Why is everyone against traders?

(Note this started out as a rant in one of the invite threads but I really have to know)

I'm confused. Here's what I have so far:

Apparently, trading disqualifies you from a lot of giveaways automatically, lowers your chances of getting a good tracker invite, and AUTOMATICALLY MAKES YOU A HOMOSEXUAL DOUCHE BAG WHO DESERVES TO DIE. That's the message I'm receiving here. "Trading" invites is looked down on, and those who do can usually count on not being chosen for a lot of giveaways.

But why?

A lot of traders make as good as (sometimes even better) contributions / giveaways to this forum as nontraders. It's not as if all traders do is trade. I've seen traders with much higher giveaway points than a lot of nontraders, and I'm hoping to make good giveaways in the future myself (despite the fact that I'm a trader.)

Most of the people who bitch and moan about trading invites in threads are people with many posts, but little or no giveaway points. So they have many posts because: They just like to talk, they have something to say, OR they are posting because they want to participate in a giveaway. But they have few/no rep points.. so they haven't given anything away themselves. How is being someone who takes and never gives better than someone who takes, gives, and trades? And most of the time when their posts are "You should give this away for free!", meaning that they want the invite but just don't have what the trader wants in return, hence the freeness.

A lot (not all) of the "give-awayers" here give only low level invites. They never give anything higher than a 3 (sometimes 4) but they still get the rep point. I really doubt they care about the community, only building up their rep and getting good invites in return.

I've had some people flame me, refuse to consider me for giveaways, change their minds about giving me something because I'm a trader. But to other people who aren't traders but haven't done anything besides beg for invites, give them the same invites that were refused to me.

So if I'm going to become a "second class citizen" just because I traded and I'm never going to be respected / participate in really good giveaways, I'm not even going to try and bother to do anything good here. I'm just going to trade, get what I need, and log out.

Yes, sure I exaggerated some details, I know the majority of the nontraders are great contributors and traders still quality for most of the giveaways, and that only a few people here are leechers, and that a lot of people don't even want BT rep. But every time I see a post complaining about trading it makes me wonder.

Long post. Thanks for reading.

People with nothing to trade are anti-traders.

People with something to trade are traders.

Then there are the generous who dont give a shit.

ufff its to long to read that:( :P, i dont have any problem if someone is trader and im not against them,but most trader will if they recive invite trader that acc for some better,and that is the reasone why people hate trader i think,and if they do that 70% are chance that inviter and invited be banned from site

I can get what i want, i am a trader and I make a lot of giveaways as well.

Not everything is just black or white, there is a lot in between so being a trader doesnt mean nothing and ive noticed anti-trader attitude comes from noobs that always struggled to get an invite form fair, equivalent trade. They rather want to get it for free, and hmm, I act here exactly as I do it in my real life. Im a stock broker, i know how to trade, deal with people and i never expect that something will be given to me. If you think differently than good luck.

Trading invites isn't as bad as trading accounts cuz if you trade accounts, chances are more that the account will be disabled in the future and also, most of the ppl who complain that their acc's got disabled for no reason actually get caught trading their accounts ;)

We are here to share files, ideas and basically give freely of ourselves. Trading is not giving something free BUT asking for something in return. From a old school member of the warez community, this is frowned upon.

Share - don't sell or trade or expect anything in return. If everyone lived their lives in such a way, the world would be a better place. Hell, we wouldn't have ratios on sites if it not for the few individuals who take advantage of other's kindness.

In addition, sites frown on trading or even giving invites to strangers. How do you think so many invites end up for sale on Ebay? It's not from you giving your buddy from college an invite to BMTV. It's from a trade you made with a stranger so you could get what YOU wanted. With no concern for the security of the site.

psxcite-

It's great you feel that way.

But, most everyone here follows something like "Don't be a trader, make some giveaways, get GET GOOD INVITES IN RETURN"

Sounds a lot like trading to me. People are still giving, but they expect something in return. If this "unwritten law" wasn't here, then most everyone here would be trading and would post a few giveaways every now and then.

I think I'll "give away" my hdbits invite to a user, and he might "give away" his revtt invite, and I'll just happen to get it.

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Originally Posted by virtus134

(Note this started out as a rant in one of the invite threads but I really have to know)

I'm confused. Here's what I have so far:

Apparently, trading disqualifies you from a lot of giveaways automatically, lowers your chances of getting a good tracker invite, and AUTOMATICALLY MAKES YOU A HOMOSEXUAL DOUCHE BAG WHO DESERVES TO DIE. That's the message I'm receiving here. "Trading" invites is looked down on, and those who do can usually count on not being chosen for a lot of giveaways.

But why?

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You're giving homosexual douche bags a bad name here mate :tease:...seriously though it's looked down upon because it's a disrespectful thing to do if a tracker doesn't want you in then just deal with it people put in a lot of hard work to make trackers run smoothly and they don't like it when people piss all over that.

Also it increases the chance that a cheater or general dickwad invite seller is going to be invited to a site because lets face it if you have no respect for the no trading rule who's to say you'll respect other rules? I'm not saying all traders are cheaters far from it but when you do something out of greed (ie: trade) you're much less likely to vet the person who is taking your place.

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A lot of traders make as good as (sometimes even better) contributions / giveaways to this forum as nontraders. It's not as if all traders do is trade. I've seen traders with much higher giveaway points than a lot of nontraders, and I'm hoping to make good giveaways in the future myself (despite the fact that I'm a trader.)

Most of the people who bitch and moan about trading invites in threads are people with many posts, but little or no giveaway points. So they have many posts because: They just like to talk, they have something to say, OR they are posting because they want to participate in a giveaway. But they have few/no rep points.. so they haven't given anything away themselves. How is being someone who takes and never gives better than someone who takes, gives, and trades? And most of the time when their posts are "You should give this away for free!", meaning that they want the invite but just don't have what the trader wants in return, hence the freeness.

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Bullshit...first off they're not giveaway points they are rep points. which means they in practice have little to do with giveaways and much more to do with whether you're a "trusted trader" or not. Many people who are against trading turn off their rep points because they don't want to be associated with that kind of shit.

Also wtf do you know about what people do for this forum?

What have you done for this community?

I know that many invites are given out here in private to friends or people you think will make a good member by both traders and anti-traders I personally have given away and received invites to many sites from people I've met here so stop talking shit.

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A lot (not all) of the "give-awayers" here give only low level invites. They never give anything higher than a 3 (sometimes 4) but they still get the rep point. I really doubt they care about the community, only building up their rep and getting good invites in return.

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what can I say except fuck levels and who cares...if the site is helping someone because they want to use it and not just think of it as a stepping stone then that's what counts.

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I've had some people flame me, refuse to consider me for giveaways, change their minds about giving me something because I'm a trader. But to other people who aren't traders but haven't done anything besides beg for invites, give them the same invites that were refused to me.

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because you can't be trusted not to trade the invite or account :whistling

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So if I'm going to become a "second class citizen" just because I traded and I'm never going to be respected / participate in really good giveaways, I'm not even going to try and bother to do anything good here. I'm just going to trade, get what I need, and log out.

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you're attitude betrays your true intentions m8...

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Yes, sure I exaggerated some details, I know the majority of the nontraders are great contributors and traders still quality for most of the giveaways, and that only a few people here are leechers, and that a lot of people don't even want BT rep. But every time I see a post complaining about trading it makes me wonder.

Long post. Thanks for reading.

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you got that right at least :yup:

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Originally Posted by virtus134

MAKES YOU A HOMOSEXUAL DOUCHE BAG WHO DESERVES TO DIE.

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Traders are more than likely responsible for the take down of OiNK. Some trader probably traded with an agent giving them access to the site to gather information.

It's fairly obvious why even non staff have problems. Traders don't just risk their own accounts but their inviter's too and on some sites whole invite tree's. Also they hoard trackers they don't actually want just for trading purposes and cause sites to be even stricter with invites. If you want to honestly get into that tracker without breaking there rules upon entry you guys make it that much tougher.

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Originally Posted by psxcite

We are here to share files, ideas and basically give freely of ourselves. Trading is not giving something free BUT asking for something in return. From a old school member of the warez community, this is frowned upon.

Share - don't sell or trade or expect anything in return. If everyone lived their lives in such a way, the world would be a better place. Hell, we wouldn't have ratios on sites if it not for the few individuals who take advantage of other's kindness.

In addition, sites frown on trading or even giving invites to strangers. How do you think so many invites end up for sale on Ebay? It's not from you giving your buddy from college an invite to BMTV. It's from a trade you made with a stranger so you could get what YOU wanted. With no concern for the security of the site.

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It doesnt make sense what you are saying. Dont sell or trade, world would be a better world? Do you know something about economics ? If there was no monetary system, no currency, no money, no voluntary exchange, you would still be living in a stone age.

Trading doesnt mean not giving away. There are just some things you cannot request. Like you cannot go to the car dealer and ask him to give you away one of his car ? World better ? Depends for who...

This is good thing that people want something in return there is nothing wrong with that. It's even better when someone decides to give something for free but to be honest, you can not live your life in a great world, constantly requesting something.

And as you may know or now, depends if you studied some economics before you will know that human being can never satisfy his needs. This is the reason why we have money and exchange system. To limit this infinite demand that we create - human greed.

i will try to make it short as possible ppl acting like anti traders coz thay think thay will get free invites from tracker mods and this happen and tracker mods just think thay are honest and thay have been into trade before and almost of anti traders had onther accounts in fst before and its just new start for them and to ears all the tradeing and rep points about trades thay did here before all i just need to say its all bull**** and if u guys relly thank all traders is bad then u are wrong thay are good users more then anti traders and more usefull to the other members

and i wont bother fst members every day by posting reqs (i need this i need that)

and no body trying to help any traders here mods or the members thay call them selfs anti traders

i dont say all mods here are bad but some of them relly got the whole story in wrong way


trade is bad ok i am with u but what the trade will do if every body dont care about him in give aways traders not allowed by mods u was a trader so what thay can do (nothing) just one thing and it will be the last thing thay will make new accounts and typ in them sign trades is bad and this shi* and jump in every singel trade thred and swear at the trader its relly joke and its turn to become a silly one to be honest

Man, ever heard of a full stop? That is mission to read.

Okay. Nice points some of you make. Especially the economics one. But I just want to make sure I get one point across.

MOST everyone on here would be traders and there would be a lot fewer giveaways if rep and nontrading weren't so important here.

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Originally Posted by virtus134

But, most everyone here follows something like "Don't be a trader, make some giveaways, get GET GOOD INVITES IN RETURN"

Sounds a lot like trading to me. People are still giving, but they expect something in return. If this "unwritten law" wasn't here, then most everyone here would be trading and would post a few giveaways every now and then.

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The rule is you're supposed to give to people who you trust. People who you befriend are easier for you to trust, therefor some people have been giving advice to others to stay around, get to know people and let others get to know you. It is possible that at some stage people who get to know you will help you out if they can, but that is just a side effect and not the main goal, or at least shouldn't be. I, personally, have a lot more respect for people who'll see some random noob looking for help and just help him out, instead of those doing fancy giveaways where everyone can see how "generous" they are, only to later return and say "u dezervs it!!1" when he finally begs for his level 12 invite.

Back on topic: somehow, over time, some people did get it wrong, and it turned out to be "help others and they will help you back in return". This contains the expectation factor, which I agree can be seen as some sort of trading, after a fashion. Now we're at the next stage where people go around with a "first make friends then ask for level X" sort of thing, which is basically prostituting friendship for invites and something that I have to admit really pisses me off personally.

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Originally Posted by supper

i will try to make it short as possible ppl acting like anti traders coz thay think thay will get free invites from tracker mods and this happen and tracker mods just think thay are honest and thay have been into trade before and almost of anti traders had onther accounts in fst before and its just new start for them and to ears all the tradeing and rep points about trades thay did here before all i just need to say its all bull**** and if u guys relly thank all traders is bad then u are wrong thay are good users more then anti traders and more usefull to the other members

and i wont bother fst members every day by posting reqs (i need this i need that)

and no body trying to help any traders here mods or the members thay call them selfs anti traders

i dont say all mods here are bad but some of them relly got the whole story in wrong way

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:wacko:...I think you're the one who's got the story the wrong way, and people that just pretend not to like trading are the same as traders. They're opportunists. Also I've seen at least two people I know for sure are on second accounts recently and guess what they're traders.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Green_Thumb

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Originally Posted by virtus134

MAKES YOU A HOMOSEXUAL DOUCHE BAG WHO DESERVES TO DIE.

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^ This and

Traders are more than likely responsible for the take down of OiNK. Some trader probably traded with an agent giving them access to the site to gather information.

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please don't tell me u actually believe that. If they (authorities) NEED to access a site...they got money n they will buy in the access.

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Originally Posted by supper

and no body trying to help any traders here mods or the members thay call them selfs anti traders

i dont say all mods here are bad but some of them relly got the whole story in wrong way

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:yup:

Now, going to your question. Most anti-trader are against trader because...

1. Trading is NOT allowed by many bittorrent sites

2. Invites are meant to be free!

3. It's not about who has what, it's about who is what.

However, i do believe none of the factors above should encourage users at FST to thrash traders because...

1. Traders are basis of FST. As pointed out, most of the giveaway in bittorrent section [is probably] made by traders

2. FST itself has hidden group for hardcore traders. Meanwhile they do also have hidden group for extreme anti-trader.

But then i suppose everyone has FREE WILL and right to SPEAK WHATEVER THEY WANT...so thrash, break, scratch, beat, kill, shoot, punch, curse each out out...but i don't care because...

I am NOT a trader but NOT an anti-trader either :D

It bothers only loosers how other people get invites. Don't worry about that, make your 5 requests a day and be happy but don't judge other people like they are criminals.

I have my way to get invites and I should be none of your problems, I make giveaways and help sometime so this is they only thing you should care about.

I don't care about rep points as someone mentioned this as the only factor forcing traders to giveaway. To be honest I have about 120 successful trades in here and I never actually cared about those points. Just waste of time in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

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Originally Posted by Dr_Green_Thumb

^ This and

Traders are more than likely responsible for the take down of OiNK. Some trader probably traded with an agent giving them access to the site to gather information.

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please don't tell me u actually believe that. if they (authorities) NEED to access a site...they got money n they will buy in the access.

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That's true they will buy the invite no need to trade at all...but what I'm wondering is where does the invite seller get the invite? ;)

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Originally Posted by sear

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Originally Posted by supper

i will try to make it short as possible ppl acting like anti traders coz thay think thay will get free invites from tracker mods and this happen and tracker mods just think thay are honest and thay have been into trade before and almost of anti traders had onther accounts in fst before and its just new start for them and to ears all the tradeing and rep points about trades thay did here before all i just need to say its all bull**** and if u guys relly thank all traders is bad then u are wrong thay are good users more then anti traders and more usefull to the other members

and i wont bother fst members every day by posting reqs (i need this i need that)

and no body trying to help any traders here mods or the members thay call them selfs anti traders

i dont say all mods here are bad but some of them relly got the whole story in wrong way

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:wacko:...I think you're the one who's got the story the wrong way, and people that just pretend not to like trading are the same as traders. They're opportunists. Also I've seen at least two people I know for sure are on second accounts recently and guess what they're traders.

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iam not sure if i got the story in the wrong way if u say the same thing u are agree with me sear u just said the same thing:blink:

If your a member of a private organization, you don't ever want people buying/trading there way in. They should be chosen because there liked, trusted and they will contribute to your organization. That is how private torrent sites should be considered, especially when the activities on there are potentially illegal.

People are against traders because its a status symbol to be an anti-trader.

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Originally Posted by supper

iam not sure if i got the story in the wrong way if u say the same thing u are agree with me sear u just said the same thing:blink:

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not quite m8 :noes: I agree that there are fake anti-traders here but my point is that not all are full of shit and in my opinion and experience traders are more likely to be the one trying to pull the wool over someones eyes.

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

I have my way to get invites and I should be none of your problems

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Dude, this guy just made it our business by starting this thread, so if you don't like the answers he's getting here then fuck off.

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Originally Posted by pro267

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

I have my way to get invites and I should be none of your problems

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Dude, this guy just made it our business by starting this thread, so if you don't like the answers he's getting here then fuck off.

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You are struggling with comprehension and getting the main idea from even a short paragraph. I will suggest to go back to school instead of telling me what to do.

And I will be so kind to rephrase my point again. People should not worry about things like trading or getting it for free. We are all here to get invites so let's get them and stop accusing each other with some bullshit like little kids.

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Originally Posted by Nietzsche

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Originally Posted by psxcite

We are here to share files, ideas and basically give freely of ourselves. Trading is not giving something free BUT asking for something in return. From a old school member of the warez community, this is frowned upon.

Share - don't sell or trade or expect anything in return. If everyone lived their lives in such a way, the world would be a better place. Hell, we wouldn't have ratios on sites if it not for the few individuals who take advantage of other's kindness.

In addition, sites frown on trading or even giving invites to strangers. How do you think so many invites end up for sale on Ebay? It's not from you giving your buddy from college an invite to BMTV. It's from a trade you made with a stranger so you could get what YOU wanted. With no concern for the security of the site.

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It doesnt make sense what you are saying. Dont sell or trade, world would be a better world? Do you know something about economics ? If there was no monetary system, no currency, no money, no voluntary exchange, you would still be living in a stone age.

Trading doesnt mean not giving away. There are just some things you cannot request. Like you cannot go to the car dealer and ask him to give you away one of his car ? World better ? Depends for who...

This is good thing that people want something in return there is nothing wrong with that. It's even better when someone decides to give something for free but to be honest, you can not live your life in a great world, constantly requesting something.

And as you may know or now, depends if you studied some economics before you will know that human being can never satisfy his needs. This is the reason why we have money and exchange system. To limit this infinite demand that we create - human greed.

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Yes, I know economics. And not just the micro and macro they teach in college. Ideally, we as a race will evolve beyond a need for monetary exchange. That would not have us in the "stone age" as you put it, but propel us towards a Utopian community.

And yes, human beings can satisfy their needs. Maybe you should study some sociology and maybe a bit more philosophy.

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Originally Posted by sear

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Originally Posted by supper

iam not sure if i got the story in the wrong way if u say the same thing u are agree with me sear u just said the same thing:blink:

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not quite m8 :noes: I agree that there are fake anti-traders here but my point is that not all are full of shit and in my opinion and experience traders are more likely to be the one trying to pull the wool over someones eyes.

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yes i agree with that not all the anti traders and not all the traders too when trader just trade only for trader and have high levels this is full of **** and when the anti trader just acting he dont like trade only coz he wanna get some trackers not coz he relly belive in anti trade thing then its full of **** too

any way i hope this thread will getting closed soon coz many fights will begin:cry:

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Originally Posted by supper

yes i agree with that not all the anti traders and not all the traders too when trader just trade only for trader and have high levels this is full of **** and when the anti trader just acting he dont like trade only coz he wanna get some trackers not coz he relly belive in anti trade thing then its full of **** too

any way i hope this thread will getting closed soon coz many fights will begin:cry:

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well you're right we agree there :) how about we agree to disagree on whether trading is ok :happy:

p.s. nah they shouldn't close it...best thread of the day.

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Originally Posted by sear

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Originally Posted by supper

yes i agree with that not all the anti traders and not all the traders too when trader just trade only for trader and have high levels this is full of **** and when the anti trader just acting he dont like trade only coz he wanna get some trackers not coz he relly belive in anti trade thing then its full of **** too

any way i hope this thread will getting closed soon coz many fights will begin:cry:

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well you're right we agree there :) how about we agree to disagree on whether trading is ok :happy:

p.s. nah they shouldn't close it...best thread of the day.

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np santa:D

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Originally Posted by Nietzsche

It doesnt make sense what you are saying. Dont sell or trade, world would be a better world? Do you know something about economics ? If there was no monetary system, no currency, no money, no voluntary exchange, you would still be living in a stone age.

Trading doesnt mean not giving away. There are just some things you cannot request. Like you cannot go to the car dealer and ask him to give you away one of his car ? World better ? Depends for who...

This is good thing that people want something in return there is nothing wrong with that. It's even better when someone decides to give something for free but to be honest, you can not live your life in a great world, constantly requesting something.

And as you may know or now, depends if you studied some economics before you will know that human being can never satisfy his needs. This is the reason why we have money and exchange system. To limit this infinite demand that we create - human greed.

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Yes, I know economics. And not just the micro and macro they teach in college. Ideally, we as a race will evolve beyond a need for monetary exchange. That would not have us in the "stone age" as you put it, but propel us towards a Utopian community.

And yes, human beings can satisfy their needs. Maybe you should study some sociology and maybe a bit more philosophy.

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Utopian community can only exist among wealthy society that already satisfied their needs at certain level. And it this specific case this wealthy society is called traders in here my friend.

Where you have poor society living in socialism like it was in USSR than it leads to hunger, death and suffering. People need to evolve drastically in order to become part of true Utopian community and so far there are only few nasty rich nations that can practice such system.

To get into more exmaples I will say this: if you have person for whom throwing out FTN invite is just nothing since he has a lot of good invites than he can be a good member of utopia community. But when the rest is desperately begging for the invites and competing against each other than we have difference in the wealth that each member represents, and this leads to final failure so being a next Karl Max on this forum definitely is not a good idea.

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

please don't tell me u actually believe that. if they (authorities) NEED to access a site...they got money n they will buy in the access.

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That's true they will buy the invite no need to trade at all...but what I'm wondering is where does the invite seller get the invite? ;)

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a ebay seller said....*cough* V*G :lol:

@ Nietzsche, comparing economics and torrenting does not seem meaningful to me at all coz economics is about making money but bittorrent is about saving money. Beside, things called “rules” come before economics. When you sign up for a tracker, you tick the checkbox saying “I agree with rules and agreement” and one of the rule is not to trade invite/account (for most of the tracker).... And if you are to pull that out into “real” world it’s like trading cocaine and guns illegally. Okay, i hyped it a bit :D

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

It bothers only loosers how other people get invites. Don't worry about that, make your 5 requests a day and be happy but don't judge other people like they are criminals.

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So your calling the people who would rather make friends than sell their soul to trading "loosers"? Am I not getting something? Trading is not only a threat to the site's security, but it's a slap in the face to the community as well.

If you think about it, the concept of invitations has been perverted beyond what it started out as. It is meant to be a means of inviting friends, people you know and trust, not somebody who's bribing you with his own invites. For all you know, that person could be a cheater, scammer, or MPAA agent. You never know. And if you decided to trade your own accounts or invites, your putting your good name on the line in the process. If somebody you traded with, under your usual account name cheats, it'll be your head on the chopping-block. Same thing goes for invites. Call me what you will, but if you respect the nature of P2P communities in general, then you should be against trading.

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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu

It bothers only loosers how other people get invites. Don't worry about that, make your 5 requests a day and be happy but don't judge other people like they are criminals.

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So your calling the people who would rather make friends than sell their soul to trading "loosers"? Am I not getting something? Trading is not only a threat to the site's security, but it's a slap in the face to the community as well.

If you think about it, the concept of invitations has been perverted beyond what it started out as. It is meant to be a means of inviting friends, people you know and trust, not somebody who's bribing you with his own invites. For all you know, that person could be a cheater, scammer, or MPAA agent. You never know. And if you decided to trade your own accounts or invites, your putting your good name on the line in the process. If somebody you traded with, under your usual account name cheats, it'll be your head on the chopping-block. Same thing goes for invites. Call me what you will, but if you respect the nature of P2P communities in general, then you should be against trading.

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If there were no traders, MPAA would just come here, appear to be "good" and get your giveaways... If we come to the security matter than my friend the only safe way is inviting people that you know from real life... So dont blame traders, just don't..

For the record I am not one of those full of shit anti traders preaching in all the trading topics but this topic asked for opinions of non traders. Yes this is new account here, no I'm not starting over to try to make myself out to be some sort of goody two shoes so people will invite to sites, I come from another P2P forum and have all the invites I want.

Well im against trading since thats the rule on most sites. Im not willing to lose access to my sites because someone i invite starts trading. So i stay away from traders.

But i do agree, the antitrading have totally taken off here. People that i know have traded their way to almost every single site there is out there are all of a sudden "anti traders"

Recognizing trader as a threat to security is a JOKE! Do you actually thing every trader has programing knowledge? or will trade with MPAA? Again, if authorities HAVE TO get an account they don't need to get over at FST and trade or beg for an invite....i mean they got money, they will buy it off ebay, if not hire some hacker and hack off some accounts or even worst make some pointless statement (as they did for OiNK) and pull the site down.

The ONLY reason trading should be discouraged is because the site does not allow it. IF the site allows it (there are plenty who do) then go for it!

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So your calling the people who would rather make friends than sell their soul to trading "loosers"? Am I not getting something? Trading is not only a threat to the site's security, but it's a slap in the face to the community as well.

If you think about it, the concept of invitations has been perverted beyond what it started out as. It is meant to be a means of inviting friends, people you know and trust, not somebody who's bribing you with his own invites. For all you know, that person could be a cheater, scammer, or MPAA agent. You never know. And if you decided to trade your own accounts or invites, your putting your good name on the line in the process. If somebody you traded with, under your usual account name cheats, it'll be your head on the chopping-block. Same thing goes for invites. Call me what you will, but if you respect the nature of P2P communities in general, then you should be against trading.

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If there were no traders, MPAA would just come here, appear to be "good" and get your giveaways... If we come to the security matter than my friend the only safe way is inviting people that you know from real life... So dont blame traders, just don't..

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I never put giveaways on a pedestal. They are, in my opinion, double edged. Yes, you're are giving back to the community etc, but your also doing the same thing as a trader, except instead of invites, you get rep in return.

And yes, aside from one giveaway, I have given invites only to real life friends and a couple online friends (people that I've known for several months and who are good people). So your right, I can't just blame traders, but they are a large portion of the problem.

Im personally not against it, but i certainly do not like it .. since most trackers don't allow their invites/ accounts to be traded. I'm just respecting the tracker and their policies, thats all.

People allways talk about copyright agents entering a site gaining access to gather information on it's users then later mention they have been infiltrated by these people and later you know the site is gone.

I have asked the question before why is it that sites that are allways open for sign ups are still open for year's and still stand strong why are they still here and not closed down? i can't remember the response i received maybe because i did not agree.

Everybody knows that the site owners are not doing nothing wrong because none of the files are hosted on the sites server's bla bla what they do is provide community access and a place of knowledge to share with everybody and they tell you where to get the files from i know this could be rephrashed but testies to you understand.

Just because some article hits the net does not mean it's 100 percent accurate or true.

i have no problems with Traders exsept account trades and account giveaways. Reason most people who trade accounts really do not care for the indevidual who is seeking that account they know most of the time the account will be banned and they have received whatever it is they are seeking and the person who once had a slim chance to join a community has gone from 50% to 1% because both people are now banned maybe he knew maybe he did not in most cases i beleive person wanting the account never knew it would be banned remember the second you join a forum such as this and do a giveaway most sites frown upon this and if you are banned for that reason good they have rules and force you to read them you disrespected their rules they enforced them you have no right to complain for this reason.

Trade has been around a very long time people traded with copper bronze food anything that has value and demand it's not going away and never will unless everybody is equal what a boring world that would be.

I don't trade tried once it turned out lemons i quit. if i want something i ask i only invite those i feel i can trust by instinct and attitude that may be a valued member of that site if not they are taking a space for somebody who can be.

The selling of invites i frown upon.

Alright, were getting off topic. The MPAA example was just an example. The point is, anybody who wants an invite can get an invite through trading and giveaways.