How Do You Justify Stealing Copy Righted Property?

How do you justify to yourself the use of Kazaa. Every time you download movies, music, software or a book you are probably breaking the law. Not very moral is it.

Excuses I have heard include - "but I did pay to see it at the pictures as well" or "they were ripping people off anyway!" or "it's there so I'm gonna use it" (meaning the ability and apparatus to download for free, if illegally) or "unlikely you will get caught!" etc etc etc .....trust you get the picture.


Is it wrong? Please discuss!

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Originally posted by tite-wad@16 June 2003 - 18:21
I do it - 'cause I can! :P

What more justification do I need?

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I commend you! You are an honest criminal moron just like me!!! :D

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:( Oh shit!

Strangely... its gone real quiet for this one! Maybe I should stick to clacker whacking and arsehair type topics! :blink:

I put my hands up and admit it.



Im a criminal.
Everything i download is illegal, pretty much, all i get is movie's and music.
Then again, maybe some of these artists don't mind.
Does that make it ok?

Im waiting for the inspector to walk through my door now.....

woe is me officer !!

i admit it but i had no malintent !!

I only steal from those who won't notice it. I won't steal from small bands or in-trouble game studios. I bought Thief 1 and Thief 2 but that didn't stop pirates putting Looking Glass Studios out of business.

I use freeware whenever I can and if I can't, then I'll pirate from the company least deserving of my money in my opinion (generally Microsoft).

In terms of music, I'll happily download from massive bands like INXS or Evanescence, but I buy CDs from smaller bands like Solas or Deaf Shepherd who need the cash - and I don't share the mp3s I make from the CDs.


I only pirate if I can honestly say I don't feel it is immoral to do so.

I justify it because I can't be afford to buy all the albums I want or afford to go see the latest films at the cinema or buy DVDs. I'm not saying it's right, it's just why I do it. I do in a way pay though, it's the only thing I use my broadband internet for so I'm not getting the stuff absolutely free.

Also, who wants to pay for stuff when they know other's are getting it for free? I could get on my moral high horse and ignore this and pay for the stuff but I couldn't afford to even if I wanted to.

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Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@16 June 2003 - 18:47
I do in a way pay though, it's the only thing I use my broadband internet for so I'm not getting the stuff absolutely free.

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me too!!

OK here goes...

<<insert diatribe about the capitalist system and the working classes having nothing to sell but their labour, fed the crumbs from the rich man&#39;s table and all that>>

there...justified :P

Legality and Morality are entirely seperate issues.

The former is an agreed set of rules, as such is entirely objective. The latter is a matter of individual conscience and is entirely subjective.

One can quite easily break a law without having any particular moral issue. Basically as Lamsey outlined. He takes a moral stance, while being willing to break the particular law.

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Originally posted by Tyke@16 June 2003 - 18:49
OK here goes...

<<insert diatribe about the capitalist system and the working classes having nothing to sell but their labour, fed the crumbs from the rich man&#39;s table and all that>>

there...justified :P

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is it orthodox for the working classes to have broadband internet access in their homes on a home PC, downloading movies and music?

I used to know the answer to this one.

If the "search" function were returned, I could find my original post and understand again why I do these heinous acts.

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is it orthodox for the working classes to have broadband internet access in their homes on a home PC, downloading movies and music?

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we shouldn&#39;t have broadband and computers&#33; we should be down t&#39;pit&#33;

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Originally posted by hobbes@16 June 2003 - 19:51
I used to know the answer to this one.

If the "search" function were returned, I could find my original post and understand again why I do these heinous acts.

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See my last. It&#39;s more succinct than you.

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Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@16 June 2003 - 18:52

we shouldn&#39;t have broadband and computer&#39;s&#33; we should be down t&#39;pit&#33;

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

lmao &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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Originally posted by Proper Bo, I tell thee@16 June 2003 - 18:47
I justify it because I can&#39;t be afford to buy all the albums I want or afford to go see the latest films at the cinema or buy DVDs. I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s right, it&#39;s just why I do it. I do in a way pay though, it&#39;s the only thing I use my broadband internet for so I&#39;m not getting the stuff absolutely free.

Also, who wants to pay for stuff when they know other&#39;s are getting it for free? I could get on my moral high horse and ignore this and pay for the stuff but I couldn&#39;t afford to even if I wanted to.

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Have to agree bout the broad band bit - I would not pay the 50£ I pay if it weren&#39;t for this.(file sharing)

i admit to not stealing a thing. stealing would be to actualy take it from the source which somebody already has and made it available and legal for the people. if you downloaded a movie thats still in theatres thats not stealing. stealing is going in there with a camera and tapeing it. your just taking it from a willing criminal. Its like seeing somebody get mugged you had no part in the act but you seen it and you didnt say anything unless you do then you would just be a pussy. so ya :ph34r:

It&#39;s cheaper than the traditional 7-nights-a-week down the bookies and the working man&#39;s club&#33; :D

I knew I shouldn&#39;t have used the "class" phrase, that&#39;s a diff. debate altogether and it was meant as a joke, but yeah, more people have B/B now, even me on pennies over the minimum wage.

BB bloody t&#39;internet&#33;? All we can afford is a loaf Hovis without t&#39; bits in it and a bit of drippin a week between ten of us&#33;

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Originally posted by Lamsey@16 June 2003 - 19:44
I only steal from those who won&#39;t notice it. I won&#39;t steal from small bands or in-trouble game studios. I bought Thief 1 and Thief 2 but that didn&#39;t stop pirates putting Looking Glass Studios out of business.



I only pirate if I can honestly say I don&#39;t feel it is immoral to do so.

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Lamsey makes an excellent point about computer games.

Computer games are often a marginal thing, particularly adventure games. By sharing these types of games, I my extinguish their future by making them unprofitable.

So please continue to buy your games retail, if you can. Thanks.

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Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 18:50
Legality and Morality are entirely seperate issues.

The former is an agreed set of rules, as such is entirely objective. The latter is a matter of individual conscience and is entirely subjective.

One can quite easily break a law without having any particular moral issue. Basically as Lamsey outlined. He takes a moral stance, while being willing to break the particular law.

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Ok but if we look ahead a number of years film companies might not see that there is the same return as there was and people might lose their jobs etc etc.

As soon as big companies smell decline for what ever reason they have to react.
You / me could be doin some poor laddy me chum out of their job&#33;&#33; Films being made for 100grand instead of 100 millions. Line get&#39;s a bit blurry then (think of the children of these employees)

Bottom line question is are we doin wrong?

if they deserve it i&#39;ll pay but lets face it not many do.

in the movies i pay to see it in the cinema but no film is worth buying. you just dont watch it enough to get your £15 worth, specially after a fiver at the pictures B)

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Bottom line question is are we doin wrong?

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Legally, yes. Morally, it&#39;s each to their own opinion.

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im still a criminal &#33;&#33;

look im downloading a movie not yet released in the cinema....

how can that be right?

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Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 19:09
im still a criminal &#33;&#33;

look im downloading a movie not yet released in the cinema....

how can that be right?

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well youd better hope that movies crap then :lol:

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Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 19:09
im still a criminal &#33;&#33;

look im downloading a movie not yet released in the cinema....

how can that be right?

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Just think of all the cinemas you may close in the next few years&#33;

You is a bad boy billy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

It would be pretty cool if there was a scheme where you could send the artist / people in the factories what they get per CD.

It would only be about 10p per CD or something disgusting like that.

Punish the fatcats who close down factories, make workers redundant and then get multi-million dollar payoffs for their &#39;expertise&#39;.

fatcats == parasites.

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Originally posted by fugley@16 June 2003 - 19:33

Just think of all the cinemas you may close in the next few years&#33;

You is a bad boy billy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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that soon.......the next few years, eh?

Im off to cancel that download.....

Mr Cruise deserves my money, really, he does.

Oh wait, he isnt in any movies now......

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Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats+16 June 2003 - 19:43--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crazy_billy_bats @ 16 June 2003 - 19:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 19:33

Just think of all the cinemas you may close in the next few years&#33;

You is a bad boy billy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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that soon.......the next few years, eh?

Im off to cancel that download.....

Mr Cruise deserves my money, really, he does.

Oh wait, he isnt in any movies now...... [/b][/quote]
How will Richard Gere raise the cash to feed his hampsters billy?

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Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats+16 June 2003 - 19:43--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crazy_billy_bats @ 16 June 2003 - 19:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fugley@16 June 2003 - 19:33

Just think of all the cinemas you may close in the next few years&#33;

You is a bad boy billy&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

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that soon.......the next few years, eh?

Im off to cancel that download.....

Mr Cruise deserves my money, really, he does.

Oh wait, he isnt in any movies now...... [/b][/quote]
Oh come on Billy&#33; Old Tom must be down to his last 20 million or so.....have a heart :lol:

Jonno B)

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Originally posted by CELEBS_ARE_US@16 June 2003 - 19:45

Oh come on Billy&#33; Old Tom must be down to his last 20 million or so.....have a heart :lol:

Jonno B)

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oh ok then ill restart....


but what about the student who&#39;s job at the popcorn stand at UGC supports his life?

as an example.

No cinemas, no popcorn.

No graduates.

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Oh come on Billy&#33; Old Tom must be down to his last 20 million or so.....have a heart :lol:

Jonno B)

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oh ok then ill restart....


but what about the student who&#39;s job at the popcorn stand at UGC supports his life?

as an example.

No cinemas, no popcorn.

No graduates. [/b][/quote]
WOOOOHOOOOOOOOO&#33;

Would&#39;nt life be grand :D :lol:

Any way those guys at the popcorn stand are really annoying :angry: :D

Jonno B)

ok then, another example:

the "greeter&#39;s" at the entrance of the cinema......

the clerks behind the desk,

the reel guy who puts the film on,

and several other unheard of heroes in the cinema scene. Where would we be?

I believe there are peoples jobs at stake here :(

Even if they are annoying or not :D

I buy what I download, I download to make backups of things I own as I am entitled to.

Example, books, I downloaded a few books, what happened to my real in paper books? Well, I bought them, expensive pieces of paper...
Then they ended up getting moldy and ruined...

Luckily I had my backup :-)

Anyway also how about


I bought flight sim 2002 pro, in germany, without multilingual settings...

The german translation was, to say the least, shitty...
Beenden means exit, close, leave, it ended up being the button to (open door)

So I downloaded CD1 only of fs2002 pro for the english version, and could actuatly play it, dont play it anymore but hey..

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Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@16 June 2003 - 19:55


I believe there are peoples jobs at stake here :(

Even if they are annoying or not :D

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OK then&#33; I suppose the girl that gives the leaflets out in the foyay (speglingg) are quite nice :D And the Ushers are always pleasant&#33; Ok you convinced me......Oi&#33;&#33;&#33; you lot stop it now&#33; :D Beside I can&#39;t dl movies (56k mod) it takes months to dl a flick so if I can&#39;t you lot should stop too :P :D At least until we get broadband&#33; :D

In all seriousness tho, I don&#39;t agree with dl new movies &#39;cos a movie cost a shed load of money and they are providing entertainment for us, so they deseve our £5 or what ever :)

Jonno B)