A Sad Day (turned Into A Leech)

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07-22-2003, 01:06 PM
nyer82

Today I turned into a leech. I used to be sharing about 1500 files, almost all copyrighted music etc. I never shared movies, because I always hated the quality and I thought you get a good deal when you buy a DVD (at least in the US where some are 10-15 dollars) I had peerguardian, kazaa lite new version, all the precautions. But it wasn't enough.

First off I live in the USA.

Second, Verizon DSL is my ISP.

Because Verizon is my ISP and I think almost all the subpoenas are going to them, I rather not take my risks. I don't want to change ISP's because Verizon is the cheapest broadband in my area. Only $34.00 a month compared to over $40 for most, or even $50. I know its slower than cable, but because I live in a metropolitan area, ahem NYC, and because my shitty building does support it, I cannot get a cable connection. But then again its $34.00

Yeah, I am chicken. I am sorry to say. I am gonna wait until they stop serving up lawsuits, and the shit hits the fan in the media, that they are ruining the people's lives whom they sue. When little 11 year old Cindy-Loo gets sued for thousands of dollars, and her parents aren't able to pay, then we'll see something happen. I am also waiting for more secure sharing programs, because this one basically throws my IP address all over town. I mean I even went into the chat room, and it was saying next to my name exactly what ISP I was using, etc, where I was from, what state.

I noticed most of the people saying "We are Chicken" and yelling at people like me spell things a little differently. They will say "honour" or "theatre" and then they will use decimal points in place of commas as in "They can't sue 10.000.000 people!!!!". Hmmmm...Interesting....Not the American spelling. Could it be that these people HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE OF BEING SUED [yet] SINCE THEY LIVE OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES, PERHAPS IN ENGLAND, OR CANADA?

I really hate what I am doing but I feel like I must to protect my sensitive ass from being raped. :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:
07-22-2003, 01:22 PM
Will_518

Do you really think RIAA is gonna sue everyone on the net sharing their files???
If they tries that they'll probably go bankrupt, not to mention the damage from the media. 20% of US households have ADSL of some sort, how many people do you think are sharing illegal files? take a guess.
How many mp3 sites are on the net?

How many of them have been sued by RIAA? 100? 1000?

So, what's your chance of been sued? 1 in a million? take a guess.

Chances are sharing will be made legal before you get sued.
07-22-2003, 01:32 PM
loz

Who uses decimal points instead of commas, I don't think anyone does, it'd just confuse! :blink:
07-22-2003, 02:10 PM
Adster

Jeez there are some paranoid people out there I don't understand it?? what were you doing before that you arn't now??? nothing no difference. your jsut letting those RIAA bastards with their scare tactics win
07-22-2003, 03:12 PM
namzuf9

So you only think you will get into trouble for sharing copywritten material but not downloading it?
The RIAA is no excuse for leeching, if the fear of legal action upsets you that much-dont use P2P.
As with all things illegal there is a chance you will get caught. In this case the probablity of that happening is in the millions.
And before you ask, yes I am from the UK and the RIAA are not that much of a threat at the moment. But if I am caught I fully understand the consquences of my actions. But till then........
:devil: :devil: :devil:
07-22-2003, 04:21 PM
abigspidermonkey

Get off kazaa lite then,downloading is illegeal too and we dont need leeching assholes.
07-23-2003, 01:33 AM
bigdaddy2

I am sure the RIAA will sue some people. I personally think mostly as a scare tactic. I am sure they know they can't stop filesharing. But they know they have to do something. So they will flash some big numbers in the papers in attempts to get people to stop.

What they should be doing is figuring out a way to win back consumers. For me that means stop with the prices already. I have found CD's that cost $21.00. That is just absurd. They like to claim the average price is $12.75 I think they are a little skewed. It should be closer to $14 or $15.

But hey do what you want.. Just remember.. If no one shares.. no one downloads.
07-23-2003, 01:47 AM
Adster

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It should be closer to $14 or $15.

lol god what country are you refering to its $30 here :( and $10 jsut for a single
07-23-2003, 02:17 AM
Jibbler

Listen, this will all be solved soon enough. There is a possibility that action could be taken against you if you share files. However, most likely, the issue of filesharing will not be resolved by either side. In the end, the government will create legislation to tax the ISP's for lost revenue in the industry, because a majority of their profit comes from people whom share files. Those taxes will not be absorbed by the ISP, but instead will come from you, the subscriber. Personally, I think they are on a witchhunt, and Kazaa/fasttrack is dangerous territory right now. None the less, if you fear getting caught sharing then don't use the network. Becoming a leecher doesn't help us or them. :huh:
07-23-2003, 02:20 AM
Mr. Blunt

Quote:

Originally posted by abigspidermonkey@22 July 2003 - 16:21
downloading is illegeal too

No it's not. Sharing copyrighted material is.
07-23-2003, 02:21 AM
Jibbler

Quote:

Originally posted by Hogster@22 July 2003 - 21:47

Quote:

It should be closer to $14 or $15.

lol god what country are you refering to its $30 here :( and $10 jsut for a single

What fucking country are you in? Here in the US, new disks are $11.99 plus tax, and most of them come with a DVD bonus disk. Stop bitching about the prices. The prices aren't the problem, the quality of music has dropped considerably over the years. :o
07-23-2003, 02:30 AM
Switeck

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Originally posted by nyer82@22 July 2003 - 08:06
Today I turned into a leech.  I used to be sharing about 1500 files, almost all copyrighted music etc.  I never shared movies, because I always hated the quality and I thought you get a good deal when you buy a DVD (at least in the US where some are 10-15 dollars)  I had peerguardian, kazaa lite new version, all the precautions.  But it wasn't enough. 

I really hate what I am doing but I feel like I must to protect my sensitive ass from being

There is a reasonable alternative with as many security measures as KL++ v2.4.1 has:

1.Turn off the ability for others to list your shared files (you're still sharing, they just can't easily gather LISTS of what you're sharing)
2.DISABLE ip port 1214 in KL++ and use a random port from 2000-65000.
3.Turn on the BLOCK RIAA ip addresses

Then you become VERY hard to find for RIAA. IF they DO find you, they've probably done something illegal themselves. :D
07-23-2003, 03:01 AM
Schmiggy_JK23

switeck, those measures you just mentioned are a joke when it comes to "security"...

1. Listing your files or not, all they have to do is find one file you share, start downloading, and get your ip...
2. The ports mean nothing... using the above tatic.
3. Blocking lists only block known addresses, thats not going to work forever.

Mr.Blunt... downloading is just as illegal as sharing... i dunno where you picked up your knowledge of the law. The main reason they go after sharing folks, is because its pretty damn hard to get the ones who only download/leech. I.E. they would have to set up bait files, and hope that you download from them... where its much easier just to get people who share.

And most cd prices arent that bad, at least when they are first released. Most cds go from 9.99-12.99 as new releases, which managable, if the music werent shit... which most of it is. Ill pay that $$ for a cd with 4-5 good tunes on it... not for one cd with one good track.
07-23-2003, 04:22 AM
Adster

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What fucking country are you in? Here in the US, new disks are $11.99 plus tax, and most of them come with a DVD bonus disk. Stop bitching about the prices. The prices aren't the problem, the quality of music has dropped considerably over the years. 

well I'm from Australia there you go you yanks are lucky bastards $50 for a game to I bet <_< $100 here for a PS2 new realese its ridiculous
07-23-2003, 05:01 AM
physc0

$100 for a new PS2 game? Damn that must suck ass. :lol: :-"
07-23-2003, 06:29 AM
Switeck

Quote:

Originally posted by Schmiggy_JK23@22 July 2003 - 22:01
switeck, those measures you just mentioned are a joke when it comes to "security"... 

1.  Listing your files or not, all they have to do is find one file you share, start downloading, and get your ip...
2.  The ports mean nothing... using the above tatic.
3.  Blocking lists only block known addresses, thats not going to work forever.

1. It will however prevent them from listing ALL your files. But if their search was broad enough might turn up more than 1 of your files...

2. and 3. True, if they're going for specific files you could still be found IF they're working from a non-blocked ip range. Actually, if their searches are from a blocked ip range but they themselves aren't the supernode that is directly connected to your computer then there may never BE an ip-to-ip link to the 'hostile' ip range.
07-23-2003, 07:39 AM
Schmiggy_JK23

Quote:

Originally posted by Hogster@22 July 2003 - 23:22

Quote:

What fucking country are you in? Here in the US, new disks are $11.99 plus tax, and most of them come with a DVD bonus disk. Stop bitching about the prices. The prices aren't the problem, the quality of music has dropped considerably over the years.

well I'm from Australia there you go you yanks are lucky bastards $50 for a game to I bet <_< $100 here for a PS2 new realese its ridiculous

considering the exchange rate...

50.00 USD United States Dollars = 76.6006 AUD Australia Dollars

its not all that bad...
07-25-2003, 09:21 PM
PsMaster

My God why are you all so afraid of that riaa ;) Right now i am sharing 10931 files and many of them is like Terminator 3,2fast and 2 furious,the hulk and many more files that are ilegal B)
07-25-2003, 11:29 PM
Schmiggy_JK23

too bad the RIAA has nothing to do with movies... :rolleyes: