

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Originally Posted by Shadowfire

Actually, it does. I'm giving you my opinion of your marketing tactics. You may or may not agree, but I nevertheless enjoy voicing my opinion.

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do you preach every time a tracker that has potential opens?

havnt seen many if not any topics on scn open by staff. RTS has over done it with thread after thread of crap. RTS has is one of the most desperate trackers i have ever seen, 90% of their staff have opened topics begging for users, its really quite a shame that its come to that, but i wouldnt be surprised if Rts was another ScP, on that note donate if you want but i wouldnt until i knew the tracker was there to stay.

Also

FTN & SCT & TL all you will ever need.


my 2 cents

Well I think it makes a point when the person who hyped up the other tracker by posting a Informative thread about the tracker is acctually a staff member on the tracker they promoted lmao

Call it conflict of interest if you will.
I personally would rather have a site rated/reviewed by actual users instead of by the sites own staff.

BTW I have nothing against either of the sites mentioned in this thread. In fact I left a few positive comments in the other threads about each site.

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do you preach every time a tracker that has potential opens?

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Heavens, no. I'd be full of myself if I did that. (Of course, not too many trackers hype themselves that much ... mostly just ScP and RTS.) I don't recall saying that your tracker has potential, however.

you can't tell how good a tracker is until a couple of months have passed anyway, the secret trackers know they need a big push to get them going to begin with. @ shadowfire you said
parading around the BT Invites forum telling users not to trade them?

i have'nt seen this can you post a link to that? and you can't make people not trade, you can only try to stop it by...well you know. :lol:

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/bitto...ing-rts-176307

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/bitto...tes-rts-176277

Knock yourself out.

I agree about the over-hype but I guess they need actual users in the end..

Yeah they do. When will the regular users without 100mb servers be able to get in.

or even crappy leeware users....???

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Originally Posted by phoenixfire

Yeah they do. When will the regular users without 100mb servers be able to get in.

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I am guessing they will do it once they find some uploaders that have access and fixs there code. :rolleyes:




Wild

What is the WIAW thread?

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What is the WIAW thread?

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What Invites Are Worth. You need to be able to access the invite section to read it.

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Originally Posted by Shadowfire

Staff have apparently warned against any and all invite trading of these secret sites. That's excellent in terms of recruiting only great sharers, but why must you go parading around the BT Invites forum telling users not to trade them? The BT Invites forum is a trading spot for traders to trade invites for all assorted trackers

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The paradox is so evident. Most, if not all, of the recruiting was made in the invite forum. Staff and users are mostly traders. Asking them not to trade invites is kind of surreal. Just like that thread when someone was trying to trade the other rts (if you believe him). What makes anyone think that these users wont jump ship as soon as somebody offers them sct or ftn? Or the site eventually doesnt live up to expectations.

I dont doubt that this might become a very good tracker. But the starting premisses are all wrong. The speed issue, the userbase selection, the over-hyping. It really looks like it's aimed at something other than making a great tracker. All seems so artificial. Looks truely built for the WIAW, which is the worst indication possible. I really hope i'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Friendly Fire

But the starting premisses are all wrong. The speed issue, the userbase selection, the over-hyping. It really looks like it's aimed at something other than making a great tracker. Looks truely built for the WIAW, which is the worst indication possible.

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kinda true

lets see what future brings

Most of this hyping is a direct result of the egoistical nature of the site's admins, who believe that parading around some screen shots will yield them instant respect. The sites do not want to labor and toil to achieve what ScT/FT* has, they believe they will be successful by default. Sadly, the masses follow this skewed notion by the amount of "Need RST" threads seen lately. As I have said before, the over hyping of trackers by admins causes them to die a rather quick and painful death, soon to be forgotten by all. (ScP anyone?)

Why worry about a site rank. The hole Ranking system that is used here is Point less anyways.

When starting a new site the last thing you should worry about is how the site will rank to some on FST. You should worry about getting members working out all the holes on that site as i have been told there is many and seen 1 first hand. Worry about how you will pay for the servers how will you take in donations to pay for these servers. The stupid ranking system should be last on there minds.


Also the other big joke is the fact that the staff of this site are big time account and invite traders, and yet they say they will ban anyone that trades there invites or trades there accounts. What a huge joke.


Also something i did was a whois on there url and got some other info. All you guys if you were smart would check this out before ever signing up at this site. For the ones that dont know its hosted in Dallas Texas. Yes thats right its hosted in the the USA, not to damn bright.


So far this site wont make it 2 months with the way they are going about it. Such a shame.



Wild

Hosted in the USA and advertised so blatantly? All the MPAA/RIAA has to do is type in "running the scene", lo and behold the 4th result is a nice description of the site [from this very forum] with key information. RTS makes the MPAA's job just too easy.

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Hosted in the USA and advertised so blatantly? All the MPAA/RIAA has to do is type in "running the scene", lo and behold the 4th result is a nice description of the site [from this very forum] with key information. RTS makes the MPAA's job just too easy.

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Yep if they were smart they would block search bots and add some meta tags and to top it off hide there faqs/rules page from out side members, if they want to make it so hidden. make them read the faqs and rules after they signup and login. have it set so they can not download untill they read them.



Wild

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Originally Posted by aburyach

Most of this hyping is a direct result of the egoistical nature of the site's admins, who believe that parading around some screen shots will yield them instant respect. The sites do not want to labor and toil to achieve what ScT/FT* has, they believe they will be successful by default. Sadly, the masses follow this skewed notion by the amount of "Need RST" threads seen lately. As I have said before, the over hyping of trackers by admins causes them to die a rather quick and painful death, soon to be forgotten by all. (ScP anyone?)

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Well, scp died because it was a big scam. But keeping a site too exclusive is always a bad thing. 5000 should be the minimum user limit for any tracker, and even that is pushing it, I think.:unsure: BTW this site is going, you might have 5000 users in the next 2000 years.

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Originally Posted by aburyach

Most of this hyping is a direct result of the egoistical nature of the site's admins, who believe that parading around some screen shots will yield them instant respect. The sites do not want to labor and toil to achieve what ScT/FT* has, they believe they will be successful by default. Sadly, the masses follow this skewed notion by the amount of "Need RST" threads seen lately. As I have said before, the over hyping of trackers by admins causes them to die a rather quick and painful death, soon to be forgotten by all. (ScP anyone?)

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Well, scp died because it was a big scam. But keeping a site too exclusive is always a bad thing. 5000 should be the minimum user limit for any tracker, and even that is pushing it, I think.:unsure: BTW this site is going, you might have 5000 users in the next 2000 years.

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well thats not really true..


I have a buddy that has a torrent site and its well hidden, as 2000 members and no ratio. and you dont see it talked about anywhere as its dont by invites and different rules. maxs members is 2000 and speeds are great and pre times are with in sec.

It comes down to what kind of site you want. If you can keep it private and keep it to your buddys only dont really matter the member base.



Wild

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Originally Posted by phoenixfire

Well, scp died because it was a big scam. But keeping a site too exclusive is always a bad thing. 5000 should be the minimum user limit for any tracker, and even that is pushing it, I think.:unsure: BTW this site is going, you might have 5000 users in the next 2000 years.

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well thats not really true..


I have a buddy that has a torrent site and its well hidden, as 2000 members and no ratio. and you dont see it talked about anywhere as its dont by invites and different rules. maxs members is 2000 and speeds are great and pre times are with in sec.

It comes down to what kind of site you want. If you can keep it private and keep it to your buddys only dont really matter the member base.



Wild

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No ratio? So it's a pure leech site?:huh:

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well thats not really true..


I have a buddy that has a torrent site and its well hidden, as 2000 members and no ratio. and you dont see it talked about anywhere as its dont by invites and different rules. maxs members is 2000 and speeds are great and pre times are with in sec.

It comes down to what kind of site you want. If you can keep it private and keep it to your buddys only dont really matter the member base.



Wild

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No ratio? So it's a pure leech site?:huh:

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I think the point is that the members can be trusted to seed back what they leech, especially if it's a tight-knit place. Ratios can be obtrusive and there's no need if there's not hitting and running.

i think that FTN is on the way to be a non-ratio site

btw,

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Also something i did was a whois on there url and got some other info. All you guys if you were smart would check this out before ever signing up at this site. For the ones that dont know its hosted in Dallas Texas. Yes thats right its hosted in the the USA, not to damn bright.
Wild

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Joke of the Millenium :D

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Originally Posted by wildbytes

well thats not really true..


I have a buddy that has a torrent site and its well hidden, as 2000 members and no ratio. and you dont see it talked about anywhere as its dont by invites and different rules. maxs members is 2000 and speeds are great and pre times are with in sec.

It comes down to what kind of site you want. If you can keep it private and keep it to your buddys only dont really matter the member base.



Wild

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No ratio? So it's a pure leech site?:huh:

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Nope

but it is a very tight group with very strick rules.



Wild

Wild, how many PMs asking for that site url have you received?

Zero


people i think know i would never give it out.




Wild

Let's just make a ranking system based on the tracker's CONTENT, SPEED, RELIABILITY, STAFF, MEMBERS, "COMMUNITY." Not this "rarity" bullshit.

I agree with ya, Shadow.

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Originally Posted by FalconsSB

Let's just make a ranking system based on the tracker's CONTENT, SPEED, RELIABILITY, STAFF, MEMBERS, "COMMUNITY." Not this "rarity" bullshit.

I agree with ya, Shadow.

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I think that the things you listed are what should be judged when determining if a tracker is good. However, trading works on a supply-and-demand system, so those that are more rare are "worth" more, and the ranking system is based on said "worth."

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Originally Posted by RTFM

I think that the things you listed are what should be judged when determining if a tracker is good. However, trading works on a supply-and-demand system, so those that are more rare are "worth" more, and the ranking system is based on said "worth."

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Ok.. say.. you have..

Tracker A: Rarity is top-notch, 3000 User Limit, Pre-times Good, Community very good, Content is not so good, Speed is crap (unless it is new stuff), Only a couple seeders/leechers per torrent on avg, Only new stuff - you can't download old stuff because it is only 0-Day and only "uploaders" can do it, No requests or re-ups. Also, only 1 invite per Extreme User (500GB upped, etc) for entire lifetime.

Tracker B: Rarity is OK, 20000 User Limit, Pre-times Amazing, Community a little lacking because of the size, but people know eachother, Content is Amazing, Speed is top-notch, New stuff AND old stuff, PU+s can upload their on ripped torrents upon request.

I'd rather have Tracker B in a heart beat. I doubt many people here actually cares about rarity over content. For example, neither OiNK, BitmeTV, nor TL are hard to get into (just be respectful, give back to the community, and they will come to you). They are definitely not based on rarity, rather, content and speed.

Oh, btw, I don't know how you max out at F*N on everything.. I downloaded a torrent about a day ago (TV series, season 1 DVD Rip), and I got 20kb/s until this dude came in with a 100kb/s connection to boost it up. :ermm:

I see what you're saying, but a tracker's quality will work itself into the demand aspect of the rarity ranking.

Rarity = hard to find, would you pay £500.00 for a spiderman comic, i wouldn't, but serious collectors would and they wouldn't even read the thing, and if there were 100 copies in circulation they would be worth much more if only one copy existed. also it depends on what everyone else thinks is rare not just one opinion.

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I see what you're saying, but a tracker's quality will work itself into the demand aspect of the rarity ranking.

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However, it is the opposite when the tracker WORKS for the rarity. For example, giving out invites once in a lifetime, never sharing the URL, only recruiting folks with fast connections, etc.

Catch my drift?

what you you want it to be another demonoid or arenabg? theres loads of sites already that have thousands of users with big adverts for penis enlargement. :dabs:

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what you you want it to be another demonoid or arenabg?

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Did I ever insist on no ratio rules, crappy staff, no user limit, etc?

I don't think so.. :P