For A L L That Use P2p Or Share Files

As many of us as there are it seems clear how much power we have if brought together, I have realized many of us think the folks next door don't file share, that we are the only one on the block. We keep quiet about our P2P use.

Although I am starting to see after openly talking about P2P that almost everyone suddenly says "oh yea, I use KaZaa too" (KMD version unfortunately), even the folks I talk to at my ISP. Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music. This is now officially out of hand, with lists of usernames to be sued http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0...3484600,00.html.

If YOU care about any of this, then READ the following 3 items

There ARE other ways for the artist to get PAID
http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php

There ARE simple legal solutions
http://www.eff.org/share/legal.php

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Take a Stand Against the Madness; Stop the RIAA!
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is on a rampage, launching legal attacks against average Americans from coast to coast. Rather than working to create a rational, legal means by which its customers can take advantage of file-sharing technology and pay a fair price for the music they love, it has chosen to sue people like Brianna LaHara, a 12 year-old girl living in New York City public housing.

Brianna, and hundreds of other music fans like her, are being forced to pay thousands of dollars they do not have to settle RIAA-member lawsuits -- supporting a business model that is anything but rational. This crusade is generating thousands of subpoenas and hundreds of lawsuits, but not a single penny for the artists that the RIAA claims to protect.

Copyright law shouldn't make criminals out of 60 million Americans, and it's time for a change. Congress is going to hold hearings; we need your help to make sure that the public's voice is heard. Tell Congress that it's time to stop the madness!

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FINALLY AND MOST OF ALL...
HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/
It doesn't get easier than this to take part and help put this to an end.

Over 75,000 Signatures So Far!!!!

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This is amazing! If we can get 100,000 signatures, we will deliver the petition to
the Senate and House Commerce and Judiciary Commitees.

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Special Thanks To All At EFF.
http://www.eff.org/images/eff-logo-red.gif

Thanks Reality.
I registered and sent the letter to my congressman.
This link should get pinned.

Thanks Clocker, I guess maybe it should get pinned.
Its true that EFF has made it very simple for us here.

I've also sent my letter, as every member of this forum should.

EDIT: I guess it already is Pinned,
Thanks to whoever Pinned it
We all can change this, we have the power too.

ALSO: Please post here to let us know if you've sent your letter as well.

Hey! i sent my letter! this is the kind of action we need to take! we cannot just SIT ON OUR ASSES we have got to fight back!

two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only

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Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 18:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only

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1. Please read through it completely. There were many alternatives posted there, I would imagine we can decide on whats best later. I thought the idea of a licensing fee, similar to radio, at the ISP level may be good, though there were several ideas.

2. These people effect many of us including Australia and the UK, and others abroad, and it is in A L L our benifit to try and resolve and put this this to an end.

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Originally posted by REALITY@25 July 2003 - 19:28
1. Please read through it completely. There were many alternatives posted there, I would imagine we can decide on whats best later. I thought the idea of a licensing fee, similar to radio, at the ISP level may be good, though there were several ideas.

2. These people effect many of us including Australia and the UK, and others abroad, and it is in A L L our benifit to try and resolve and put this this to an end.

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1. even the thought of a fee for filesharing is surely totally against the concept of filesharing itself? even if there are other alternatives, the main ones are paying for the service. why pay for something free??

2. the letter to mr congressmen is only available in the us.

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Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 19:32
1. even the thought of a fee for filesharing is surely totally against the concept of filesharing itself? even if there are other alternatives, the main ones are paying for the service. why pay for something free??

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I think the idea of this post is to find a solution, if you wish not to be a part of that then perhaps stay away from this post, since your comments are not productive.

1. Doing nothing will NOT stop the madness, nor have I suggested, or the EFF for you to pay, though at some level there needs to be a medium met. Again I do not think you have read all the alternatives at http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php.

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the main ones are paying for the service

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WRONG, just READ.

I just sent my letter and suggest that everyone (living in the US) do the same. It doesnt get any easier than this and you CAN make a difference.

Nice post REALITY.. Thank You ! ;)

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Originally posted by Tech TV website@ username list to be sued
www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa

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Try catching a guy with this user name!!!
Yes I am joking, I know they do it by the IP. But is'nt it ironic, dont ya think?!?

Edit: Just thought of a serious point to make.
P2P could be stopped tomorrow, but piracy would still exist as it always has. Why pick on a home user who d/l's for personal use when there are many who distrbute realeases for monertry gain? At the end of the day, how much of the stuff you d/l would you pay for? 20%. 50%? How much is the industry actually losing from P2P sharing? I think these are the real issues that the RIAA/MPAA should be exploring instead of quick fix solutions. All they are doing is pushing file sharing further underground until we become untraceable. Is that what they want?

The RIAA is doing its best to spin the bullshit into a cloud. I feel rightly splattered. They have NO legal abilities to arrest anybody, although with Bush on the bench, they'll be marching down main street in full Nazi regalia, with Chairman Ashcroft leading the charge in little time at all.

I registered and sent the letter to my representatives. Thank you for this quality and timely information, Clocker.

Neverose

Sorry guys, but I ain't gonna bother. I have other stuff to do, like stare at my wall. If you think that any member of congress is going to step up and say "giving money to big corporations is wrong" then you're living in the past. Bush has removed any chance of that.

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Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only

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Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I'm getting my letter sent in.

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Originally posted by Time+26 July 2003 - 07:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Time @ 26 July 2003 - 07:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only

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Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in. [/b][/quote]
I tried to say it nicely earlier...

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I think the idea of this post is to find a solution, if you wish not to be a part of that then perhaps stay away from this post, since your comments are not productive.

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But you got straight to the point...
I duuno why people choose to shit on ice cream...

Good to see some letters going out,
though for as many views as this has got
it would be nice to see more responses here.

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Originally posted by chalkmongoose@25 July 2003 - 23:27
Sorry guys, but I ain&#39;t gonna bother. I have other stuff to do, like stare at my wall. If you think that any member of congress is going to step up and say "giving money to big corporations is wrong" then you&#39;re living in the past.

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You know what, that may be true, but you also have to remember that the US government is a representative government, which means everyone in office must represent the people of America. This means if more and more people support something (such as this), the elected official will eventually show support for the people&#39;s requests. If the elected official doesn&#39;t seem to represent the people who voted for him, he will loose their votes in the next election (and if that many people are using P2P, that could be a dangerously high number).

So, instead of staring at your wall, why don&#39;t you try doing something and tell your elected official...the one who is representing you in courts and meetings and such...to stop this RIAA bullshit. I&#39;ve had enough of it, and yes, my letter&#39;s in the mail.

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Bush has removed any chance of that.

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You Democrats make me sick. But you know what? Don&#39;t change the subject. Just get your ass off the chair facing the wall and do something.

EDIT- Double post. Sorry

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Originally posted by Time@26 July 2003 - 07:10
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@25 July 2003 - 17:54
two things about this site put me off

1. they consider implementing charges for downloading music
2. this site seems to be u.s. only

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Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in.

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I tried to say it nicely earlier... [/b][/quote]
I know, I&#39;m just not in the mood for hearing any complaining. From now on I will refer to him as "Asshole".

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Originally posted by chalkmongoose@26 July 2003 - 06:27
Sorry guys, but I ain&#39;t gonna bother. I have other stuff to do, like stare at my wall. If you think that any member of congress is going to step up and say "giving money to big corporations is wrong" then you&#39;re living in the past. Bush has removed any chance of that.

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Bravo...
I don&#39;t think a bunch of useless law suits against kids (approximately 25% of users are under the age of 18) is going to put much money in anyones pocket, so whats your point here.

What we are trying to accomplish is a resolution, which you may have seen one to your liking had you read http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php.

Congress will HAVE to step in, just like they did when those in the music business tried to put radio out of business, they implemented Voluntary Collective Licensing.

In addition it took me 15 seconds to send that letter to all that needed.

Also you may want to change you sig to...
"Bringer of Apathy"

Did I mention I don&#39;t like extreme leftists?

<_<
I have already WRITTEN my congressman AND senator (not email, an actual typed letter) I never even received a form letter response. The ONLY way to change this situation is to change the media and public opinion. Most people are completely unaware of what the RIAA is actually doing or how. It not just the tornado of bullshit coming from the RIAA suits, but it is the money going into congress and a legislature and administration that is more than willing to oblige. Did you know that the RIAA had tried to slip language into the Homeland Securtity Bill and The Patriot Act? (both bills curtail freedoms anyway and wipe their A&#036;&#036; with the Bill of Rights) People in America WAKE THE HELL UP and vote these Nazis out of fucking office. The reason the RIAA is pissed at file sharing is less about money, and more to do with a LOSS OF CONTROL. Bush has already taken care of their money woes with this goofy-ass tax cut. And the RIAA clamping down of file-sharing has inadvertantly given rise to CHILD PORNO and TERRORISTS using the internet. Isnt that why we went into Iraq (or could it be all the OIL???) :angry:

I sent a letter :D :D. I was kinda leary about using my name, but then I though WTF&#33; Its not likely someone will actually READ it. On the offchance they do, then it in no way admits guilt. I also checked and there is more than one person living in my state with my first and last name so they would have to hunt down each of us to get to ME hehehe. ;) Im rather fond of my solution, &#092;below/ maby someday... s0me0ne simply has to find the right lead......

I think the MPAA is rediculous for sewing people. File sharing is just like buying a CD and letting your friends listen to it. You have to buy the CD to put the song on KaZaA.

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Originally posted by Time@26 July 2003 - 09:51
Then get the fuck out. Asshole.

I&#39;m getting my letter sent in.
I&nbsp; tried to say it nicely earlier...
I know, I&#39;m just not in the mood for hearing any complaining. From now on I will refer to him as "Asshole".

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you really think i care what you think of me?

if you do, you are sadly mistaken

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Originally posted by REALITY@25 July 2003 - 10:23


Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music.

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Get real Mr. Reality&#33; We are criminals

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Originally posted by funny_bunny+27 July 2003 - 21:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (funny_bunny @ 27 July 2003 - 21:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-REALITY@25 July 2003 - 10:23


Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music.

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Get real Mr. Reality&#33; We are criminals [/b][/quote]
By what definition if you don&#39;t mind me asking?
Also do you truly believe rightfully so?

Are you a criminal when you tape the Simpsons?
Are you a criminal when you let your friend borrow a DVD?
Are you a criminal if you own an ugly horse?

Lots of Crime with no Time.

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Originally posted by REALITY@27 July 2003 - 22:02
Are you a criminal when you tape the Simpsons?
Are you a criminal when you let your friend borrow a DVD?
Are you a criminal if you own an ugly horse?

Lots of Crime with no Time.

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only if you watch it more than once

yes

no

Actually there was an ugly horse law onthe book somewhere here in the US. :lol: :(
Anyway point is we would all like to see this BS go away. :D :D

i sent my letter and sent emails to three other people asking them to help. REALITY&#39;s right, if a lot of people do this then it WILL make a difference, otherwise we are all wasting our time. Get the word out. Senators and such have to listen to our opinions. Thats the way we do things in america. We are also punished for listening to music in america. When someone loses a dollar it&#39;s hell to pay.

The number one music artist and most popular at the moment doesn&#39;t care if people downloads his music off of the internet. 50 Cent. "I dont care how people get my music, as long as it gets to them and they love it." Thats what we got to convince other artists off and the music industry.

Thats someone who cares about music more than money.

Artists like Fred Durst thinks p2p is a way of free advertising and he supports it.

Even though some people don&#39;t like these artists music, most would like their opinions. We need to get the word out that what the recording industry is doing is WRONG. We can&#39;t do that just by sitting on our ass and doing nothing. Even if you don&#39;t believe this will work.. do it for the rest of the p2p community.

Recording any program "off-air" is legal if it is for your own personal use. It isn&#39;t always possible to be at home when a favourite program or movie is shown so the law allows "Time-shift" recording.
Yes, you are a criminal if you lend a film; in any format; to a friend. The licence agreement you accept when you buy the movie states clearly, "For private home use only".
There is no such thing as an ugly horse&#33; Or did you mean arse?

I sent my letter oh yeah

All I want to do is protect myself from the IRAA. I don&#39;t want them to see what files Im sharing.

I have a T1 for my website and most of it is used up from sharing files on kazaa. I was never able to do that long while back.

IMO, what these RIAA bastards need to do, is get together street teams of some sort, and crack down on crime that way. Here&#39;s my logic:

1. P2P users aren&#39;t going to pay for a CD anyways, so there is no point in suing them.

2. People who buy bootlegged/mixed CD are spending money. THAT&#39;S KEY IN THIS SITUATION. This money could be otherwise spent buying legitmate CDs. It is THESE people that keep artists from getting paid (albeit a small amount).

I know everyone who lives in even a REMOTELY large city (I live in Jackson MS, and I see em all the time), has seen these people. You know, outside with a card table and a tupperware bins FULL of CDs. Most of the time you can see that they&#39;re just white Memorex CDs with a Sharpie on them.

But that&#39;s just my 87 cents.

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Originally posted by funny_bunny@27 July 2003 - 22:46
There is no such thing as an ugly horse&#33;

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Just a goof, there was a law that was left on the books untill recently that said it was a crime if you owned an ugly horse, the law was very old.

Anyway I live in the US, and it is a matter that can be dragged into civil court pending damages. Though I wish it no longer, time to find a solution such as those at EFF. I will VOTE and WRITE untill a solution is reached to STOP making us criminals.

Altough if any of you are content with being a crimal, and wish to do nothing, bend over, empty your wallet and turn yourself in.
http://www.meet-an-inmate.com/malissa.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

www.k_lite.tk_Kazaa_Lite@Kazaa

how manny of u have that name? i just recently changed the defalt. from now on ima change it frequently. i wonder if their targeting all that had that name.

what do u guys think?

your username makes no difference. You can change your name a thousand times a day, but it won&#39;t change your ip and thats how they identify you. I dont even know why they released those stupid usernames. All it will do is confuse people.

These email form letters are ignored by politicians. You would have better results taking the gist of it and mailing it seperately.

And the RIAA is doing the right thing. They are protecting the rights of those who create this stuff. The free ride has to end at some point. No one OWES you anything. If you are downloading copyrighted music/movies without paying for them, you are taking without compensating - even if you share with others - especially if you share with others.

Do you expect to be paid for the work you do? I would think so.

Why don&#39;t you admit it. Enjoy your free ride while you can, but don&#39;t denegrade the people who are trying to see to it that the rights of the producers of the products you enjoy get paid for it. Whether you like their fees or not. Saying it&#39;s too expensive is rationalization. You are looking for an excuse to get something for nothing.

You know what? I do download/share some songs. But I&#39;m a hypocrite. At least I admit it. When it has to end, I will accept it as something that should have been done.

There, that won&#39;t get anyone riled. Nope. Not a chance....

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Originally posted by Mr.Maniotis@28 July 2003 - 09:55
These email form letters are ignored by politicians.&nbsp; You would have better results taking the gist of it and mailing it seperately.

And the RIAA is doing the right thing.&nbsp; They are protecting the rights of those who create this stuff.&nbsp; The free ride has to end at some point.&nbsp; No one OWES you anything.&nbsp; If you are downloading copyrighted music/movies without paying for them, you are taking without compensating - even if you share with others - especially if you share with others.

Do you expect to be paid for the work you do?&nbsp; I would think so.&nbsp;

Why don&#39;t you admit it.&nbsp; Enjoy your free ride while you can, but don&#39;t denegrade the people who are trying to see to it that the rights of the producers of the products you enjoy get paid for it.&nbsp; Whether you like their fees or not.&nbsp; Saying it&#39;s too expensive is rationalization.&nbsp; You are looking for an excuse to get something for nothing.

You know what?&nbsp; I do download/share some songs.&nbsp; But I&#39;m a hypocrite.&nbsp; At least I admit it.&nbsp; When it has to end, I will accept it as something that should have been done.

There, that won&#39;t get anyone riled.&nbsp; Nope.&nbsp; Not a chance....

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Very well expressed post.

I do want to say that politicians do pay attention to form letters, but even more so the volume received. I do think it would help to write one&#39;s own feelings about the issue to representatives, though.

I have no problem saying I can be a hypocrite. I am not proud of that fact, and I don&#39;t think anyone really is, when they are being one.

I think there have been a lot of things that were illegal in the history of the US and there have been a lot of people that continued to do them, even though they were illegal. But at the same time, they pushed for legalization.

Being hypocritical is pretty common in we human beings. I used to tell my children candy was bad for them. They did not know about my hidden stash of chocolate&#33;&#33; ;)

:ph34r: So then Mr. Maniotis, a hypocrite and a thief, 2 outstanding qualities, your a thief because you see "sharing" as wrong. Your a hypocrite because you leech from others. And now add COWARD to your list of attributes. File-sharing was alright in your mind as long as there was no legal consequence, now like the chicken shit you are, you switch your loyalties. In war your kind are called traitors. So Mr. Maniotis, contact the RIAA and be ready to write them a big fat check, bend over cause their coming home. Delete Kazaa, after all you dony know whos watching. ROFL Muhahahahahahaahahahahahah


PS. My letters in the mail.

I don&#39;t think that was Mr. Maniotis&#39;s intention at all, soldier.

I do think that he was trying to point out that if we want to effect change, name calling and denegrading the RIAA is a little counter-productive. And I agree to that.

For me to resort to name calling......that would be only when I let my emotions take over my mind, and usually follows my failing to be informed and knowing the facts of the issue. I sure try not to, because if I do, I always feel I have let the other guy win. ;)