Is It Ok To Say That

You should really read the topic in the lounge about Israel/Palestine. Especially the posts by ShockAndAwe^i^.

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All the politically correct talk in the world can't hide true Islam.
It's evil!!

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It's Pure evil from it's inception

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According to ShockAndAwe^i^:

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Calling Islam Evil is correct and not hatred towards Muslims.

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So that means its not offensive to a Jew to say Judaism is pure evil. So it's not offensive to say to a Catholic that Christianity is pure evil.

So do you think it's offensive to people or not.

yeah, it's hurtful! :angry:
i'm a muslim, and i can see where these NEDS are coming from when they say Islam is evil :lol: so i jus ignore it ;)

yeah, i think it's wrong to say that a religion is inherently evil
it's offensive to people who practise said religion, and in the vast majortiy of cases, is incorrect

Islam in itself is not evil.

But it is often used as an excuse for evil people to do evil things. :(

Personally, any religion which involves paying tribute to a figure is just asking its followers to do this kind of crap.

I'm not going to go into the details because I don't want to end up like that thread, but all religions are just as much to blame than any other religion. Relative to this, Christianity (especially Catholism) is just as much to blame for a lot of the world's problems as Islam is.

Personally, the sooner I can renounce my religion to Buddism the better it'd be for me - But until then, the C of E mark I have on my birth certificate is title only.

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Christianity (especially Catholism) is just as much to blame for a lot of the world's problems as Islam is.

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Indeed, Christianity is not at all innocent, as you say. Think of the Crusades for example.


edited to clarify meaning!

Christianity has caused as much trouble as any other religion, if not more due to its dominance in the West. The thing that really gets me is that god knows how many million people are preaching about a flawed book, aka the bible
(Need an example? How about Noah's Ark - Two of every animal with Noah's family. AFAIK the usual image of Noah's family is all right - though I think that's the West's interpretation IMO. Even if Noah and his wife were two seperate races, how come we have over 30 different races on this world when apparently most of the world were flooded to death, huh? ;))

Personally, I think they're all as bad as each other - And the Crusades carry on still; how many die-hard christians think that Islam is evil? Chances are that 1 in 100,000 will act on this belief - whether it was right or not. And this is what saddens me with the world today - What once was humanity's most valuable source of hope is now the largest causes of extreme ethnocentrism today.

To quote Selma Blair from Dogma "It doesn't matter what you have faith in. just that you have faith"

Yes. It is okay to say anything. It's a first amendment thing.

That's the fucking point. Say what you want, it's your right.

What's difficult to understand. Just because you don't approve of what he is saying, tough shit.

However you have as much right to reply and say that he is talking nonsense.

It's really rather complex when you think about it. Unless you are a Glibbist.

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Originally posted by PB Montgolfier@19 June 2003 - 00:19
Yes. It is okay to say anything. It's a first amendment thing.

That's the fucking point. Say what you want, it's your right.

What's difficult to understand. Just because you don't approve of what he is saying, tough shit.

However you have as much right to reply and say that he is talking nonsense.

It's really rather complex when you think about it. Unless you are a Glibbist.

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:flame:

Thats a bit harsh.

So is "That's the :swear: point" - try and keep profanity to a minimum please.

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Originally posted by Illuminati

Christianity has caused as much trouble as any other religion, if not more due to its dominance in the West. The thing that really gets me is that god knows how many million people are preaching about a flawed book, aka the bible
(Need an example? How about Noah's Ark - Two of every animal with Noah's family. AFAIK the usual image of Noah's family is all right - though I think that's the West's interpretation IMO. Even if Noah and his wife were two seperate races, how come we have over 30 different races on this world when apparently most of the world were flooded to death, huh? )

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You've got this all wrong big time.
The noah's ark story and other stories in the bible are not meant
as an explanation to the origins of the human race in scientific terms.

In fact, it is the exact opposite. The story is intended to send a
deep religious message. This religious message is different depending
on beliefs, religion, etc.

I really hope you dont believe that God literally created the world
in exactly seven days.

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Originally posted by Lamsey@19 June 2003 - 00:25
So is "That's the :swear: point" - try and keep profanity to a minimum please.

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he has the 'right to free speech'

:lol:

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he has the 'right to free speech'

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He also has the right to obey the forum rules - a right which I hope he will exercise. :)

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Originally posted by dlingeverything@19 June 2003 - 00:26
You've got this all wrong big time.
The noah's ark story and other stories in the bible are not meant as an explanation to the origins of the human race in scientific terms.

In fact, it is the exact opposite. The story is intended to send a deep religious message. This religious message is different depending on beliefs, religion, etc.

I really hope you dont believe that God literally created the world in exactly seven days.

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But what is to say that the whole Bible is nothing more than a parable?

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Originally posted by 2nd gen noob+18 June 2003 - 23:28--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (2nd gen noob @ 18 June 2003 - 23:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@19 June 2003 - 00:25
So is "That&#39;s the :swear: point" - try and keep profanity to a minimum please.

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he has the &#39;right to free speech&#39;

:lol: [/b][/quote]
I thought so.

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Originally posted by PB Montgolfier+19 June 2003 - 00:30--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PB Montgolfier @ 19 June 2003 - 00:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by 2nd gen noob@18 June 2003 - 23:28
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@19 June 2003 - 00:25
So is "That&#39;s the :swear: point" - try and keep profanity to a minimum please.

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he has the &#39;right to free speech&#39;

:lol:

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I thought so. [/b][/quote]
i was taking a slight slant when i said that

you have to remember we have young members here, like Lamsey in fact ;)

old enough to be a mod, but not old enough to drink... :P

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Originally posted by Lamsey+18 June 2003 - 23:29--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 18 June 2003 - 23:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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he has the &#39;right to free speech&#39;

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He also has the right to obey the forum rules - a right which I hope he will exercise. :)

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You&#39;ve got this all wrong big time.
The noah&#39;s ark story and other stories in the bible are not meant as an explanation to the origins of the human race in scientific terms.

In fact, it is the exact opposite. The story is intended to send a deep religious message. This religious message is different depending on beliefs, religion, etc.

I really hope you dont believe that God literally created the world in exactly seven days.

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But what is to say that the whole Bible is nothing more than a parable? [/b][/quote]
Good point.

What&#39;s to stop the new mod propogating his agnostic views.

It&#39;s not like he has extra rights or anything.

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It&#39;s Pure evil from it&#39;s inception

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as i have been told so dont take it as gospel but if you are not a believer then you are against them are need to die. this is part of the muslim religion so i would deem this kinda evil.

this kinda reminds me of the christians during the crusades but payback is a bitch right. :rolleyes:

Lamsey

My apologies, I was under the impression that I could say fuck as often as I wanted. If that is not the case then I can only apologise.

Is there a set number of times I can say fuck per day. Or is it on a post by post basis.

I really would appreciate your input as I had never realised that freedom of expression was quite so limited.


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the point is that to call an entire religion like islam evil is pretty stupid. the guy in question obviously knows nothing about it or what the koran (spelling?)teaches. ive learnt that when im wrong admit or at least shut up. i think we should make an example of him by pointing and laughing :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally posted by PB Montgolfier+19 June 2003 - 00:39--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PB Montgolfier &#064; 19 June 2003 - 00:39)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Lamsey

My apologies, I was under the impression that I could say fuck as often as I wanted. If that is not the case then I can only apologise.

Is there a set number of times I can say fuck per day. Or is it on a post by post basis.

I really would appreciate your input as I had never realised that freedom of expression was quite so limited.


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You can express your opinions just as clearly without using the word "fuck". Please do so. I do not wish to censor you, you can still post your views freely and I will defend your right to do so.

But there is no real need to swear. Some people are offended by it, you know.



@TheDave: Pointing and laughing has duly been administered, but I don&#39;t think he heard me... :(

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Originally posted by TheDave@18 June 2003 - 23:41
the point is that to call an entire religion like islam evil is pretty stupid. the guy in question obviously knows nothing about it or what the koran (spelling?)teaches. ive learnt that when im wrong admit or at least shut up. i think we should make an example of him by pointing and laughing :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Fair point - no freedom of expression in your world then.

Want my addresss, I can have the books piled up ready for burning if you want.

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Originally posted by PB Montgolfier+18 June 2003 - 23:48--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PB Montgolfier @ 18 June 2003 - 23:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheDave@18 June 2003 - 23:41
the point is that to call an entire religion like islam evil is pretty stupid. the guy in question obviously knows nothing about it or what the koran (spelling?)teaches. ive learnt that when im wrong admit or at least shut up. i think we should make an example of him by pointing and laughing :lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

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Fair point - no freedom of expression in your world then.

Want my addresss, I can have the books piled up ready for burning if you want. [/b][/quote]
great stuff. what are you talking about?

He is free to express his views.

We are free to express that we think his views are wrong.
We are also free to point and laugh.

Where is the problem with freedom of expression, PB? They&#39;re not asking for his posts to be censored are they?

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Originally posted by Lamsey+18 June 2003 - 23:46--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey &#064; 18 June 2003 - 23:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by PB Montgolfier@19 June 2003 - 00:39
Lamsey

My apologies, I was under the impression that I could say fuck as often as I wanted. If that is not the case then I can only apologise.

Is there a set number of times I can say fuck per day. Or is it on a post by post basis.

I really would appreciate your input as I had never realised that freedom of expression was quite so limited.


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You can express your opinions just as clearly without using the word "fuck". Please do so. I do not wish to censor you, you can still post your views freely and I will defend your right to do so.

But there is no real need to swear. Some people are offended by it, you know.



@TheDave: Pointing and laughing has duly been administered, but I don&#39;t think he heard me... :( [/b][/quote]
So it&#39;s ok for you to say "fuck". But not me.

I never realised that my freedom of expression was ok, within limits. I had always assumed it to be absolute.

Well :swear: me, another lesson learned. Perhaps the first amendment should have been clearer. It&#39;s ok to express yourself as long as big brother approves.

Sorry to get Orwellian, but every wedge has a thin end. So if you wish to propogate the censorship, please feel free to delete this, as if I had an option. However remember that you will live with that action for the rest of your life and being part of the establishment is no excuse, no matter how trivial the action is :

:swear:
:swear:
:swear:


We rest our case.Proceed as you see fit.


edited by Lamsey to conform with Board rules. There&#39;s a difference between expressing your views and trolling. Learn it :P

i think its fine what he said.

i&#39;ll say this, all religion is evil.

not the people, just the ideas.

and the religious people with power...

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Originally posted by kAb@18 June 2003 - 18:01
i think its fine what he said.

i&#39;ll say this, all religion is evil.

not the people, just the ideas.

and the religious people with power...

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I wouldnt necessarily agree that all religion and its idease
are evil. If you could specify maybe i could understand
your point better.

However, you have a point when religious people obtain
power in the real world b/c of their religious authority.
its the whole reason why there are lutherans.

About PB cursing,
Although he has the right to speech and [i]can[i] curse on the board,
he should keep other members and the board in mind when posting.

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Originally posted by dlingeverything@19 June 2003 - 01:25
I wouldnt necessarily agree that all religion and its idease
are evil. If you could specify maybe i could understand
your point better.

However, you have a point when religious people obtain
power in the real world b/c of their religious authority.
its the whole reason why there are lutherans.

About PB cursing,
Although he has the right to speech and [i]can[i] curse on the board,
he should keep other members and the board in mind when posting.

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As I said, Religions usually tend to be perfectly well-meaning and have good intentions.

The problems start when people deliberately misinterpret religion to suit their own purposes.

Is ok to say the bible is bullsh&#33;t...and this is coming from a person who spent 8 years at a private catholic school...So i think my opnion counts...

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Originally posted by Celerystalksme@19 June 2003 - 01:38
Is ok to say the bible is bullsh&#33;t...and this is coming from a person who spent 8 years at a private catholic school...So i think my opnion counts...

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i think this may be stepping a little over the &#39;line&#39;

you can&#39;t just say a book that millions (even into 10 figures) believe in and live life by (in theory, of course) is bull

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Is ok to say the bible is bullsh&#33;t...and this is coming from a person who spent 8 years at a private catholic school...So i think my opnion counts...

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i think this may be stepping a little over the &#39;line&#39;

you can&#39;t just say a book that millions (even into 10 figures) believe in and live life by (in theory, of course) is bull [/b][/quote]
Fairer to say it contains a lot of bull...

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Is ok to say the bible is bullsh&#33;t...and this is coming from a person who spent 8 years at a private catholic school...So i think my opnion counts...

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i think this may be stepping a little over the &#39;line&#39;

you can&#39;t just say a book that millions (even into 10 figures) believe in and live life by (in theory, of course) is bull [/b][/quote]
I Just Did Though ;)

Right, I&#39;m off to sleep.

Play nice while I&#39;m away, folks... ;)

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@19 June 2003 - 01:38
Is ok to say the bible is bullsh&#33;t...and this is coming from a person who spent 8 years at a private catholic school...So i think my opnion counts...

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i think this may be stepping a little over the &#39;line&#39;

you can&#39;t just say a book that millions (even into 10 figures) believe in and live life by (in theory, of course) is bull

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I Just Did Though ;) [/b][/quote]
ok, i asked for that one

but do you see the point i&#39;m making?

i mean, i was born a catholic, but i don&#39;t (regularly ) practise active catholicism

im a muslim and it really bothers me when people say bad stuff about muslim we are a very loving relogion its jus other people that are evil (ex.osama Bin Laden,Sadam Insane) arent really muslim they make up there own evil rules and use them agianst other muslims



Lamsey edited out some homophobic references and replaced them with the world &#39;evil&#39; - hope you don&#39;t mind....

Nahh i dont mind

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Originally posted by Celerystalksme@18 June 2003 - 18:38
Is ok to say the bible is bullsh&#33;t...and this is coming from a person who spent 8 years at a private catholic school...So i think my opnion counts...

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Yes, you can say that.

However, whether it is alright or not is a harder issue to tackle.

When you call the bible that, you are not immediately damned to hell,
put on an "evil person" list or anything like that. I dont think it works that way.

Usually there are more things to religion than studying/reading/believing
what the words in the bible say.

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Originally posted by Lamsey@18 June 2003 - 17:18
Islam in itself is not evil.

But it is often used as an excuse for evil people to do evil things. :(

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Just as religion in the wrong hands always is..........Chris Columbus used it to subdue whole nations.
He would send 9 to 13 year old girls back to the Spainards(some of the aristocrats) who prefered native children to molest and torture(and that was in the name of christianity).

In England during the Witch trials Kings James(who was certifed insane at the time)
Had his court scholars add stuff to the bible that suited his views.(Yes that King James,Who put together the most widely read version of the bible,The Kings James version)
One such line is "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live"

King James was a parinoid scizo that thought witches were ploting to overthrow him.
At the same time the people of Merry old England were eating unprocessed rye bread.
Well my friends unprocessed rye bread when it&#39;s going bad develops a mold that causes hallucinations in those that eat it.

Anyone care to guess what compound is derived from the mold(ergot) that develops on unprocessed rye bread....................................................


Lysergic Acid Diethyiamide-25........
It&#39;s no wonder people were accusing there neighbors of flying around,changing shapes ...ect...ect......LOL&#33;&#33;&#33;

Hey ShockandAwe were you tripping when u wrote this post?... ;)
You should try to see things from others peoples eyes.......You know what I mean?
Don&#39;t let your leaders make all of your decisions.....Think.... People in general are just following the rhetoric of those that lead them.


I know your a good guy just have some apathy for others.
That&#39;s why Funky and others like him are good for this forum......We need the mods and the mods need us to disturb the quiet,stir up the masses every once awhile&#33; ;) ............but not too much of Funky.....and his irk :rolleyes:


Peace brotherdoobie

my dad was brought up as a strict catholic.

he became an atheist as an adult after considering everything and dwelling on philosophy.

i&#39;m sure this has had an astonishing effect on me ;)

religion is a key source of conflict.

many of wars are because of religion.

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Originally posted by brotherdoobie@19 June 2003 - 02:29
Lysergic Acid Diethyiamide-25

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now, where did i put my unprocessed rye bread...? :P

seems like mouldy old bread is like a pharmacist :)

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Originally posted by Lamsey@18 June 2003 - 18:25
So is "That&#39;s the :swear: point" - try and keep profanity to a minimum please.

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Actualy his profanity was at a minumum..........one fuck here and there should be encouraged once in awhile......... ever here of Lenny Bruce.....or Contry Joe and the fish.......Abbie Hoffman...... ;)




Peace brotherdoobie


I agree with U Lamesy about him being a littel strong in the way he came on with his Point of view........but it was the way he stated it not the words he used.
Sure we all have freedom of speech...but that does not mean we have the right to be an ass. ;)