Mods, spying and security

This is a really serious question to think about.

as there are ups and downs for trading invites/accounts and people who agree and disagree (or even both) to this act, there are people here in fst who spy to trackers mods who may be part of of this communinty known to the other users or hiding themselves among the traders. (till now i am not saying these mods use thier previlidge here to spy against traders)


however,

i am sure every mod here is a member of some trackers and a good portion of them are mods and sysops. (most of them known here)

as the non-mod traders dont have a lot of power to get much informaiton about who u might be, mods may have.

for example
are can they see my IP addree
if they do :dabs:, will Brandon, for example, disable my FTN account once i trade an FTN invite based on the information he gets beased on his previlidge as a mod here?
(i naively think they are not given such information)
just trying to be sure

on the other hand, why will the owners of this site welcome trackers mods here and give them previlidge to detect the traders while allowing traders develop their business here (just a thought)

another question, why will u mods (i mean trackers mods) come here to see your trackers members trade invites here and u are standing still about it. (i guess this means u agree that trading is allowed)

A disclaimer: :D

i am not accusing any mod of spying here, i am jsut guessing they have the power to do so and i am asking whether they do and also asking about their feelings and attitudes as mods in a website that allows what they forbid in their own sites.

i hope people here believe in a proper democracy (i dont mean the bush style) :cool:

I don't think you understand that Comm Reps and their stars does not make them a MOD here.

You may wish to edit your OP with that in mind.

I dont think theres any problem with Community Reps here, Though I'm pretty sure ftwr has some sort of deal or connection with one of the mods here.

since when did trying to stop account and invite trading and protecting the overall integrity of your tracker from bad users become spying?

My attitude was always if you have nothing to hide and play by the rules , I could give a rats ass how many are lurking here . Mind you their only human and if they take offence to one of my invites or posts and ban me , I'll deal with it .


With out rules on their trackers I guess it causes a heap of problems , someone like me with a Warez background has problems with all the rules . That said they keep Trojans and miscreants to a minimum so its a catch 22 .

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Originally Posted by peat moss

My attitude was always if you have nothing to hide and play by the rules , I could give a rats ass how many are lurking here . Mind you their only human and if they take offence to one of my invites or posts and ban me , I'll deal with it .


With out rules on their trackers I guess it causes a heap of problems , someone like me with a Warez background has problems with all the rules . That said they keep Trojans and miscreants to a minimum so its a catch 22 .

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Well put. Hell, we can close this thread now. That says it all.

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Originally Posted by psxcite

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Originally Posted by peat moss

My attitude was always if you have nothing to hide and play by the rules , I could give a rats ass how many are lurking here . Mind you their only human and if they take offence to one of my invites or posts and ban me , I'll deal with it .


With out rules on their trackers I guess it causes a heap of problems , someone like me with a Warez background has problems with all the rules . That said they keep Trojans and miscreants to a minimum so its a catch 22 .

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Well put. Hell, we can close this thread now. That says it all.

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I think so too , hell I forgot to vote ! :D So Yes not a problem . Errr no I mean .

ok i think its good to have them here so we can discuss them if we have problems.
but the thing every day we get new mode tracker that prevent torrent trading or even giveaway here and said the acc will disable so we need to pot thread with there site rules what to trade? is inv allowed? is acc allowed? or what ??
we here in fst trading section we need rules so not acc disabled for nothing.

not a problem for me beecause I haven't traded anything and haven't broken any site rules. if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. I like having them around incase there's something I need help with.

I have nothing against traders, even if it is breaking the rules, it has nothing to do with me so I don't care either way.

ummm, what was the question? And hasnt this thread been done before.

Invite/Account trading is a security issue. You are a member of there tracker, a service they offer for the most part free. Stop bitching about their rules. If you dont like it leave.

community reps arent mods here....

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Originally Posted by import_fighter

community reps arent mods here....

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:yup:

so your poll doesnt make any sense at all ..

I just use my invisible cloak.

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Originally Posted by DV8type

Invite/Account trading is a security issue. You are a member of there tracker, a service they offer for the most part free. Stop bitching about their rules. If you dont like it leave.

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Well said DV8Type. If you follow the rules and don't cheat, you will be fine. If you decide to trade invites/account then that will be your choice. Just simply don't trade and invites were meant to be free.

There is a difference between a MOD (me, Patriot, Corey, DefianceX, Skizo etc..) to a Community Rep. They can't do anything special you can't.. I can :shifty: :lol:

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Originally Posted by tralalala

There is a difference between a MOD (me, Patriot, Corey, DefianceX, Skizo etc..) to a Community Rep. They can't do anything special you can't.. I can :shifty: :lol:

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One of them in there is both, what do you say to that, there used to be another also.

BTW I could care less, see Peat Moss's post for more Info.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

There is a difference between a MOD (me, Patriot, Corey, DefianceX, Skizo etc..) to a Community Rep. They can't do anything special you can't.. I can :shifty: :lol:

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Well then close this thread , it serves no purpose just pisses people off . :)

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Originally Posted by DV8type

And hasnt this thread been done before.

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its been done several times. :frusty:

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Originally Posted by DV8type

ummm, what was the question? And hasnt this thread been done before.

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:lol:

There's no option for 'wtf?!'

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Originally Posted by kaffeine

There's no option for 'wtf?!'

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or one for WGAS

ohhhh shit you got us we are not here to try to make sure are site rules are followed and to help you we are all 007's waiting for the right time to strike oh balls again i blow are cover :D

Just to answer the poll, Yes, I'm comfortable with mods/comm reps since I don't trade (well maybe except if someone hack my fst acc :P)

Why wouldn't you feel comfortable ? They're here to help and prevent security leaks for their sites.In both ways everyone's a winner.

This Is Good For Trades And They Will Not Get Away

what about giveaways. do private trackers allow them? i mean the giver is risking his own account, so its in his best interest to pick candidates that will follow the rules.

if i had to guess i'd say giveaways were agreeable.

I GUESS NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE TRACKERS' RULES
IT'S THEIR TRACKER SO IT'S THEIR RULES....WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT
LIKE IT OR NOT
BUT THE FACT THAT MANY TRACKERS' ADMINS ARE IN HERE MAKES TRADING IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE
AND AS MANY PEOPLE HERE TRY TO KISS A** FOR EVERY ADMIN OR MOD JUST TO GET INVITES.
NOT TO FORGET THE FACT : THESE ADMINS BANNED MANY ACCOUNTS HERE IF THEY JUST SUSPECT YOU TRADE OR GIVING AWAY INVITES IN A WAY THEY DON'T LIKE.
I THINK IT SUCKS.
THEY THROUGH TWO OR THREE INVITES ONCE AND WHILE JUST TO PAY OUR SILENCE
AND I THINK THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
THIS FORUM IS ABOUT SHARING INVITES AND SHARING INVITES BY GIVEAWAYS IS AGAINST MANY TRACKERS RULES
AND IF THEY MUST BE HERE ,THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO ENTER THE BIT INVITE'S SECTION

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Originally Posted by SAM

SHARING INVITES BY GIVEAWAYS IS AGAINST MANY TRACKERS RULES

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As far as I can tell, Oink doesn't ban for invites that are given away. And Oink is really strict on cheaters.

Ok im a little bit lost here, lets face it basically all (if not most) trackers say in there rules that its not allowed to trade invites and most the mods/admins of FSt here say we should all respect them rules and if they are here watching people trade and ya get caught them tuff titties. Well it begs the Q IMO why the hell is there a bit torrent invite section if it is against most sites rules lol its like a fly trap - come here trade ya invites get caught and banned, IDK it dont make sense to me :frusty:

well, i wasn't talk about oink
but you have tl,potuk and many others they rules are strict
they tell you if you want to give invites, give them to your friends only or on invite only forum
and about oink
they ban you for anything and everything
many people got banned here cause they just ask what their account worth
others for just saying they have an oink account
come on

and if they have to be here cause they help us when we have a problem with the tracker
what are irc channels for ,then?!!
they shouldn't be allowed to watch us and track the trades and the invites
and they banned fst members cause they trading
i don't get it, the forum allows us to trade and allow them to watch us so we get banned
how come ?

I was going to stay out of this but decided I couldn't hold back.

The Comm reps are a great addition to this forum. They help people, give out invites and generally make things here more interesting. The only people that have something to fear are the traders, and from what I understand they already have a private place they can do that so what's the problem?

It's the invites section ffs not the trading section. Trading and invite giving are allowed because it's going to happen anyway whether it is here or elsewhere. You'll notice that some trackers that have deals with the staff aren't allowed to be traded here end of story. The Comm reps aren't spying, if your really worried there are other forums where you can trade/giveaway invites, so this is really a non-discussion.

if this is true then fst shouldn't allowed trading but in fact trading is allowed here .
and right traders have their private place but how can it be private ?
the answer is simple
when the tracker admins and their mods not allowed in the invite's section
then it will be private
they can do their job in the bit torrent section
and by the way how many members here get a chance and win in their giveaways and how many members here get invites from tracker admins
only ftn admin and nb admin who made giveaways in the last couple months
60 days ... two giveaways.....6 invites
how many accounts got banned ............. hundreds
i know you are anti-trader sear and i don't like trading too
but it's about what's wrong and what's right
this bit invite section is for fst members not trackers' admins not trackers' mods
and by the way
it's invite section not invite's giveaway section

No, a lot of mods ban people for giving invites out. This isnt simply a trading thing. Giving an invite out to someone is just as bad to many trackers as trading an account.

Anyone who has an association with a torrent site should either be banned from the invite section or have their activity on this site closely watched. If this is a community for sharing files, and there is an active group in this community that is trying to stop the free spread of files, then that group should be taken care of. I understand that they only want the best people on their site. Then again, they dont take ANY of that into consideration when they go on a banning spree and ban an entire invite tree of people.

It is a GIANT conflict of interests to have both a trading forum, which is what the "Bittorrent Invite" section basically is, and a group of people hell bent on finding traders and banning them from sites.

well, i have to clear something out though
trackers admins and their mods can be here no problem with that
in fact some of them are helpful and very nice
but the invite section is for fst members only
i think my point is clear now

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Originally Posted by SAM

if this is true then fst shouldn't allowed trading but in fact trading is allowed here .
and right traders have their private place but how can it be private ? the answer is simple
when the tracker admins and their mods not allowed in the invite's section then it will be private

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It's not a private section the whole internet can have access after a month. If your so worried think about it like this the comm reps are here in the open, not lurking around the corner hiding waiting for you to trade which is what will happen if they where kicked out. Besides there are other more private places for trading than the BT Invites section if you don't feel safe well...

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they can do their job in the bit torrent section

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They're not here to do a job :rolleyes: many have been members for a long time. They may represent their trackers but the last thing they're here for is work.

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and by the way how many members here get a chance and win in their giveaways and how many members here get invites from tracker admins only ftn admin and nb admin who made giveaways in the last couple months 60 days ... two giveaways.....6 invites how many accounts got banned ............. hundreds

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what do you want them to do become public, or let in every fst member (basically public)

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i know you are anti-trader sear and i don't like trading too but it's about what's wrong and what's right this bit invite section is for fst members not trackers' admins not trackers' mods and by the way it's invite section not invite's giveaway section

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They are members too m8 not worker bees here to service the help desk, they've just been awarded a special status to let us know who they are. In the end they'll be here any way there is no keeping them out.

One final word I'm sorry to have gotten caught up in this useless argument. The FST staff aren't going to do away with the Comm Reps so it's all a moot point.

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Originally Posted by SAM

but the invite section is for fst members only

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Just out of curiosity, what make you a FST member and others NOT?

So... I just came to think of this. Mods for other tracker sites that have been regulating (aka banning accounts) using the FST boards claim that "invites" should only be given to friends. What if you build a friendship with someone on these boards (and most likely they're from another country) and decide to give them an invite to one of your sites. Is this legal in the mods eyes just as long as it's not publicly announced (i.e. in giveaways, etc.)?

Then again I suppose a giveaway wouldn't really *be* given to friends, but what if one of your new found buddies posts asking for soandso invite since they see you have it?

Just food for thought. :happy:

it's a moot point so we just shut up :)
look if they here cause they are old members and good members so how come they ban their fellow members... looks bad :D
and if they not here for work how come they ban their trackers members... isn't this work
no one said they spies no one said they are bad
but trading is allowed here and they banned fst members that follow the rules of fst
so how come that the members that followed the rules of the forum get banned by other members of the same forum........ironic :)
having trackers admins or mods don't bother me or worried me
all my invites and trackers i got from fst members here not from admins or mods
but i think fst should protect their members from getting harm and getting banned from trackers right

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Originally Posted by seppypom

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Originally Posted by SAM

but the invite section is for fst members only

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Just out of curiosity, what make you a FST member and others NOT?

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let's face it
you are a member here and a tracker admin
doesn't that conflict with your actions as a members here
i won't blame you for banning members who trading invites
but you see it and i see it
many people here get banned not for trading
some get banned here for just giving away invites
like people who giving away tl invites
and you are a member here so how come you ban your fellow member who goes with book and obey your fst rules
does this look right to you.

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Originally Posted by muyoso

No, a lot of mods ban people for giving invites out. This isnt simply a trading thing. Giving an invite out to someone is just as bad to many trackers as trading an account.

Anyone who has an association with a torrent site should either be banned from the invite section or have their activity on this site closely watched. If this is a community for sharing files, and there is an active group in this community that is trying to stop the free spread of files, then that group should be taken care of. I understand that they only want the best people on their site. Then again, they dont take ANY of that into consideration when they go on a banning spree and ban an entire invite tree of people.

It is a GIANT conflict of interests to have both a trading forum, which is what the "Bittorrent Invite" section basically is, and a group of people hell bent on finding traders and banning them from sites.

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Please tell me how do you intend to disable accounts of community represantatives here?
Btw, there's no confict of interests here. Such conflict could arise if a person is both a moderator here and a moderator at the tracker.

@SAM
Regular FST users don't have to follow a certain code of conduct, so there're no contradicting intentions here. Comm reps don't have obligations to all FST users, they have obligations only to good (whatever it could mean) users of their trackers.

no
the conflict is the same mod here or not
still he can ban you from his tracker anyway only because you trade ignoring the fact it's ok to trade according to fst rules
so he is against fst rules and don't like them
so he doesn't accept the forum rules that he has to agree with in order to register
so how come he is still a member in a forum he doesn't like its rules and he works against it and against its members .
and about the mods here all of them are fine , i never saw any mod here ban a member cause he traded invites regarding his tracker
in fact i think they understand
most of the bit torrent section mods were traders so they understand
and they never ever will harm any fst member in any way
that's why rossco and reality picked them in the first place
and the other mods are very helpful look at skizo, barbarosa, lynx
hell, i mocked barbarosa avtar for two days and nothing he did in fact he helped me more
you saw brandon giveaway
who helped in this giveaway ; skizo
he didn't sleep till it finished
and he kept brandon from closing the thread many times :)
brandon and his temper :D
and we have patriot for ever and tarlala i think and the rest
really helpful people
and chwie, good man helped me alot and cheer me up and stand besides me
by the way, we have to save chwie :)
so our mods even if they are trackers admins they nenver harm us in any way
we are talking here about members who are not fst staff .