RIAA impact on industry

I have been thinking. I wonder if the RIAA understands the impact of closing oink. I used to get all my music from oink. I could hear of something, then download it from oink. I could listen to the band and enjoy their music. Prior to me joining oink I didn't listen to new music. I was listening to the fossil rock that i was raised with and some trance from my partying days. Regardless there was no new music being listened to and no money going to new artists. Since discovering oink, I have been exposed to all sorts of new music. I have fallen in love with a band that i would never have listened to without it. I have been to their concert and i even bought a t-shirt. Thank you oink for exposing me to music I would never have heard. I guess until I find a repacement, i'll go back to the tunes i grew up with in the 70's and 80's. I guess i can turn on the radio for that. All my favorite classic rock tunes are on 101.1fm free all day. Everything else is on various formats of media. Unless they wanna take the radio station down for giving everybody the opportunity to listen to music for free and making money from "donations" or advertizing revenue. Another issue i see is that in Canada we pay a levy .22cents per cdr that we buy. No matter what its used for, we still pay the levy to the recording industry. We have been told its to pay for the right to put music downloaded from the internet on these disks.

I guess my point is: The RIAA should learn to adapt in this ever changing world or the world is going to pass it by.
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edit: And look at what has happened here. Not only is the community not resting, it seems to be growing stronger. There is no fear of anything it looks like. Braisin new site owners are trying to reel in all the old oink users. Some of the older sites that couldn't compete are welcoming the community with open arms.

with all do respect, i think that you are wayyyyyyyyy to wrong..
the artist dont work free, they dont made songs free, you must paid for songs, new songs or all songs, never are free songs..
dont be wrong, the old music isnt free at all..
i was a user of oink, but i think that is fine that the RIAA close the tracker, because is ilegal download music, is like stealing, dont get me wrong, i do that, but im aware that is ilegal and its bad
so, dont said that the RIAA did bad, or they must to adapt to the pirates, because is just nosense

It was the IFPI, not RIAA. Carino Your argument is...at least questionable. OiNK had NOTHING on the servers, but torrent - files. I know it's hard to grasp, but do not make judgements on false or made up facts. The Users had the files, OiNk basically worked as clearinghouse (kind of). So they cannot make a case of it I guess.

I read some blog that somewhat, if not completely or specifically, explained the same thing. On the one hand it is an understandable desire for copyright owners to close down private communities this large because they cost loads of money - in theory and with a lot of wishful thinking anyway ;)

This thing with the oink closedown at least is about more than just copyright infringements and piracy, I see a good deal of reasons and consequences the music industry has been in denial about for a good couple of years and with grand news and a good deal of false hope like this, they'll stay on the same track for another few.

It's a sad thing when a private torrent community can satisfy a music-lover more than any music store or online shop for that matter (and no, I'm not talking about the whole thing being free) - oink isn't the only community this applie(s/d) to.

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Originally Posted by Sylar666

It was the IFPI, not RIAA. Carino Your argument is...at least questionable. OiNK had NOTHING on the servers, but torrent - files. I know it's hard to grasp, but do not make judgements on false or made up facts. The Users had the files, OiNk basically worked as clearinghouse (kind of). So they cannot make a case of it I guess.

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i see your point, but oink give torrents to download ilegal stuff, for what they are responsible

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Originally Posted by Sylar666

It was the IFPI, not RIAA. Carino Your argument is...at least questionable. OiNK had NOTHING on the servers, but torrent - files. I know it's hard to grasp, but do not make judgements on false or made up facts. The Users had the files, OiNk basically worked as clearinghouse (kind of). So they cannot make a case of it I guess.

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i see your point, but oink give torrents to download ilegal stuff, for what they are responsible

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No, users are responsible for the torrents they upload. Oink had no control over this. Go over some basic torrent site rules and faq again.

if oink give the chance to the users to download this torrents, that give access to ilegal stuff (like download any song without paying the copyrights) is the responsible

It is like an old proverb that says, "is not the fault of the pork, it is the one who gives to eat "

Okay,so Oink give user access to ilegal stuff,then I guess Google is next,after that they shoud arrest owners of Youtube,and finally go after ISP companies,they also give us access to illegal stuff.

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Okay,so Oink give user access to ilegal stuff,then I guess Google is next,after that they shoud arrest owners of Youtube,and finally go after ISP companies,they also give us access to illegal stuff.

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Your logic is so flawed. OiNK knowingly hosted torrent files where they knew had illegal music in there. The sole purpose of OiNK was to be a place where users can get music and programs for free. The admins and such knew what material was on there because they had to delete many torrent files.

So saying they didn't actually host the files on their servers isn't really an excuse. Again I'm all for OiNK i was a PU on there and I loved it but it's the risk you take.

It's funny if they think they helped their sales by bringing down Oink. The only thing they accomplished by this is pissing off 180.000 potential consumers.

I first stopped buying anything released by Sony/BGM because one of the CD's I bought from that label caused major problems for me when trying to get a copy of it on my computer, as I like better to have my entire collection in one place rather than 250+ CD's/Albums.

Then they started sueing 13 year olds etc. which made me support major labels less and less. I still bought stuff from time to time though.

IMO they just shot themselves in the foot, if they hadn't managed that already.

What they failed to notice was that Oink wasn't some filesharing site, but the biggest music community on the web, and while people were downloading their precious copies of songs, they were also discussing the artists not only on the site but also between friends. People don't listen to the radio anymore to find new music, they go on Oink to see what's hot or not. New artists get discovered, old artist stay alive so they might even make a comeback.

Several of those 180.000 members actually had a say in what gets played or not. Several of those members were also artists themselves. People involved in the music industry could use the site to evolve from some band playing in their garage into something that would get noticed. DJ's took songs fom there and included them in their mixes, making it heard at clubs.

They have no idea what a stupid thing they did.

I think the music industry placing blame on piracy as being the reason record sales have gone down is ridiculous. Maybe it moreso has to do with the fact that the quality of music has declined, or maybe the fact artists don't care about working hard on albums anymore, how many perfect cds can you think of that are modern and mainstream.
Artists sometimes release albums more than once per year. Sometimes a few times per year.. why? So they can make more money by only only putting one or two singles on 15 track albums, thus causing people to want all the albums....
No typical person could afford to buy every cd they want, nor the merchandise and concert tickets they'd like... that's ridiculous.
There are OTHER things the music industry should be worried about other than piracy.
Piracy or not, money will come to good artists because a lot of people will still buy the album if they really like it, people buy other merchandise, people will buy concert tickets. People will always spend their money to support musicians.
Piracy has definitely been an aid to musicians, making these albums available to that number of people, creating a HUGE domino effect, especially because these "pirates" will spread it to more friends and etc... the radio, MTV, and music stores cannot say they've affected anywhere near as many people as file sharing sites/programs...
Besides OiNK closes, and people are either looking for a new site or a new method to do the same... and it will never be stopped. There will always be another method to do this.

Will closing OiNK cause record sales to go up?
Probably not.

Will closing OiNK cause concert sales and merchandise sales and records sales fan-bases to go down?
It's definitely more accurate.

Old media needs to learn how to use new media to it's advantage. It's gotten better at it but still has alot to learn. Closing BT sites are nice and dandy but the more they close the more people learn that there are places out there that will tell the RIAA and the MPAA and other agencies to go F themselves cause it's not their problem.

I only started on BT cause the quality of music and movies were crap and the studios were allowed to get away with it. In addition to that you had TV shows from 10 years ago that you couldn't get access to because it hasn't been put out on dvd yet. I'm sorry but paying $20 for 1 good song is ridiculous along with paying $10 to see some crap film. How about a money back guarentee on those films. They brought it on themselves.