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When the truth comes out?'cause i'm really bored to hear bulshit.
But does anyone actually know the whole truth?Quote:
Originally posted by sharedholder@16 June 2003 - 07:34
When the truth comes out?'cause i'm really bored to hear bulshit.
Or are the people who knew the truth now dead?
This thread needs one of those "magic" bullets. <_<
Would that be one of the ones where half (im sure its more, someone please tell me!) of the Kennedy's have fallen under?Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4@16 June 2003 - 14:54
This thread needs one of those "magic" bullets. <_<
Or sorry, it was a plane crash, right?
CBB,
How interested can you be in a subject that you clearly know nothing about?
Just curious.
It's 40 years since JFK and still people wonder about the truth..
I wonder if we'll still be wondering about the "truth" of Saddams WMD's in 2043...
:lol:
not very interestedQuote:
Originally posted by clocker@16 June 2003 - 15:09
CBB,
How interested can you be in a subject that you clearly know nothing about?
Just curious.
I would, however, like to know more without having to have people being rude to me.
That seems to be hard on this board, though....
Oh well....
:lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by barbarossa@16 June 2003 - 15:17
It's 40 years since JFK and still people wonder about the truth..
I wonder if we'll still be wondering about the "truth" of Saddams WMD's in 2043...
:lol:
Well who knows the entire truth then ?!
ok clocker enlighten us with your encyclopeadic unfaultering mind :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by clocker@16 June 2003 - 15:09
CBB,
How interested can you be in a subject that you clearly know nothing about?
Just curious.
ok clocker enlighten us with your encyclopeadic unfaultering mind :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by TheDave+16 June 2003 - 15:28--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheDave @ 16 June 2003 - 15:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@16 June 2003 - 15:09
CBB,
How interested can you be in a subject that you clearly know nothing about?
Just curious.
Yep i agree.
I apologise on dave's behalf if he made any spelling mistakes, as im not sure if he did.
*EDIT* - I hope dave doesnt mind. Sorry! :rolleyes:
its good going if i didnt, but you immedietly get put down in here for having an oppinion. its annoying especially if its more valid than theirs. (if that makes sense)
He did.
Apology accepted.
:lol:Quote:
Originally posted by TheDave@16 June 2003 - 15:33
its good going if i didnt, but you immedietly get put down in here for having an oppinion. its annoying especially if its more valid than theirs. (if that makes sense)
yeah mate, its laughable.
thanks for accepting my apology clocker.
Are you by any chance going to apologise for being rude to me (i am referring to the previous 2 occasions also where you have not apologised)?
Looks like we arnt finding out more about JFK in here.....
Dont worry clocker, ill find it myself on google, eh? ;)
That would give you something to bring to the table, yes.Quote:
Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 09:41
Dont worry clocker, ill find it myself on google, eh? ;)
Its quite funny you still havnt apologised....
And i distinctly remember you posting "i was rude" in a thread were you were blatantly, just that to me.
Do you not think, as a perfectly sane person im sure, that it is the right, and nice, thing to do to apologise to me?
I find it ridiculous that you havnt as of yet.
It always amuses me to watch people hunt in packs. Trite clichéd responses are another personal favourite. As is righteous indignation.
:lol:
oh this amuses me more than you will ever know
Still waiting for a perfectly obvious apology that is needed.......
I thought it had been established that Lee Harvey Oswald shot J.F.K. Has some doubt now been expressed in relation to this matter.
It was declared by the Warren Commission that Oswald, acting alone, was solely resposible for the assassination.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 09:57
I thought it had been established that Lee Harvey Oswald shot J.F.K. Has some doubt now been expressed in relation to this matter.
There has been naught but doubt about this conclusion ever since.
Compelling arguments for several conflicting theories abound.
I think that it's unlikely that a satisfactory explanation will ever come to light.
What was the legal status of the Warren Commission.
That was the conclusion of the Warren Commission, yes.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 10:57
I thought it had been established that Lee Harvey Oswald shot J.F.K. Has some doubt now been expressed in relation to this matter.
I must note, here, that the Kennedy assassination was the genesis for the modern school of "Conspiracy Theory" thought.
The peculiarities of the incident do lend themselves to conflicting theories; as yet, however, none have proven conclusive.
Note, I said conspiracy theory as opposed to conspiracy.
what does that mean?Quote:
Note, I said conspiracy theory as opposed to conspiracy.
It refers to the difference between the actual and the theoretical.
The Commission was convened by authority of then President Lyndon Johnson and it's conclusions are the de facto official US government explanation.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 10:05
What was the legal status of the Warren Commission.
Many people have made a career of analyzing and debunking the commission's findings and even supporters admit that there are lots of inconsistencies and omissions.
The Commission was convened by authority of then President Lyndon Johnson and it's conclusions are the de facto official US government explanation.Quote:
Originally posted by clocker+16 June 2003 - 17:21--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 16 June 2003 - 17:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@16 June 2003 - 10:05
What was the legal status of the Warren Commission.
Many people have made a career of analyzing and debunking the commission's findings and even supporters admit that there are lots of inconsistencies and omissions. [/b][/quote]
In essence, legally LHO assasinated JFK. No-one else was involved and there was no conspiracy.
Thank you, JPaul.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 11:10
It refers to the difference between the actual and the theoretical.
The Warren Commission was pretty official and authoritative:
Immediate Release
November 30, 1963
Office of the White House Press Secretary
The Wite House Executive Order No. 11130
Appointing A Commission To Report Upon The Assassination Of President John F. Kennedy
Pursuant to the authority vested in me as President of the United States, I hereby appoint a Commission to ascertain, evaluate and report upon the facts relating to the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of the man charged with the assassination. The Commission shall consist of:
The Chief Justice of the United States, Chairman;
Senator Richard B. Russell;
Senator John Sherman Cooper;
Congressman Hale Boggs;
Congressman Gerald R. Ford;
The Honorable Allen W. Dulles;
The Honorable John J. McCloy.
The purposes of the Commission are to examine the evidence developed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and any additional evidence that may hereafter come to light or be uncovered by federal or state authorities; to make such further investigation as the Commission finds desirable; to evaluate all the facts and circumstances surrounding such assassination, including the subsequent violent death of the man charged with the assassination, and to report to me its findings and conclusions.
The Commission is empowered to prescribe its own procedures and to employ such assistants as it deems necessary.
Necessary expenses of the Commission may be paid from the "Emergency Fund for the President". All Executive departments and agencies are directed to furnish the Commission with such facilities, services and cooperation as it may request from time to time.
LYNDON B. JOHNSON
THE WHITE HOUSE,
November 29, 1963
This is textbook conspiracy theorist stuff. :D
Thank you, JPaul.Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4+16 June 2003 - 17:25--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 16 June 2003 - 17:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@16 June 2003 - 11:10
It refers to the difference between the actual and the theoretical.
[/b][/quote]
I hope you don't mind.The question appeared facetious so I thought a level headed individual like myself was best answering it.
Save the thread falling into an ever decreasing spiral of nonsensical demands for insincere expressions of contrition.
I've always felt, as have others in my position, that every person researching a conspiracy theory is someone kept out of harms way.
Heaven forbid they should ever expend that amount of energy on investigating what is actually going on.
That's probably why they are started.
Exactly so, JPaul, although I must say, I don't think anyone has ever actually occupied your "precise" position. :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 11:40
I've always felt, as have others in my position, that every person researching a conspiracy theory is someone kept out of harms way.
Heaven forbid they should ever expend that amount of energy on investigating what is actually going on.
That's probably why they are started.
To accept that LHO acted alone to assassinate JFK out of some personal vendetta of his own making is absolutely absurd. If any of you actually believe that, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell ya! There were three shots fired, and it HAS been proven that all three could NOT have come from the book depository window that LHO was at. As for the stupid Warren Commission statement, look who signed it. It has been openly speculated that LBJ, the CIA, and the Secret Service were all involved in JFK's assassination. If there is even a scrap of truth to that, then the statement from the commission, signed by LBJ, holds no water whatsoever. Let us also not forget the fact that the forensic examination of JFK's body was kept from the public for approx. 30 years. When the American public was given access to the autopsy results, actual PROOF was shown that there was no way LHO acted as the sole shooter. There were at least two other shooters on the grassy knoll... that is no longer considered speculation. Many witnesses on that day also claimed to hear the two shots that came from behind the fence. The U.S. government has put a hold on all information concerning JFK's death. It is to be kept classified until - and I might be wrong about the specific time - around the year 2030. I have always believed this was because they wanted to make sure that all persons involved were dead before allowing the public to know the truth. Why else would they tell us there is more to the story, but it is classified? I can't blame all those people who have spent their lives trying to put this puzzle together. Anyone who has read enough on the subject would find it hard not to speculate also. And, it may be where "conspiracy theory" got it's start, but it is probably the one incident in our country's history that merits the question: what are they hiding and why?
*edit*
If any of you would like a REAL possibility for his assassination, look up some information on what Martin Luther King Jr. and Kennedy were doing before he was killed. Then look at what LBJ did after the assassination to thwart the efforts of MLKjr. Make sure you also look at the head of the CIA at the time, and his reports to Congress and the president about the "real" abilities and motivations of African-Americans in this country. It is no secret that MLKjr. was working JFK for support for the fight against racial segregation in this country... and JFK was giving him that support. It is also no secret that the CIA paid a black man to assassinate MLKjr. That is not a conspiracy theory, the CIA has readily admitted as much. Should it be only speculation that MLKjr. being assassinated shortly after JFK is just a coincidence? Any of you who understand the SEVERE racial issues that were going on during that time will also understand that this is a very real possibility for the reason JFK was killed.
Exactly so, JPaul, although I must say, I don't think anyone has ever actually occupied your "precise" position. :lol: [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4+16 June 2003 - 17:59--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 16 June 2003 - 17:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@16 June 2003 - 11:40
I've always felt, as have others in my position, that every person researching a conspiracy theory is someone kept out of harms way.
Heaven forbid they should ever expend that amount of energy on investigating what is actually going on.
That's probably why they are started.
That's a very good point, even if unintentional. I should probably have said similar positions.
Oh, I would hardly think that's the only question that merits such attention.
I didn't mean to imply that I accepted the Warren Commission's report at all.
I've read several books on the subject and think that barring the appearance of Mr. Peabody and the Wayback machine, a definitive answer is not likely to be uncovered.
Angellynn 26-
One difficulty is some diabolical person made sure all possible participants in the "conspiracy" died of old age before they could give up the true dope.
Another is this:
Everyone involved in a "conspiracy" has, as his impetus, an agenda-driven imperative, which effectively precludes coherent testimony, post-event.
Thousands (well, maybe only hundreds) of varying stories; and with them, a good recipe for stew, which is what we've been doing for the past forty years.
Yeah sure but what about UFO's then? :ph34r:
I hope you don't mind.The question appeared facetious so I thought a level headed individual like myself was best answering it.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul+16 June 2003 - 16:37--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 16 June 2003 - 16:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by j2k4@16 June 2003 - 17:25
<!--QuoteBegin-JPaul
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@16 June 2003 - 11:10
It refers to the difference between the actual and the theoretical.
Thank you, JPaul.
Save the thread falling into an ever decreasing spiral of nonsensical demands for insincere expressions of contrition. [/b][/quote]
it wasnt facetious. i was just saying. i didnt realise there was much different cos how often does something go from being a conspiracy theory to a conspiracy if you know what i mean
Very true! i couldnt have put it better myself :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by angellynn26@16 June 2003 - 18:04
To accept that LHO acted alone to assassinate JFK out of some personal vendetta of his own making is absolutely absurd. If any of you actually believe that, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell ya! There were three shots fired, and it HAS been proven that all three could NOT have come from the book depository window that LHO was at. As for the stupid Warren Commission statement, look who signed it. It has been openly speculated that LBJ, the CIA, and the Secret Service were all involved in JFK's assassination. If there is even a scrap of truth to that, then the statement from the commission, signed by LBJ, holds no water whatsoever. Let us also not forget the fact that the forensic examination of JFK's body was kept from the public for approx. 30 years. When the American public was given access to the autopsy results, actual PROOF was shown that there was no way LHO acted as the sole shooter. There were at least two other shooters on the grassy knoll... that is no longer considered speculation. Many witnesses on that day also claimed to hear the two shots that came from behind the fence. The U.S. government has put a hold on all information concerning JFK's death. It is to be kept classified until - and I might be wrong about the specific time - around the year 2030. I have always believed this was because they wanted to make sure that all persons involved were dead before allowing the public to know the truth. Why else would they tell us there is more to the story, but it is classified? I can't blame all those people who have spent their lives trying to put this puzzle together. Anyone who has read enough on the subject would find it hard not to speculate also. And, it may be where "conspiracy theory" got it's start, but it is probably the one incident in our country's history that merits the question: what are they hiding and why?
:)Quote:
Originally posted by angellynn26@16 June 2003 - 17:04
*edit*
If any of you would like a REAL possibility for his assassination, look up some information on what Martin Luther King Jr. and Kennedy were doing before he was killed. Then look at what LBJ did after the assassination to thwart the efforts of MLKjr. Make sure you also look at the head of the CIA at the time, and his reports to Congress and the president about the "real" abilities and motivations of African-Americans in this country. It is no secret that MLKjr. was working JFK for support for the fight against racial segregation in this country... and JFK was giving him that support. It is also no secret that the CIA paid a black man to assassinate MLKjr. That is not a conspiracy theory, the CIA has readily admitted as much. Should it be only speculation that MLKjr. being assassinated shortly after JFK is just a coincidence? Any of you who understand the SEVERE racial issues that were going on during that time will also understand that this is a very real possibility for the reason JFK was killed.
I think that the way JFK led his life and the manner of his death it was inevitable that this would happen.
It's one of these situations where it is easier to get groups of people to believe things which they fundamentally want to believe in the first place. It is in fact a true life story as entertaining as any X-Files plot.
I personally believe that the JFK conspiracy theory was in fact a conspiracy. I believe that the conspiracy theory was put in place to make the US citizens so engrossed in this that they ignored other things which were happening.
Whatever else may be true JFK was a charismatic man who was loved by many. His untimely death was an opportunity for people to deflect the attention from the real world. The theory only served to extend that period. Flippin heck it is still going on.
:) [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by angellynn26+16 June 2003 - 12:39--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (angellynn26 @ 16 June 2003 - 12:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-angellynn26@16 June 2003 - 17:04
*edit*
If any of you would like a REAL possibility for his assassination, look up some information on what Martin Luther King Jr. and Kennedy were doing before he was killed. Then look at what LBJ did after the assassination to thwart the efforts of MLKjr. Make sure you also look at the head of the CIA at the time, and his reports to Congress and the president about the "real" abilities and motivations of African-Americans in this country. It is no secret that MLKjr. was working JFK for support for the fight against racial segregation in this country... and JFK was giving him that support. It is also no secret that the CIA paid a black man to assassinate MLKjr. That is not a conspiracy theory, the CIA has readily admitted as much. Should it be only speculation that MLKjr. being assassinated shortly after JFK is just a coincidence? Any of you who understand the SEVERE racial issues that were going on during that time will also understand that this is a very real possibility for the reason JFK was killed.
And awaaaaaay we go!
The train and track thus part company, heading for yet another artificial horizon....... :lol:
I agree... esp. about the 'still going on' part. It won't end until the gov't releases the whole truth to the public. Until that time, people are going to speculate about what really happened. I've heard people point at the Vietnam War as a reason, and I've also heard people point at labor relations and union situations at the time as a reason. The best explanation, which is the one I posted previously, is one that I came up with. Not many people have publicly came out and said it might have something to do with segregation, but it is the one thing that carried enough hatred and malice at the time as to warrant JFK's assassination. The passion and ferver in which white Americans fought segregation with would have been plenty of motivation.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 17:41
I think that the way JFK led his life and the manner of his death it was inevitable that this would happen.
It's one of these situations where it is easier to get groups of people to believe things which they fundamentally want to believe in the first place. It is in fact a true life story as entertaining as any X-Files plot.
I personally believe that the JFK conspiracy theory was in fact a conspiracy. I believe that the conspiracy theory was put in place to make the US citizens so engrossed in this that they ignored other things which were happening.
Whatever else may be true JFK was a charismatic man who was loved by many. His untimely death was an opportunity for people to deflect the attention from the real world. The theory only served to extend that period. Flippin heck it is still going on.