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@mievmo-why people hate Israel thing-
why we hate isreal?
very strange question especially when it comes from isreali mouth.
but before answering this let's start with some facts:
1-your country is the only country that built on a religious myth "the promise land thing"
2-your country is one of the few countries in the world that is a religious state cause it's a jewish state that means it's only for jews forgetting it has many other religion and many other people who are not jews
3-your country built on the ruins of other country "Palestine"
4-your country is one of very few countries that still occupied many lands for many years refusing to give it back ,yet it claims she wants peace.
5- your country is one of a few countries in the world that has a secret nuclear program and refuses the international inspection not to mention having many nuclear missiles yet your country crying day and night about the danger of Iran .
6- your country had no clear borders and refusing to draw her borders with her borders ,why?
cause she wants to have the ability to expand her lands any time she wants
7- your country is one of the few countries that using racism against her own citizens ;i'm talking about the Arabians who have an isreali nationality
you treat them like traitors :they are not allowed to a high class universities ,not to be rich, putting them in jail,not to join the army.
8-your country blackmailing the whole western world claiming she surrounds by enemies and she is weak not to mention the holocaust yet you are one of the most advanced countries in the world.
10-your country bombed the UN base in south Lebanon , destroy the American submarine in 1967, mass murdering many of Egyptian soldiers in 1967 who were war prisoners, bomb kids and women in Lebanon in 1982,1994,1996 .
now let's answer your question
let's pick a few reasons from the endless list:
1- isrealis are the only people who crying and nagging when anyone touch them like they are special or gods; kind of annoying you know :)
2-your government killed kids and women in daily basis in palestine yet you isreali are ok with it
man they killed a five years old child who through a stone on a tank that tried to bomb his house.
3- your government bombed churches in the western bank and digging tunnels under the the second most holy mosque.
4- you have more than 15000 person in jail in your country because they defend their lands most of them are women and kids
5- when a retarded go and bomb a house in tel-aviv you go and bomb towns in Gaza and western bank.
when a missile launch from hezballa and 10 injured you invaded Lebanon and killed thousands of people
so if there are an extremist act against you , you will respond with 100 of terrorist ones .
yet you still ask why people hates you.
you know what, i don't hate you
i feel sorry for you because you cannot see the truth or maybe you see it but don't want to admit it;)
ps: all i mention here is facts if you want me to post images and documents to prove my sayings i will :)
here is Mr. Francis A. Boyle is a Professor in International Law.
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Israel's War Crimes against Palestinians
We all have a general idea of what a war crime is, so I am not going to elaborate upon that term here. But there are different degrees of heinousness for war crimes. In particular are the more serious war crimes denominated "grave breaches" of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Since the start of the Al Aqsa Intifada, the world has seen those inflicted every day by Israel against the Palestinian People living in occupied Palestine: e.g., willful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and Israel's illegal paramilitary settlers. These Israeli "grave breaches" of the Fourth Geneva Convention mandate universal prosecution for their perpetrators, whether military or civilian, as well as prosecution for their commanders, whether military or civilian, including Israel's political leaders.
Israel's Crimes Against Humanity against Palestinians
But I want to focus for a moment on Israel's "crime against humanity" against the Palestinian People -- as determined by the U.N. Human Rights Commission itself, set up pursuant to the requirements of the United Nations Charter. What is a "crime against humanity"? This concept goes all the way back to the Nuremberg Charter of 1945 for the trial of the major Nazi war criminals. And in the Nuremberg Charter of 1945, drafted by the United States Government, there was created and inserted a new type of international crime specifically intended to deal with the Nazi persecution of the Jewish People.
The paradigmatic example of a "crime against humanity" is what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People. This is where the concept of crime against humanity came from. And this is what the U.N. Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian People: Crimes against humanity. Legally, just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.
The Precursor to Genocide
Moreover, a crime against humanity is the direct historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The theory here was that what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People required a special international treaty that would codify and universalize the Nuremberg concept of "crime against humanity." And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention.
In fairness, you will note that the U.N. Human Rights Commission did not go so far as to condemn Israel for committing genocide against the Palestinian People. But it has condemned Israel for committing crimes against humanity, which is the direct precursor to genocide. And I submit that if something is not done quite soon by the American People and the International Community to stop Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian People, it could very well degenerate into genocide, if Israel is not there already. And in this regard, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is what international lawyers call a genocidaire--one who has already committed genocide in the past.
to read more follow this link
http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis7.html
some of the massacres that did by the isrealis
Deir Yassin massacre
refers to the killing of about 107 to 120 [1] Palestinian Arabs at the village of Deir Yassin (also written as Dayr Yasin or Dir Yassin) near Jerusalem in the British Mandatee by an Irgun-Lehi force between April 9 and April 11, 1948 as part of Operation Nachshon, an Israeli military offense intended to fend off the siege of Jerusalem. This occurred during a period of increasing local Arab-Jewish fighting about one month prior to the regional outbreak of the much larger 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Contemporary reports of this event, with their initial estimate of 250 killed, had considerable impact on the conflict,[2][3][4] and were a major cause of Arab civilian flight from Palestine. The circumstances, nature, evaluation, and scope of the Deir Yassin incident remain a source of controversy and debate decades later as the incident has been described as either harsh fighting in a fortified village which resulted in the need for the use of grenades[5] or that the village did not allow for a military force to take position and that a massacre of innocent civillians had occured.[
if you want to read more follow this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
1953 - The massacre of Qibya
On the night of October 14-15, 1953, this village was the object of an Israeli attack which was carried out by units from the regular army and in which a variety of weapon types were used. On the evening of October 14, an Israeli military force estimated at about 600 soldiers moved toward the village. Upon arrival, it surrounded it and cordoned it off from all of the other Arab villages. The attack began with concentrated, indiscriminate artillery fire on the homes in the village. This continued until the main force reached the outskirts of the village. Meanwhile, other forces headed for nearby Arab towns such as Shuqba, Badrus and Na'lin in order to distract them and prevent any aid from reaching the people in Qibya. They also planted mines on various roads so as to isolate the village completely. As units of the Israeli army were attacking the village residents, units of military engineers were placing explosives around some of the houses in the village and blowing them up with everyone in them. This attack continued until 4:00 A.M., October 15, 1953, at which time the Israeli forces withdrew to the bases from which they had begun.
This terrorist attack resulted in the destruction of 56 houses, the village mosque, the village school and the water tank . Moreover, 67 citizens lost their lives, both men and women, with many others wounded.
Terrorist Ariel Sharon, the commander of the "101" unit which undertook the terrorist aggression, stated that his leaders' orders had been clear with regard to how the residents of the village were to be dealt with. He says, "The orders were utterly clear: Qibya was to be an example to everyone."
The government of Israel claimed that the massacre was carried out by “civilian Jewish settlers”. But records showed that it was sanctioned by acting Prime Minister Moshe Sharrett, and was planned by Defence Minister Pin Has Lavon, the Chief of General Staff Mordacai Maklet, and Chief of Operations, General Moshe Dayan. On October 26, General Van Bennike testified before the UN Security Council. He gave irrefutable evidence that the attack on Qibya was undertaken by regular army units of Israel and not by irregulars as claimed by official Israeli sources.
1956 - The massacre of Kufr Qasim
At 4:30 P.M., October 29, 1956, a sergeant from the border guard informed the mayor of Kufr Qasim Wadi Ahmad Sarsour, that a curfew would be imposed on the village, and asked him to inform village residents. Only 30 minutes before the new curfew time, the mayor tried to convince the officer that about 400 villagers whose work took them outside the village would not be able to able to receive the warning in time. The officer told him that his soldiers would take care of that. The villagers who were home complied. Meanwhile the officers posted themselves at the village gates. Before long the first batch of villagers back home on bicycles, came into sight unaware of the curfew. They were met by the soldiers who shot them at a close range. Others, unaware of the danger awaiting them, started to reach the village entrance. They were met with the same fate.
Attacks on Qana
Qana is known internationally for two separate incidents in which the Israeli Defense Forces is charged with causing civilian deaths during military operations in Lebanon:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...250px-Qana.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/co...gnify-clip.png
Graves of the 28 people killed by the airstrikes on Qana- 2006 Qana airstrike: On 30 July 2006, during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Israeli airstrikes hit an apartment building. The Lebanese Red Cross originally stated that at least 56 people were killed, 32 of which were children. Human Rights Watch later announced that at least 22 people escaped the basement, and 28 are confirmed dead, of which 16 were children, with 13 more still missing [6] Women were dressed in black and wept over the graves on October 23, 2006, which marks the Eid ul-Fitr-holiday.[7
to read more follow this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qana
Documentary Relives Horror of Shatila Massacre
http://www.islamonline.net/English/N...ages/pic11.jpg Though no definite figures are available, around 2,000 Palestinians were massacred inside the camps under the watchful eyes of the Israeli army.
DUBAI, December 15, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) - Twenty-three years after hacking to death Palestinian refugees, six Israeli-backed Lebanese Christian militiamen show no remorse recounting the massacre in a new chilling documentary.
"With hanging or shooting you just die, but this is double," recalls one of the men, explaining how he took an old Palestinian and held him back against a wall, slicing him open in the shape of a cross.
"You die twice since you also die from the fear," he says nonchalantly of the act, describing white flesh and bone.
German director Monika Borgmann's film "Massaker" shows the six speaking out for the first time about their role in the Sabra and Shatila massacre during Israel's invasion of Lebanon.
Though no definite figures are available, around 2,000 Palestinians were massacred inside the camps in September of 1982 by the Christian militia under the watchful eyes of their Israeli alley.
Unlike massacres in some other conflicts, the perpetrators of Sabra and Shatila have not been brought to justice.
now these massacres above is only few ones of an endless list .
if you want more just google it and you will get more
all i want to point out this isn't about islam vs isreal
if isreal gives us our land back we will be more than happy to make peace with her.
people here and every where in the world saying islam=terror
you never stop and think from where those terrorists come from
they are the brothers and sons of those isreal killed in cold blood while the whole world watching.
they are the people who are starving to death in gaza and isreal refuses to give them water or food
they are the people who put in jail in isreal for more than 15 years with no guilt
they are the people whose kids killed under isreali tanks and by isreali snippers.
they are the people who you don't care about and no one in the whole world try to give them a helping hand instead you give isreal money and wepeons to kill more and more of innocent children
i can show you pics of kids and women slaughtered by isreali soldiers
i can show you towns became graveyards by isreali bombers
i can show isreali videos and documents admitting the killing of more than 3000 Egyptian soldiers who were war prisoners in 1967
but do you really care?
and if you care what you gonna do...nothing
why? because it's better to blame islam it's better to blame Arabs
Arabs are ignorants Arabs are barbarians so it's ok for isreal to slaughter them
people i'm not a hater i just put facts under your eyes and leave everything to your judgment.
i got nothing against jews and i feel bad when innocent people got killed .
all i hope for that you open your eyes and your hearts and don't judge us by the acts of few muslims who were mislead
and did terrible things.
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
your an arab/muslim
so u'r opinion doesn't count
next
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
so you just ignore all the facts in my thread and just say that my opinion doesn't count
because i'm an arab /muslim meaning i'm an insect or an animal maybe so i have no opinion, right
thanks for your humanity and your high values
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
what? insect? animal? who?
i just said u'r a muslim
and guess what a muslim will say about israel
so u don't have to say anything we all know what u'r opinion is
and it isn't neutral
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
Im not even gonna start to prove you wrong.
But you know what I always wanted to hear an arab/muslim TRY and defend their actions, I wanted to hear there side of the story, because you know what there always is two sides, and I only knew one of them.
But after reading your post...
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
also all you say here is fauls or crooked
and maybe if explaining it to you was important i would have done it
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
I would have expected this from someone else.
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
no i want you to prove me wrong come on please prove me wrong
give a solid evidence that what i said here is false and bunch of lies
man, you only cann't discuss my words because you know i'm right
and you said i'm Arabian and because of that nothing you can say can change my mind
so you judge me only by my religion not even try to talk to me or discuss what i'm saying .
any way , i made this thread to answer a question and i answered it
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
Your Pathetic man, and Ill remember this.
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
I think he has some points. I don't think he is entirely wrong.
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
yes this is great insult me because i just said the truth
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Both sides are guilty of terrorism in this conflict. I have said before, in the early years it was the Jewish Terrorist group Irgun who were doing all the bombing and killing of innocent people. Most people when arguing about this situation tend to, or deliberately, forget this fact. I remember when I was at school British people and others were killed by the Jewish terrorists. I have quoted a piece on terrorism just after the second world war;
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1945
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October 31
http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism...s/dot_clea.gif
Jewish terrorist offensive against British rule in Palestine begins, with a wave of bomb attacks on police vehicles, railway sites and Haifa oil refinery. One policeman, one soldier and two railway workers killed.
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November 27
http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism...s/dot_clea.gif
Eight British soldiers killed in bomb attack on police station Jerusalem, Palestine, in Jewish Irgun terrorist attack.
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1946
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January 7
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Three American civilian officials killed when Nazi "Werewolf" terrorists burn down their house in Passau, Germany.
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March 11
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Iranian scholar Amhed Kashravi stabbed to death by Fedayyan-e eslam guerillas in Iran.
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July 22
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Ninety people killed and forty five wounded after Jewish terrorists blow up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, Palestine, which was home to British government and military offices. The terrorists held workers at pistol point while they planted the explosives in the basement of the hotel.
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September 30
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One US soldier killed when ambushed by terrorists at Fort McKinley, Philippines.
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October 31
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British embassy in Rome, Italy, wrecked by two bombs in suit cases left by Jewish Irgun terrorists. No casualties.
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1947
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July 12
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Jewish Irgun terrorists kidnap and then hang two British Army sergeants. The terrorists were trying to secure the release of three Irgun members who had been sentenced to death by the British authorities in Palestine.
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September 29
http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism...s/dot_clea.gif
Jewish Irgun terrorists bomb police station in Haifa, Palestine, killing four British and four Arab policemen, as well as two Arab civilians. Forty six people injured.
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December 3
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Train derailed near Arras, France, by Communist terrorists killing twenty and injuring forty.
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December 12
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Twenty Arabs, five Jews and two British soldiers killed and thirty wounded in Jewish terrorist bomb attacks on buses in Haifa and Ramleh, Palestine. British mandate to rule Palestine ends on 15 May 1948; state of Israel established.
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December 29
http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism...s/dot_clea.gif
Jewish Irgun terrorists throw grenades from passing taxi into café near the Damascus gate, Jerusalem, Palestine, killing eleven Arabs and two British policemen.
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1948
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January 30
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Indian independence leader and statesman Mahatma Gandhi shot dead in Dehli, India, by Nathuram Vinayak Godse.
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March 7
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Two American diplomats murdered by Viet Minh terrorists in Saigon, Indochina.
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March 11
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Headquarters of the Jewish Agency, Jerusalem, Palestine, destroyed by Arab car bomb killing thirteen and injuring eighty four.
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April 9
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Jewish Irgun terrorist group attacks Deir Yassim, Palestine, murdering two hundred and fifty four Arab women and children captured in the remains of the village.
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Bomb explodes near US embassy in Bogota, Colombia, during Organisation of American States conference.
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May 8
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American CBS correspondent George Polk murdered by three communists in Salonika, Greece, after he was lured to a meeting on a boat in the city's harbour. His body was dumped in the sea.
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July 22
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Pro-peace activist Stephen J Supina, drops home made dynamite bomb on United Nations headquarters in New York, United States. No damage caused and he later surrenders to the authorities.
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September 17
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United Nations mediator in Palestine, Swedish Count Folke Bernadotte, murdered by Jewish Stern gang extremist in Jerusalem, Palestine, who fired at point blank range through window of his official car.
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http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism/terrorism1.htm
In recent years it has been the Palestinian terrorists and Israeli retaliation that made/makes the news. Most of us know all about this.
As you can see, from the above quote, nobody has the moral high ground in this conflict.:(
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
the irgun was made in order to respond for the arab aggression and it was not a terror organization, they didn't kill innocet citizens like arab terror organizations
also, jews don't have a reason to make terror acts against innocents and its forbbiden in judaism and why should jews/israeli kill innocents that don't kill other jews/israeli ? this is in contrast to radical muslims which they believe its the true way
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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torrentt
the irgun was made in order to respond for the arab aggression and it was not a terror organization, they didn't kill innocet citizens like arab terror organizations
also, jews don't have a reason to make terror acts against innocents and its forbbiden in judaism and why should jews/israeli kill innocents that don't kill other jews/israeli ? this is in contrast to radical muslims which they believe its the true way
Please read my previous post. What I quoted are facts. The Irgun terrorist organization killed many innocent people.
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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bigboab
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Originally Posted by
torrentt
the irgun was made in order to respond for the arab aggression and it was not a terror organization, they didn't kill innocet citizens like arab terror organizations
also, jews don't have a reason to make terror acts against innocents and its forbbiden in judaism and why should jews/israeli kill innocents that don't kill other jews/israeli ? this is in contrast to radical muslims which they believe its the true way
Please read my previous post. What I quoted are facts. The Irgun terrorist organization killed many innocent people.
I'm you are in here to add that both sides committed atrocities.
So many like to make it one group's fault.:ermm:
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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torrentt
the irgun was made in order to respond for the arab aggression and it was not a terror organization, they didn't kill innocet citizens like arab terror organizations
also, jews don't have a reason to make terror acts against innocents and its forbbiden in judaism and why should jews/israeli kill innocents that don't kill other jews/israeli ? this is in contrast to radical muslims which they believe its the true way
Oh that's right. Cuz they claim to follow Judaism, they follow it to the letter.
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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bigboab
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Originally Posted by
torrentt
the irgun was made in order to respond for the arab aggression and it was not a terror organization, they didn't kill innocet citizens like arab terror organizations
also, jews don't have a reason to make terror acts against innocents and its forbbiden in judaism and why should jews/israeli kill innocents that don't kill other jews/israeli ? this is in contrast to radical muslims which they believe its the true way
Please read my previous post. What I quoted are facts. The Irgun terrorist organization killed many innocent people.
ok, i never heard of these before
but if we count these allegedly terror acts by jews which occur more then 60 years ago, and compare it to the number of terror attacks committed by muslims at that time, or at any other time, till today, its really negligible, and its realy not an answer for "why does people hate israel"
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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torrentt
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Originally Posted by
bigboab
Please read my previous post. What I quoted are facts. The Irgun terrorist organization killed many innocent people.
ok, i never heard of these before
but if we count these allegedly terror acts by jews which occur more then 60 years ago, and compare it to the number of terror attacks committed by muslims at that time, or at any other time, till today, its really negligible, and its realy not an answer for "why does people hate israel"
I was only pointing out that the Irgun bombed and killed innocent people too. If you did not know about that then you are only being taught one side of the story. The Palestinians are probably being taught one side of the story from their point of view. Until both sides realize that they have both been guilty of terrorist acts there will be no progress.
Teach history as it happened.:)
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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bigboab
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Originally Posted by
torrentt
ok, i never heard of these before
but if we count these allegedly terror acts by jews which occur more then 60 years ago, and compare it to the number of terror attacks committed by muslims at that time, or at any other time, till today, its really negligible, and its realy not an answer for "why does people hate israel"
I was only pointing out that the Irgun bombed and killed innocent people too. If you did not know about that then you are only being taught one side of the story. The Palestinians are probably being taught one side of the story from their point of view. Until both sides realize that they have both been guilty of terrorist acts there will be no progress.
Teach history as it happened.:)
but lets talk about things that didn't happend 60 years ago.
lets take Palestinians government, that was chosen by democratic votes. they kill other Palestinians and the opposition with their family members, kiddnapped an israeli soldier more then a year ago, commits terror acts inside israel etc..
Palestinians have multiple terror organizations, they give weapons to children teach them to kill and tell them they will be holy, etc...
sometimes kids try to enter israel with a bomb girdle around their waists and soldiers detect them, then in the investigation they say they where told to do it even that the didn't want to
some things are undeniable such as the brain washes those kids are having since day 1, they are dressed as suicide bombers when they are few months old their toys are real weapons and only seldom from plastic, they have pictures of suicide bombers, on the walls of their kitchen and other rooms, who each killed tens of israelis that where on buses or at the mall shopping or drinking cafe or eating at a restaurant etc..
they are tought that israel shouldn't be existed and the kids answer when asked what do they want to be when grown up, its suicide bombers.
i think their parents should tell them to be doctors or what ever, and not to tell them its good to be suicide bomber and to kill israelis cos they are bad people.
its true that from time to time innocent palestenians die, but it is done unintentionally, like it can happen and done in every army of every country that seek for stopping the guerrilla attacking their country, while those guerrilla are hiding among other innocent palestenians, even that now its their government.
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"Let's talk about things that I consider relevant."
It interesting that Palestinians never let the issue die for 60 years.
I guess cuz so much time passed that their point isn't valid.
Now we are damned if we give in and damn if we don't.
Damned if we don't listen to their issues knowing they are valid.
Damned if we do cuz it makes it loike all teh terrorism worked.
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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Busyman™
"Let's talk about things that I consider relevant."
It interesting that Palestinians never let the issue die for 60 years.
I guess cuz so much time passed that their point isn't valid.
Now we are damned if we give in and damn if we don't.
Damned if we don't listen to their issues knowing they are valid.
Damned if we do cuz it makes it loike all teh terrorism worked.
no, the reason they never let it die is they don't have any other ralic to hold on to
they want this place to themselfs and they want israeli to be vanished, and the only way islam knows is force and death.
israel offered them (camp david) more then what they could have got if they dreamed, but they want all
they don't care to die and i said the reason in my comment above
they where murdering jews here even 100 years ago
its the islam way, in every place on this planet, where there is war, 1 or more of the sides are muslims
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bigboab
Both sides are guilty of terrorism in this conflict. I have said before, in the early years it was the Jewish Terrorist group Irgun who were doing all the bombing and killing of innocent people. Most people when arguing about this situation tend to, or deliberately, forget this fact. I remember when I was at school British people and others were killed by the Jewish terrorists. I have quoted a piece on terrorism just after the second world war;
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1945
http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism...s/dot_clea.gif
October 31
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Jewish terrorist offensive against British rule in Palestine begins, with a wave of bomb attacks on police vehicles, railway sites and Haifa oil refinery. One policeman, one soldier and two railway workers killed.
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November 27
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Eight British soldiers killed in bomb attack on police station Jerusalem, Palestine, in Jewish Irgun terrorist attack.
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January 7
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Three American civilian officials killed when Nazi "Werewolf" terrorists burn down their house in Passau, Germany.
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March 11
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Iranian scholar Amhed Kashravi stabbed to death by Fedayyan-e eslam guerillas in Iran.
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July 22
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Ninety people killed and forty five wounded after Jewish terrorists blow up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, Palestine, which was home to British government and military offices. The terrorists held workers at pistol point while they planted the explosives in the basement of the hotel.
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September 30
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One US soldier killed when ambushed by terrorists at Fort McKinley, Philippines.
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October 31
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British embassy in Rome, Italy, wrecked by two bombs in suit cases left by Jewish Irgun terrorists. No casualties.
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1947
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July 12
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Jewish Irgun terrorists kidnap and then hang two British Army sergeants. The terrorists were trying to secure the release of three Irgun members who had been sentenced to death by the British authorities in Palestine.
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September 29
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Jewish Irgun terrorists bomb police station in Haifa, Palestine, killing four British and four Arab policemen, as well as two Arab civilians. Forty six people injured.
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December 3
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Train derailed near Arras, France, by Communist terrorists killing twenty and injuring forty.
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December 12
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Twenty Arabs, five Jews and two British soldiers killed and thirty wounded in Jewish terrorist bomb attacks on buses in Haifa and Ramleh, Palestine. British mandate to rule Palestine ends on 15 May 1948; state of Israel established.
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December 29
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Jewish Irgun terrorists throw grenades from passing taxi into café near the Damascus gate, Jerusalem, Palestine, killing eleven Arabs and two British policemen.
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January 30
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Indian independence leader and statesman Mahatma Gandhi shot dead in Dehli, India, by Nathuram Vinayak Godse.
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March 7
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Two American diplomats murdered by Viet Minh terrorists in Saigon, Indochina.
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March 11
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Headquarters of the Jewish Agency, Jerusalem, Palestine, destroyed by Arab car bomb killing thirteen and injuring eighty four.
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April 9
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Jewish Irgun terrorist group attacks Deir Yassim, Palestine, murdering two hundred and fifty four Arab women and children captured in the remains of the village.
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Bomb explodes near US embassy in Bogota, Colombia, during Organisation of American States conference.
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May 8
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American CBS correspondent George Polk murdered by three communists in Salonika, Greece, after he was lured to a meeting on a boat in the city's harbour. His body was dumped in the sea.
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July 22
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Pro-peace activist Stephen J Supina, drops home made dynamite bomb on United Nations headquarters in New York, United States. No damage caused and he later surrenders to the authorities.
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September 17
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United Nations mediator in Palestine, Swedish Count Folke Bernadotte, murdered by Jewish Stern gang extremist in Jerusalem, Palestine, who fired at point blank range through window of his official car.
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http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism/terrorism1.htm
In recent years it has been the Palestinian terrorists and Israeli retaliation that made/makes the news. Most of us know all about this.
As you can see, from the above quote, nobody has the moral high ground in this conflict.:(
i remember i did studied about it when i was in school some years ago
http://www.etzel.org.il/english/index.html
check this site, it has an explanation for every incident you mentioned above (some of your quotes have nothing to do to israel)
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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Originally Posted by
torrentt
your an arab/muslim
so u'r opinion doesn't count
next
did u read the subject or u just write these pullshit
we neeeeeeed to talk to know who is right and who is wrong or u make ourself like poor guys and no one care for u
then reply somethin logical:angry::angry:
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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torrentt
what? insect? animal? who?
i just said u'r a muslim
and guess what a muslim will say about israel
so u don't have to say anything we all know what u'r opinion is
and it isn't neutral
realy is that's neutral so tell me why it's neutral pls
tell us if we accuse u wrongfully tell us why more than 1000 million people's opinions are wrong haaaa are all of them stupid ??
and all of u are smart clever
why ?????? god hate us somethin :01:
give us an explanation plssssssssss:naughty::naughty::naughty:
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Fibo
Im not even gonna start to prove you wrong.
But you know what I always wanted to hear an arab/muslim TRY and defend their actions, I wanted to hear there side of the story, because you know what there always is two sides, and I only knew one of them.
But after reading your post...
and which side u knew before
then go ahead and comment pls we need ur opinion
and can u tell us what is ur country pls
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torrentt
also all you say here is fauls or crooked
and maybe if explaining it to you was important i would have done it
ya i think it's important
and u should start from now
cause there is no excuse for not ,,,,,,,
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Fibo
I would have expected this from someone else.
who ?? tell us ??? and we will bring him here ( if that wasn't me :D)
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Fibo
Your Pathetic man, and Ill remember this.
remember it or not .... we don't care for someone who don't need to talk
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I think he has some points. I don't think he is entirely wrong.
here we go
some one talk logicaly:yup:
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Originally Posted by
bigboab
Both sides are guilty of terrorism in this conflict. I have said before, in the early years it was the Jewish Terrorist group Irgun who were doing all the bombing and killing of innocent people. Most people when arguing about this situation tend to, or deliberately, forget this fact. I remember when I was at school British people and others were killed by the Jewish terrorists. I have quoted a piece on terrorism just after the second world war;
http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism/terrorism1.htm
In recent years it has been the Palestinian terrorists and Israeli retaliation that made/makes the news. Most of us know all about this.
As you can see, from the above quote, nobody has the moral high ground in this conflict.:(
i remember i did studied about it when i was in school some years ago
http://www.etzel.org.il/english/index.html
check this site, it has an explanation for every incident you mentioned above (
some of your quotes have nothing to do to israel)
Yes! The explanation is that they were terrorists, first and foremost. Both sides of this conflict are brainwashed from the cradle. That is something that is hard to eradicate. It will never be eradicated by you, or, your link, trying to make excuses for your terrorists killing and maiming innocent people. There is no excuse for killing civilians, full stop.
P.S. My quotes were on all terrorism over a period of years just after the second world war. If I had just singled out the Irgun part of that quote It would not be neutral.:)
Here is another link that you can read;
Read the article in full. for those who cant be bothered here is an extract of the terrorism from both sides in 1947;
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-Ju...6/0605014.html
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1947: A Year of Terror
Jan. 12—Four killed by Irgun terrorist bombing of British headquarters.
Jan. 13—Arab kidnapped and castrated by Jewish terrorists.
March 1—Sixteen Britons killed by Jewish terrorists/Britain invokes martial law
March 10—Jewish informer killed by Jewish terrorists.
March 11—Two British soldiers killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8—British constable killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8—Jewish boy killed by British troops.
April 8—Jew beaten to death by Arabs.
April 22—Eight killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of the Cairo-Haifa train.
April 25—Five killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of British camp.
April 26—British police official killed by Jewish terrorist.
May 8—Three Jewish shops in Tel Aviv whose owners refused to contribute to Jewish terrorist groups burned down by Jewish terrorists.
May 8—Jew killed near Tel Aviv by Arab terrorists.
May 12—Two British policemen killed in Jewish Jerusalem.
May 15—British policeman killed in terrorist ambush.
May 15—Two British soldiers killed in terrorist Stern Gang attack.
May 16—Two British police officers killed by terrorists.
May 18—One Jew killed, one wounded by Arab terrorists.
June 5—Jewish terrorists introduce letter bombs in Middle East.
June 28—Four British soldiers killed in Jewish terrorist raids.
July 3—“Anti-terrorist” Jewish families beaten up by Irgunists.
July 18—British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 19—Another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 20—Yet another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 23—65 Jews killed when Haganah sinks immigration ship.
July 26—Two British soldiers killed in booby trap.
July 29—Three Jews executed by hanging. Jewish terrorists retaliate by hanging two British soldiers.
Aug. 5—Three British police killed by bomb; plot discovered to poison the water supply of non-Jewish parts of Jerusalem with botulism and other bacteria.
Aug. 10—Four Jews killed in Arab terror attack on Tel Aviv café.
Aug. 12—Five Jews, four Arabs killed, others injured, in spread of violent incidents over three days.
Aug. 15—Twelve Palestinians killed in raid by Haganah troops.
Aug. 18—Shops of five Jews in Tel Aviv destroyed by Jewish terrorists.
Aug. 23—Five Arabs of one family—two men, a woman and two children—killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 7—French foil Stern Gang plot to air bomb London.
Sept. 21—British messenger killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 26—Four British policemen killed in Irgun terrorist bank robbery.
Sept. 27—Illegal Jewish immigrant killed by British.
Sept. 29—13 killed, 53 wounded in Irgun terrorist attack on British police station.
Oct. 4—Two Jews killed in ambush, two Arabs killed in retaliation.
Oct. 13—Two British troops killed by Jewish terrorists in Jerusalem.
Oct. 26—Jewish settlement policeman found killed near Gaza.
Nov. 3—Jewish policeman killed, reportedly by Stern Gang after refusing to reveal secret police matters.
Nov. 12—21 killed in British-Jewish clashes.
Nov. 14—Jewish terrorists kill 4 Britons in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv
Nov. 30—Violent riots erupt throughout Arab world following adoption of U.N. partition plan. In Palestine, seven Jews killed and eight wounded in the first day. All told, during the first week at least 159 persons were killed in the Middle East, 66 of them in Palestine.
Dec. 2—Palestinians begin 3-day protest strike; 20 Jews, 15 Arabs killed. Five Arabs and seven Jews were killed the next day during a six-hour battle on the Tel Aviv-Jaffa border.
Dec. 13—35 Palestinian civilians killed in Jewish terrorist attacks.
Dec. 14—14 Jews killed by Arab Legion in retaliation.
Dec. 18—Palmach (“assault companies”) kills 10 Arabs, including 5 children, in nighttime raid on northern Galilee village of Khissas. The following day Haganah troops blew up the home of the village elder of Qazaza in central Palestine, killing several inhabitants. Wrote The Times of London: “While the Jews are suffering mainly through sniping at their road convoys, the Arabs have lost many lives through Jewish assaults on their villages.”
Dec. 20—Haganah raid on village of Qazaza kills one Palestinian.
Dec. 24—Stern Gang member killed for betrayal of another member.
Dec. 25—16 Arabs, Jews and British killed on Christmas.
Dec. 25—Palestinian landowner killed for selling land to Jews.
Dec. 26—Ben-Gurion proposes major offensive to reduce Arab population.
Dec. 26—Jewish terrorists get $107,000 in heists of diamond plants.
Dec. 29—14 Arabs killed by Irgun bomb in Jerusalem.
Dec. 29—Irgun flogs British major and three sergeants.
Dec. 30—41 Jews, 6 Arabs killed in riot sparked by Stern Gang.
Dec. 31—Irgun claims to have killed 374 Arabs and British during year.—D.N.
If you, or anyone, can justify any of the above, I would like to hear it.
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Originally Posted by torrentt
your an arab/muslim
so u'r opinion doesn't count
next
yes you want some American made comment which say "am with "israel" all the way no matter what"
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Originally Posted by
torrentt
the irgun was made in order to respond for the arab aggression and it was not a terror organization
Fath/hamas was made in order to response Jew's/"Israel" aggression and they aren't a terror organization.
they didn't kill innocent citizens like arab terror organizations
c'mon, they did and they still do, the only thing change since is their name, from Irgun to army. i dont know how you can say they dont kill innocent, were you in coma in 2006 or what? you do have internet go check some articles about mass killing of disabled children's in south Lebanon bombing 2006(final solution any1 ?)
also, jews don't have a reason to make terror acts against innocents and its forbbiden in judaism and why should jews/israeli kill innocents that don't kill other jews/israeli ? this is in contrast to radical muslims which they believe its the true way
really you should ask your self(mybe your state), why do they kill innocent mother/father/brother/sister/home simply because his son was the one who blow him self.
why they must bomp a building full of civilians just because one jehadist is living in it.
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lets take Palestinians government, that was chosen by democratic votes. they kill other Palestinians and the opposition with their family members, kiddnapped an israeli soldier more then a year ago, commits terror acts inside israel etc..
Palestinians have multiple terror organizations, they give weapons to children teach them to kill and tell them they will be holy, etc...
what else you guys want more then that, keep neighbor busy and live in peace.
some things are undeniable such as the brain washes those kids are having since day 1, they are dressed as suicide bombers when they are few months old their toys are real weapons and only seldom from plastic,
they have pictures of suicide bombers, on the walls of their kitchen and other rooms, who each killed tens of israelis that where on buses or at the mall shopping or drinking cafe or eating at a restaurant etc..
what do you expect from freedom fighters? seat and say we want our freedom and "israel" gives them on silver plate. why dont you say some thing about Ireland, they also have freedom fighters who almost do same thing.
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no, the reason they never let it die is they don't have any other ralic to hold on to
they want this place to themselfs and they want israeli to be vanished, and the only way islam knows is force and death.
israel offered them (camp david) more then what they could have got if they dreamed, but they want all
they don't care to die and i said the reason in my comment above
they where murdering jews here even 100 years ago
its the islam way, in every place on this planet, where there is war, 1 or more of the sides are muslims
whos more brain washed now?
you see us on every front because we fight our fight unlike you who want america to fight their fight; iraq, iran, syria, lebanon, lybia, every single country which is in USA's watch list has something to do with "Israel".
in your face
they are tought that israel shouldn't be existed and the kids answer when asked what do they want to be when grown up, its suicide bombers.
i think their parents should tell them to be doctors or what ever, and not to tell them its good to be suicide bomber and to kill israelis cos they are bad people.
again more brain washing, not every Palestinian is from hamas party or their supporter and fighting the invator is a legal right of every country men.
its true that from time to time innocent Palestinians die... but it is done unintentionally, like it can happen and done in every army of every country that seek for stopping the guerrilla attacking their country, while those guerrilla are hiding among other innocent palestenians, even that now its their government
...but thats ok as far as a one militant dies in that particular raid.
same thing goes in a so called "suicide bomber" mind when he/she sacrifice himself/herself to pressure on other side for their freedom. the whole thing is based on ideology, the different thinking.
*your whole country was built illegally and then even west agreed on that its just as you say they stopped caring about it after 60 years but how can we/they forget, did you people in Poland liked finding your home being occupied by others after WWII? still you guys bitch about it so why shouldn't we.
*you guys are doing same thing to Palestinians which you think Nazi did to you at that time(hunted becomes the hunter).
*nobody talks about shelters terror in Gaza(then before they get kicked by their own god) and west bank.
*jews were pain in the neck since the early age even to moses it self, in every god damn time they were the center of the problem.
*you talk of the islam way, that they want everything with force, why dont you check your way, who got a peace of land by force and with help of major powers?
who still over comes their every god damn problem by interfering and war?
Islam means peace but it doesn't mean to keep silent where there is unfairness.
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Re: @mievmo-why people hate isreal thing-
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Originally Posted by
bigboab
Quote:
Originally Posted by
torrentt
i remember i did studied about it when i was in school some years ago
http://www.etzel.org.il/english/index.html
check this site, it has an explanation for every incident you mentioned above (
some of your quotes have nothing to do to israel)
Yes! The explanation is that they were terrorists, first and foremost. Both sides of this conflict are brainwashed from the cradle. That is something that is hard to eradicate. It will never be eradicated by you, or, your link, trying to make excuses for your terrorists killing and maiming innocent people. There is no excuse for killing civilians, full stop.
P.S. My quotes were on all terrorism over a period of years just after the second world war. If I had just singled out the Irgun part of that quote It would not be neutral.:)
Here is another link that you can read;
Read the article in full. for those who cant be bothered here is an extract of the terrorism from both sides in 1947;
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-Ju...6/0605014.html
Quote:
1947: A Year of Terror
Jan. 12—Four killed by Irgun terrorist bombing of British headquarters.
Jan. 13—Arab kidnapped and castrated by Jewish terrorists.
March 1—Sixteen Britons killed by Jewish terrorists/Britain invokes martial law
March 10—Jewish informer killed by Jewish terrorists.
March 11—Two British soldiers killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8—British constable killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8—Jewish boy killed by British troops.
April 8—Jew beaten to death by Arabs.
April 22—Eight killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of the Cairo-Haifa train.
April 25—Five killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of British camp.
April 26—British police official killed by Jewish terrorist.
May 8—Three Jewish shops in Tel Aviv whose owners refused to contribute to Jewish terrorist groups burned down by Jewish terrorists.
May 8—Jew killed near Tel Aviv by Arab terrorists.
May 12—Two British policemen killed in Jewish Jerusalem.
May 15—British policeman killed in terrorist ambush.
May 15—Two British soldiers killed in terrorist Stern Gang attack.
May 16—Two British police officers killed by terrorists.
May 18—One Jew killed, one wounded by Arab terrorists.
June 5—Jewish terrorists introduce letter bombs in Middle East.
June 28—Four British soldiers killed in Jewish terrorist raids.
July 3—“Anti-terrorist” Jewish families beaten up by Irgunists.
July 18—British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 19—Another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 20—Yet another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 23—65 Jews killed when Haganah sinks immigration ship.
July 26—Two British soldiers killed in booby trap.
July 29—Three Jews executed by hanging. Jewish terrorists retaliate by hanging two British soldiers.
Aug. 5—Three British police killed by bomb; plot discovered to poison the water supply of non-Jewish parts of Jerusalem with botulism and other bacteria.
Aug. 10—Four Jews killed in Arab terror attack on Tel Aviv café.
Aug. 12—Five Jews, four Arabs killed, others injured, in spread of violent incidents over three days.
Aug. 15—Twelve Palestinians killed in raid by Haganah troops.
Aug. 18—Shops of five Jews in Tel Aviv destroyed by Jewish terrorists.
Aug. 23—Five Arabs of one family—two men, a woman and two children—killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 7—French foil Stern Gang plot to air bomb London.
Sept. 21—British messenger killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 26—Four British policemen killed in Irgun terrorist bank robbery.
Sept. 27—Illegal Jewish immigrant killed by British.
Sept. 29—13 killed, 53 wounded in Irgun terrorist attack on British police station.
Oct. 4—Two Jews killed in ambush, two Arabs killed in retaliation.
Oct. 13—Two British troops killed by Jewish terrorists in Jerusalem.
Oct. 26—Jewish settlement policeman found killed near Gaza.
Nov. 3—Jewish policeman killed, reportedly by Stern Gang after refusing to reveal secret police matters.
Nov. 12—21 killed in British-Jewish clashes.
Nov. 14—Jewish terrorists kill 4 Britons in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv
Nov. 30—Violent riots erupt throughout Arab world following adoption of U.N. partition plan. In Palestine, seven Jews killed and eight wounded in the first day. All told, during the first week at least 159 persons were killed in the Middle East, 66 of them in Palestine.
Dec. 2—Palestinians begin 3-day protest strike; 20 Jews, 15 Arabs killed. Five Arabs and seven Jews were killed the next day during a six-hour battle on the Tel Aviv-Jaffa border.
Dec. 13—35 Palestinian civilians killed in Jewish terrorist attacks.
Dec. 14—14 Jews killed by Arab Legion in retaliation.
Dec. 18—Palmach (“assault companies”) kills 10 Arabs, including 5 children, in nighttime raid on northern Galilee village of Khissas. The following day Haganah troops blew up the home of the village elder of Qazaza in central Palestine, killing several inhabitants. Wrote The Times of London: “While the Jews are suffering mainly through sniping at their road convoys, the Arabs have lost many lives through Jewish assaults on their villages.”
Dec. 20—Haganah raid on village of Qazaza kills one Palestinian.
Dec. 24—Stern Gang member killed for betrayal of another member.
Dec. 25—16 Arabs, Jews and British killed on Christmas.
Dec. 25—Palestinian landowner killed for selling land to Jews.
Dec. 26—Ben-Gurion proposes major offensive to reduce Arab population.
Dec. 26—Jewish terrorists get $107,000 in heists of diamond plants.
Dec. 29—14 Arabs killed by Irgun bomb in Jerusalem.
Dec. 29—Irgun flogs British major and three sergeants.
Dec. 30—41 Jews, 6 Arabs killed in riot sparked by Stern Gang.
Dec. 31—Irgun claims to have killed 374 Arabs and British during year.—D.N.
If you, or anyone, can justify any of the above, I would like to hear it.
everything here are actions committed due to terror activities preformed by arabs or for
it will take all of my time to search for explanations individually and i have better things too do
yet again, u bring me quotes of more then 60 years ago of mandatorily regime which every action it didn't do, was "terror act", without any background for this.
additionally, these irgun, hagana etc, where not friends so to speak, with the british mandate at that time, and thats why they wouldn't call them underground or jews protection groups, but they will call them terroristsits like u'll give me a quote that million of nazis where murders by russia,uk and usa.
it won't be a neutral quote cos it could have come from the nasiz themselfs and you didn't write what is the reason, usa, uk and russia killed them
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bawa
stop saying freedom fighter, they go inside israel and kill peopla from all ages 0 to 90+
u need to know what is a discussion table, and stop educating kids and then sending them to kill, u area beasts.
and i don't thing its worth commenthing on other clueless things u've said
just pry the history and see that we occupied territories witch weren't the Palestinians in wars the arabs nations surrounding israel started with smalls israel
but, with peace agreements and in time, most of the territories where given back
but look at gaza, so many inside terror acts, arabs kill arabs and little arab kids and elders and babies. how can we make peace with such barbarians?
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Originally Posted by
torrentt
bawa
stop saying freedom fighter, they go inside israel and kill peopla from all ages 0 to 90+
u need to know what is a discussion table, and stop educating kids and then sending them to kill, u area beasts.
and i don't thing its worth commenthing on other clueless things u've said
just pry the history and see that we occupied territories witch weren't the Palestinians in wars the arabs nations surrounding israel started with smalls israel
but, with peace agreements and in time, most of the territories where given back
but look at gaza, so many inside terror acts, arabs kill arabs and little arab kids and elders and babies. how can we make peace with such barbarians?
they go inside "Israel" and you go from one occupied land to another, you also kill from 0 to 90, as i said both are fighting for survival.
and you must 1st educate your self and stop relying on your leaders.
those land weren't Palestinian but they were arab lands and lived by arabs not jews, who give you the rights to simply take whats not yours.
and one thing which almost everybody agrees on is they know which side is more barbaric then other http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/images/icons/icon2.gif
and dont act like your not happy with Gaza situation, your loving it as much as olmert dose.
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Originally Posted by
torrentt
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Originally Posted by
bigboab
Yes! The explanation is that they were terrorists, first and foremost. Both sides of this conflict are brainwashed from the cradle. That is something that is hard to eradicate. It will never be eradicated by you, or, your link, trying to make excuses for your terrorists killing and maiming innocent people. There is no excuse for killing civilians, full stop.
P.S. My quotes were on all terrorism over a period of years just after the second world war. If I had just singled out the Irgun part of that quote It would not be neutral.:)
Here is another link that you can read;
Read the article in full. for those who cant be bothered here is an extract of the terrorism from both sides in 1947;
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/May-Ju...6/0605014.html
Quote:
1947: A Year of Terror
Jan. 12—Four killed by Irgun terrorist bombing of British headquarters.
Jan. 13—Arab kidnapped and castrated by Jewish terrorists.
March 1—Sixteen Britons killed by Jewish terrorists/Britain invokes martial law
March 10—Jewish informer killed by Jewish terrorists.
March 11—Two British soldiers killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8—British constable killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8—Jewish boy killed by British troops.
April 8—Jew beaten to death by Arabs.
April 22—Eight killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of the Cairo-Haifa train.
April 25—Five killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of British camp.
April 26—British police official killed by Jewish terrorist.
May 8—Three Jewish shops in Tel Aviv whose owners refused to contribute to Jewish terrorist groups burned down by Jewish terrorists.
May 8—Jew killed near Tel Aviv by Arab terrorists.
May 12—Two British policemen killed in Jewish Jerusalem.
May 15—British policeman killed in terrorist ambush.
May 15—Two British soldiers killed in terrorist Stern Gang attack.
May 16—Two British police officers killed by terrorists.
May 18—One Jew killed, one wounded by Arab terrorists.
June 5—Jewish terrorists introduce letter bombs in Middle East.
June 28—Four British soldiers killed in Jewish terrorist raids.
July 3—“Anti-terrorist” Jewish families beaten up by Irgunists.
July 18—British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 19—Another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 20—Yet another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 23—65 Jews killed when Haganah sinks immigration ship.
July 26—Two British soldiers killed in booby trap.
July 29—Three Jews executed by hanging. Jewish terrorists retaliate by hanging two British soldiers.
Aug. 5—Three British police killed by bomb; plot discovered to poison the water supply of non-Jewish parts of Jerusalem with botulism and other bacteria.
Aug. 10—Four Jews killed in Arab terror attack on Tel Aviv café.
Aug. 12—Five Jews, four Arabs killed, others injured, in spread of violent incidents over three days.
Aug. 15—Twelve Palestinians killed in raid by Haganah troops.
Aug. 18—Shops of five Jews in Tel Aviv destroyed by Jewish terrorists.
Aug. 23—Five Arabs of one family—two men, a woman and two children—killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 7—French foil Stern Gang plot to air bomb London.
Sept. 21—British messenger killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 26—Four British policemen killed in Irgun terrorist bank robbery.
Sept. 27—Illegal Jewish immigrant killed by British.
Sept. 29—13 killed, 53 wounded in Irgun terrorist attack on British police station.
Oct. 4—Two Jews killed in ambush, two Arabs killed in retaliation.
Oct. 13—Two British troops killed by Jewish terrorists in Jerusalem.
Oct. 26—Jewish settlement policeman found killed near Gaza.
Nov. 3—Jewish policeman killed, reportedly by Stern Gang after refusing to reveal secret police matters.
Nov. 12—21 killed in British-Jewish clashes.
Nov. 14—Jewish terrorists kill 4 Britons in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv
Nov. 30—Violent riots erupt throughout Arab world following adoption of U.N. partition plan. In Palestine, seven Jews killed and eight wounded in the first day. All told, during the first week at least 159 persons were killed in the Middle East, 66 of them in Palestine.
Dec. 2—Palestinians begin 3-day protest strike; 20 Jews, 15 Arabs killed. Five Arabs and seven Jews were killed the next day during a six-hour battle on the Tel Aviv-Jaffa border.
Dec. 13—35 Palestinian civilians killed in Jewish terrorist attacks.
Dec. 14—14 Jews killed by Arab Legion in retaliation.
Dec. 18—Palmach (“assault companies”) kills 10 Arabs, including 5 children, in nighttime raid on northern Galilee village of Khissas. The following day Haganah troops blew up the home of the village elder of Qazaza in central Palestine, killing several inhabitants. Wrote The Times of London: “While the Jews are suffering mainly through sniping at their road convoys, the Arabs have lost many lives through Jewish assaults on their villages.”
Dec. 20—Haganah raid on village of Qazaza kills one Palestinian.
Dec. 24—Stern Gang member killed for betrayal of another member.
Dec. 25—16 Arabs, Jews and British killed on Christmas.
Dec. 25—Palestinian landowner killed for selling land to Jews.
Dec. 26—Ben-Gurion proposes major offensive to reduce Arab population.
Dec. 26—Jewish terrorists get $107,000 in heists of diamond plants.
Dec. 29—14 Arabs killed by Irgun bomb in Jerusalem.
Dec. 29—Irgun flogs British major and three sergeants.
Dec. 30—41 Jews, 6 Arabs killed in riot sparked by Stern Gang.
Dec. 31—Irgun claims to have killed 374 Arabs and British during year.—D.N.
If you, or anyone, can justify any of the above, I would like to hear it.
everything here are actions committed due to terror activities preformed by arabs or for
it will take all of my time to search for explanations individually and i have better things too do
yet again, u bring me quotes of more then 60 years ago of mandatorily regime which every action it didn't do, was "terror act", without any background for this.
additionally, these irgun, hagana etc, where not friends so to speak, with the british mandate at that time, and thats why they wouldn't call them underground or jews protection groups, but they will call them terroristsits like u'll give me a quote that million of nazis where murders by russia,uk and usa.
it won't be a neutral quote cos it could have come from the nasiz themselfs and you didn't write what is the reason, usa, uk and russia killed them
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I don't think I will discuss this subject with you any further. It is pretty obvious you can only see one side of the conflict. As for your last quote about Nazis etc? We are not discussing the Nazis. We were discussing the Arab/Israeli conflict and why do people hate the Israelis, with regard to that conflict.
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i didn't talk about the nazis, i just gave an example of your quotes's approach
if u don't want to discuss about this any more, its my pleasure
and i do not see only 1 side of the story, i feel sorry for all the innocent arabs that die by israel's army or by other arabs, but what other country's army can fight terror and kill 0 innocents? if there was no arab terror, idf would not have had to make actions in the palestenian territory.
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if isreal didn't occupied Arabian lands in the first place ,didn't slaughter people for many years and obey the UN orders 242 and many others .
if isreal didn't bomb UN BASES in Lebanon , if isreal didn't bomb the red cross camps and if it allows water and food to Gaza .
above all if it stops blackmailing the world and stop twisting the facts
maybe there will be no struggle
man ,they killed kids and women and you call this fighting terrorism come on
in Palestine people are struggling against occupation they are not terrorists
don't twist the facts please
till now you didn't give us a simple document reversing any of what i saying
all you try to do is taking the discussion somewhere else .
you are the one who talking about religion here .
we talk about countries and occupied lands and international law and you judge us by our religion and talk about Nazis .
you just try to run away from the discussion hoping you can take the people eyes from the facts i deliver in this thread.
it's ok.
thanks for your comments any way cause your behavior only proves me right.
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silverfaller
you judge us by our religion
Well, when your government is dominated by religion, it becomes hard not to talk about it. You talk about what Israel does and forget to mention what Palestine does. To me it sounds like you are saying they are just being all peaceful and the big bad Israel is pushing you around. I can't really recall Israel making statements like Palestine or Syrtia or whatever other country will soon be wiped off the face of the earth. I don't think Israel schools are teaching their children in their textbooks that another nationality is the devil and should be killed. I also don't see Israel burning books (Nazis anyone?) or cutting off peoples ears and noses for simply shaving. I also don't see Israel making their women second rate citizens. I have yet to see where Israel thinks it is ok to kill someone for not converting to their faith.
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silverfall -u are twisting my words
i didn't talk about nazis, just gave them inside an example of bob's quotes
israel give gaza water, electricity, place to work inside israel etc.. so don't lie
and as i already said, if there where no terror acts by the arabs, idf wouldn't have had to go inside your territories and stop the terrorists.
if you stop sending kids with weapons to shoot soldiers or throw stones or i don't care what, those kids would still be alive so none of the blame should be point out towards israel
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1-your country is the only country that built on a religious myth "the promise land thing"
But its not the only country built on religion..so whats the difference?
"1- isrealis are the only people who crying and nagging when anyone touch them like they are special or gods; kind of annoying you know"
Your just pulling things out your ass right now..you should plug that leak..possibly with your head.
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HeavyMetalParkingLot
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Originally Posted by
silverfaller
you judge us by our religion
Well, when your government is dominated by religion, it becomes hard not to talk about it. You talk about what Israel does and forget to mention what Palestine does. To me it sounds like you are saying they are just being all peaceful and the big bad Israel is pushing you around. I can't really recall Israel making statements like Palestine or Syrtia or whatever other country will soon be wiped off the face of the earth. I don't think Israel schools are teaching their children in their textbooks that another nationality is the devil and should be killed. I also don't see Israel burning books (Nazis anyone?) or cutting off peoples ears and noses for simply shaving. I also don't see Israel making their women second rate citizens. I have yet to see where Israel thinks it is ok to kill someone for not converting to their faith.
my country isn't a religious country
i'm from Egypt and we don't teach our kids any of what you are saying.
and we treat our women equally .
please read about us before talking
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Smith
1-your country is the only country that built on a religious myth "the promise land thing"
But its not the only country built on religion..so whats the difference?
"1- isrealis are the only people who crying and nagging when anyone touch them like they are special or gods; kind of annoying you know"
Your just pulling things out your ass right now..you should plug that leak..possibly with your head.
talking about my ass won't help you.
isreal built on a religious myth that's fact ,there is no other country in the world built on a myth.
as religious state there are few countries in the world their constitution declares they a religious country.
now instead of insulting me i urge you to read more
just stop talking about ass like you are a big man
just use your head instead of using your mouth
it will help you
and still you are all here try to make a fight and insulting me .
using bad words for what?
if my words hurt you this bad.
sorry truth hurt
if you want to read an american words
http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis7.html
this is Mr. Francis A. Boyle is a Professor in International Law
Israel's War Crimes against Palestinians
We all have a general idea of what a war crime is, so I am not going to elaborate upon that term here. But there are different degrees of heinousness for war crimes. In particular are the more serious war crimes denominated "grave breaches" of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Since the start of the Al Aqsa Intifada, the world has seen those inflicted every day by Israel against the Palestinian People living in occupied Palestine: e.g., willful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and Israel's illegal paramilitary settlers. These Israeli "grave breaches" of the Fourth Geneva Convention mandate universal prosecution for their perpetrators, whether military or civilian, as well as prosecution for their commanders, whether military or civilian, including Israel's political leaders.
Israel's Crimes Against Humanity against Palestinians
But I want to focus for a moment on Israel's "crime against humanity" against the Palestinian People -- as determined by the U.N. Human Rights Commission itself, set up pursuant to the requirements of the United Nations Charter. What is a "crime against humanity"? This concept goes all the way back to the Nuremberg Charter of 1945 for the trial of the major Nazi war criminals. And in the Nuremberg Charter of 1945, drafted by the United States Government, there was created and inserted a new type of international crime specifically intended to deal with the Nazi persecution of the Jewish People.
The paradigmatic example of a "crime against humanity" is what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People. This is where the concept of crime against humanity came from. And this is what the U.N. Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian People: Crimes against humanity. Legally, just like what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews.
The Precursor to Genocide
Moreover, a crime against humanity is the direct historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The theory here was that what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jewish People required a special international treaty that would codify and universalize the Nuremberg concept of "crime against humanity." And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention.
In fairness, you will note that the U.N. Human Rights Commission did not go so far as to condemn Israel for committing genocide against the Palestinian People. But it has condemned Israel for committing crimes against humanity, which is the direct precursor to genocide. And I submit that if something is not done quite soon by the American People and the International Community to stop Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian People, it could very well degenerate into genocide, if Israel is not there already. And in this regard, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is what international lawyers call a genocidaire--one who has already committed genocide in the past.
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u are great silverfaller but i'm realy busy
i will be beside u against thes pple just i need sometime pls
and i will be here
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i see u like talking about the time 60 years ago and even earlier
lets see the palestinians undisputed leader at that time, a good friend of adolf hitler.
he even crerated a muslim SS unit, to help the nazis kill jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxjb_deXlo
lets see u make a comment on that
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torrentt
i see u like talking about the time 60 years ago and even earlier
lets see the palestinians undisputed leader at that time, a good friend of adolf hitler.
he even crerated a muslim SS unit, to help the nazis kill jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azxjb_deXlo
lets see u make a comment on that
so way Jews talking about" Nazism" and "crematorium" it now i think more than 60 year did u forget crematorium :shutup:
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silverfaller
my country isn't a religious country
i'm from Egypt and we don't teach our kids any of what you are saying.
Yeah. It's not as if Egypt runs anti-jewish cartoons in their newspapers or have anti-jewish demonstrations, or show anti-jewish TV-shows or anything. Or that they've made just being a zionist illegal. And let's not talk about the Saudis, real paragons of tolerance they are.
