hi again sorry for all the posts, i have recently been using Europe servers based in amsterdam, but the ssl servers i am using are only in georgia, usa. is it just as safe to use a US server as it is to use a Europe server?
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hi again sorry for all the posts, i have recently been using Europe servers based in amsterdam, but the ssl servers i am using are only in georgia, usa. is it just as safe to use a US server as it is to use a Europe server?
Yep, should be no different. Dont see Big Brother coming to shut down Giganews any time soon
thats good to hear thanks for the response
You're just fine.
I'm using Giganews which just so happens to be just a few miles from me in Austin, Texas.
Also, to quote Beck38 as he put is nicely...
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Usenet servers are (and have been for many many years), in the U.S., come under 'common carrier' laws and regulations, like the phone company. The telcos cannot be sued for what they 'carry' (i.e., like a bomb threat for instance), or satellite companies (like 'Playboy' or Howard Stern) as they come under 'common carrier' laws. In fact, they are 'required' to carry any and all paid traffic, going back to 1934; very settled law.
Wow, didnt know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Pretty cool law :ph34r:
Hell, it's one of the few US laws that actually makes sense. A shame they weren't all so sane.
dont be ridiculous. usenet do not come under common carrier statutes. the services covered are defined by the statutes. if usenet was common carrier then usenet companies could no have a acceptable use policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Read this - http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15105566
As far as I know, all common carriers have Use Policies :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by phamdont be ridiculous. usenet do not come under common carrier statutes. the services covered are defined by the statutes. if usenet was common carrier then usenet companies could no have a acceptable use policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Thanks for the link Skizo, learn something every day. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Since you're so close to giganews, can you give those servers a little "umph?" I have trouble getting 100mbps at school. Pretty close though.
the wishful ramblings of the uninformed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
read this
http://www.ecos.sourceware.org/ml/au.../msg00420.html
russ allbery is the author of inn one of the big usenet news servers
how about an actual usenet service provider
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopi...arrier#p401560
they probably have a lawyer that checked, so thinks i will take their opinion of their legal status over other wishful thinking posts by random posters
And why should we trust that your "source" is any more informed?Quote:
Originally Posted by phamthe wishful ramblings of the uninformed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
read this
http://www.ecos.sourceware.org/ml/au.../msg00420.html
russ allbery is the author of inn one of the big usenet news servers
how about an actual usenet service provider
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopi...arrier#p401560
they probably have a lawyer that checked, so thinks i will take their opinion of their legal status over other wishful thinking posts by random posters
The first writer states :
"If you're currently making decisions based on your believe that CPAN is a common carrier, I'd recommend that you check that belief with competent legal counsel."
I'm not familiar with the term or whether it has fuck all to do with NGs, but I'll assume so at the moment for the sake of argument.
The second link is just another forum post. I have no reason to buy into what they're selling any more than the forum post you're attempting to debunk. :ermm:
Still no references to any laws. Just opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by phamthe wishful ramblings of the uninformed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
read this
http://www.ecos.sourceware.org/ml/au.../msg00420.html
russ allbery is the author of inn one of the big usenet news servers
how about an actual usenet service provider
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopi...arrier#p401560
they probably have a lawyer that checked, so thinks i will take their opinion of their legal status over other wishful thinking posts by random posters
how can you have a reference to a law that does no exist? ask me too to prove that your movie theater is not a common carrier?
Read up and have fun:Quote:
Originally Posted by pham
http://www.davros.org/legal/carriers.html#carriers
As far as i know the usenet providers have value-added common carrier status.
That says nothing about Internet, show me law that gives Usenet providers or even Internet providers with common carrier! There are many laws to say many things but pointing at unrelevant law is not useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiForceRead up and have fun:Quote:
Originally Posted by pham
http://www.davros.org/legal/carriers.html#carriers
You seem to be the leading expert here. Why don't you kindly show us?Quote:
Originally Posted by phamThat says nothing about Internet, show me law that gives Usenet providers or even Internet providers with common carrier! There are many laws to say many things but pointing at unrelevant law is not useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiForce
BUT can they 'grass' people up for what they download from their servers???
I don't know any usenetprovider that logs what you download, they just log the amount of traffic.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoneFreak
If you use secure connections you should be even more "safe" but personally I don't think it's going to happen that anyone is spying on you, unless you download/upload child porn etc.