How long untill 1.5 TB HD are available? Will there be performance gains? will they run more quietly or more power efficient?
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T
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How long untill 1.5 TB HD are available? Will there be performance gains? will they run more quietly or more power efficient?
Cheers,
T
Time will tell....
At a guess? Within 6 months. No way of knowing about power or noise, however it's almost a given that they will be at least marginally faster.
Not sure how much you know about HD's, but generally speaking larger HDs, have larger platter sizes. So there's more information in less space. This means the heads of the hard drive dont' have to go as far to seek certain sectors, resulting in better performance.
I don't think this is quite right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zelucifer
Physical size of the platter doesn't change.
To increase the capacity of a drive either the data density has to grow (i.e., implement perpendicular recording, for instance) or another platter is added- or both.
Current HDDs are dinosaurs and investing in large capacity units seems like a bad idea to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmo85
Solid state drives are going to become the norm- sooner rather than later- and run silently while using less power and generating less heat.
A side benefit to the commercialization of SSDs will be the elimination of optical drives as well.
We've seen the continuous increase in capacity- coupled with a corresponding drop in price- of thumb drives, to the point where it will soon be economically feasible to provide content (both software and media) on a USB drive rather than a disk.
This couples with the ability of new operating systems (i.e., Vista) to boot from a flash drive, thus, no disks needed.
This should lead to a fairly radical change in the appearance of desktop PCs.
If you look at the design of cases, one of the major parameters is that it's necessary to accommodate the size of an optical drive, both it's width and depth. To a slightly lesser degree, this is also true of mechanical HDDs.
Remove these two units from the picture and now the case need only be large enough to fit the motherboard and power supply and all you need to interface with the PC is access to a USB port.
Should be interesting.
wow, after clocker's bladerunner predictions i got all excited. i saw that sumsung has made 64gb ss drives. pretty damn cool.
Pshaw, that's nuttin.Quote:
Originally Posted by lee551
Now, granted these will no doubt be brutally expensive but there's no reason this technology won't follow the normal trend and get bigger at the same time it gets cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Hell, think back to only five years ago when SATA was exotic and 120GB drives were huge.
very nice. hopefully in 5 more years i can order a tb ssd off newegg for 100 bones. :D
and to the OP: you can get a 1tb sata drive on newegg for $250-350. reviews seem to be so-so though.
I don't see an economical solid state HD anytime in the near future.
It'd be great if there was. From my understanding with a solid state hard drive the need to have RAM is eliminated, because basically the entire HD is RAM. This isn't practiced, this would be under a new ideal platform.
But for the foreseeable future,
I think it will be much cheaper to buy a few gigs of RAM with traditional HD technology.
I see 2TB hard drives within the next year.
I wonder how much space you would lose on a 2TB drive well you don't really lose anything, but by the way they label drives it does feel like you lose some space.
My guess is 160gigs but I am not sure tbh and this makes me wonder if they will ever change there labeling process, since that would seem like a big difference to a person that is not computer savvy and probably end up pissing off the customer.
Disgruntled customer = bad for business. :P
Doh! double post sorry. :pinch:
The difference is roughly 7% so a 2TB drive would format to @1860GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by DKre8ive1
Seagate recently lost a class action suit over this very issue but it seems like a tempest in a teapot to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DKre8ive1
Most people who are ignorant of the difference in labeling conventions are also unable to find the "properties" tab in My Computer, so they never know what size HDD they have anyway.
Besides, the time to get irate over a few missing GBs was five years ago when the average HDD was maybe 20GB total and the per GB cost was much higher.
Nowadays, with cheap giant drives being the norm, a few gigs one way or the other is no big deal.
I'd rather have smaller drives equalling 1.5 TB than one alone.
It's too much to lose if the hard drive fails.
Also I don't see SSDs replacing HDDs anytime soon due to cost and drive size. HHDs are the next step since they use current hard drive tech along with flash memory. Current hard drives last a decent amount of time but a hybrid saves the platters from spinning as much and they use less power.
Even hybrid drives are kind of expensive right now so I don't see SSDs making mass headway into folks homes for some time.
Dream on.......Quote:
Originally Posted by lee551
Wanna bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
SSDs have three major things going for them that will soon render mechanical (even hybrid ) drives obsolete:
-Physical size
-Low power consumption and heat signature
-Practical immunity from physical shock
All three benefits are directly applicable to laptops and laptops will dominate the future market and thus, the hardware requirements.
Cost is of no consequence whatsoever- look at the current price structure of RAM (DDR2 is absurdly cheap)- as it's only a function of production facilities and they've been ramping up tremendously. Major memory makers have actually curtailed production in an effort to stabilize prices and profits (think diamonds and DeBeers here...).
Again, I ask you to look at the history of HDDs...five years ago SATA was an exotic and expensive technology and now the world's largest drive maker (Seagate) has dropped PATA drives altogether and SATA is ubiquitous.
SSDs will (I believe) follow the exact same adoption path...maybe even faster.
It's simply too good a technology not to succeed and , unlike many other advances...like SLI, for instance, it solves problems for a very wide spectrum of users.
As long as I'm proselytizing... I also think the obsession with giant storage capabilities on personal computers is soon to end.
With the increasing spread of web based apps/storage, why would you need to carry all that data on your machine?
Hit the web, stream what you want and then move on...no need to actually have it on your hard drive.
Google probably will rule the Earth, sooner rather than later.
haha i do not have HD 1.5 tb loool http://torrents.czone.ro/pic/smilies/wall.gif
You just named the pros.Quote:
Originally Posted by clockerWanna bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
SSDs have three major things going for them that will soon render mechanical (even hybrid ) drives obsolete:
-Physical size
-Low power consumption and heat signature
-Practical immunity from physical shock
All three benefits are directly applicable to laptops and laptops will dominate the future market and thus, the hardware requirements.
Cost is of no consequence whatsoever- look at the current price structure of RAM (DDR2 is absurdly cheap)- as it's only a function of production facilities and they've been ramping up tremendously. Major memory makers have actually curtailed production in an effort to stabilize prices and profits (think diamonds and DeBeers here...).
Again, I ask you to look at the history of HDDs...five years ago SATA was an exotic and expensive technology and now the world's largest drive maker (Seagate) has dropped PATA drives altogether and SATA is ubiquitous.
SSDs will (I believe) follow the exact same adoption path...maybe even faster.
It's simply too good a technology not to succeed and , unlike many other advances...like SLI, for instance, it solves problems for a very wide spectrum of users.
As long as I'm proselytizing... I also think the obsession with giant storage capabilities on personal computers is soon to end.
With the increasing spread of web based apps/storage, why would you need to carry all that data on your machine?
Hit the web, stream what you want and then move on...no need to actually have it on your hard drive.
Google probably will rule the Earth, sooner rather than later.
Tell everyone the cons.
Also web-based apps/storage has been around for awhile now with masses still not biting.
There many that are not comfortable with off-site storage (including myself).
Hell I have a computer that I never connect to the web due to security concerns (it's an intellectual property typa thang).
Why don't you enumerate the cons...I can't think of any offhand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
Yeah sure ya can't.:ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by clockerWhy don't you enumerate the cons...I can't think of any offhand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
Well, let's see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™Yeah sure ya can't.:ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
SSDs have:
-smaller size
-lower power consumption
-less heat
-higher MTBF
-no noise
-faster seek and more consistent read/write speed
-higher shock resistance
Right now, the only downsides I can think of are price (which will fall) and size (which will increase)- although this current situation reminds me of Raptors from a few years ago or the more recent iRAM- both of which solutions I tried and loved.
So, Busy, unless you just want to appear cryptically superior, why don't you tell us what the big objections are?
I for one would love to see solid state become the standard.
Like I said in another post in this thread. With a solid state drive, RAM becomes unnecessary. Because, basically the entire hard drive is RAM. It would be awesome to have the entire drive ready all the time. The performance would be amazing.
But I'm very pessimistic about the entire idea. Just because a technology is superior doesn't guarantee it's acceptance, at least not in the near term. Especially when it requires a totally new technological concept.
For the foreseeable future, I think hybrid drives will rule the market.
I also believe it will be a long transition into full SS.
Definitely agree. Considering the fail rate of the newer 1tb drives, which mind you isn't that bad, but could be improved, I would be apprehensive to have all my data accumulated on one drive. Several other drives would seem more reasonable, and nowadays the cost per GB is cheapest at around 500GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™I'd rather have smaller drives equalling 1.5 TB than one alone.
It's too much to lose if the hard drive fails.
Also I don't see SSDs replacing HDDs anytime soon due to cost and drive size. HHDs are the next step since they use current hard drive tech along with flash memory. Current hard drives last a decent amount of time but a hybrid saves the platters from spinning as much and they use less power.
Even hybrid drives are kind of expensive right now so I don't see SSDs making mass headway into folks homes for some time.
Dream on.......Quote:
Originally Posted by lee551
http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html
Apple MacBook Air can be shipped with a 64GB SSD for
only $3,098.00
it's not about how quickly the technology comes out. it's about how quickly the market bites it. price will only drop significantly if a significant portion of the market decides to take the plunge and make the conversion.
new technology always takes a while before the masses become wellinformed enough, and tbh the majority of the globe isn't exactly computer savy. take for example ddr3 ram. it's been out for awhile now, but the prices are still ridiculous. why? because noone needs them. and when noone needs them, nobody buys them at those prices, and so prices don't fall, so even fewer people buy them.
to wait for the price for solid state drives to match up to harddrives would take quite some time, because harddrives won't just stop at where it's at now. you might have 2TB/3TB stable harddrives out by the time 250GB solid state becomes affordable.
also, when you mentioned 5 years before, clocker, yes it's true. but then 5 years is a long time. you'll probbaly have changed 2 or 3 rigs by then. so i wouldn't say 5 years is "the near future", which is when u're claiming solid state drives will go mainstream.
If by "market" you mean "OEMs" then yes, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by athenaesword
They will jump on this technology fast and hard which will drive down the price quickly.
I'll bet we'll be able to buy a 120GB SSD for under $200 within 18 months.
Just a thought!!! Will usb3.0 accelarate the development of bigger SSDs? I mean the transfer speed of usb3.0 is reportedly more than the PCI slot?
No, SSDs are SATAII which is even faster.
I know one BIG con which makes me weary. Solid State Drives have data writing limits where HDDs have virtually none. Isn't the max number of writes like 500,000? Seems to be among the major cons for this technology.
200bucks for 120 is really expensive imo. i mean if ure using with with a desktop, what're the chances of having it bang around and being damaged, which is the primary advantage of ssds anyway. that's why flash audio players are so popular, because they might actually be susceptible to that kind of abuse, unlike harddrives.
I consider the primary advantage of SSDs to be the speed, not the durability.Quote:
Originally Posted by athenaesword
My 120GB look lamer then ever
They're slower with random writes than HDDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by clockerI consider the primary advantage of SSDs to be the speed, not the durability.Quote:
Originally Posted by athenaesword
Thats a very interesting point.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbucari1
i have 800 GB on RAID 0!!!
Good luck with that raid. I've lost 2 arrays in the past due to hardware issues. Since then I've stuck with single HDDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by badvirus
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbucari1
From a discussion here.Quote:
As far as direct reports from the DVN guys, as well as Mtron direct they are rating the lifespan of Solid State NAND material at 140 years of 50GB read/write per day. So, unless you are constantly using the drive in a server 365 days, 24/7 I can honestly say these drives will probably outlast most rotating mechanical drives for the average desktop user.
dragging this up again...
i was on engadget and read that sony's top end vaio tz comes with a 64gb ssd where windows is installed to improve boot time PLUS its 250gb hdd.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/11/v...configuration/
go early adopters!
Since I've switched back to XP 64, I'm seriously considering reviving my iRAM 4GB ramdisk for the OS.
Just have to come up with 4 x 1GB sticks of DDR.
Of all my different storage configurations, the iRAM is by far my fave.
So I'd have a 4GB ramdisk for the OS, 2 x 250GB in RAID0 for apps and data and a external 500GB eSATA for backup.
Sweet.
Then, as soon as practical- and I'm sticking to my 18 month prediction- I'll start converting over to SSDs.
Can't wait.
Not unless you have 2 750 gigs in RAID.
Agreed. They help bring prices down for the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by lee551
i got 2 500gb w.d. not raided (dont know how to do ti and which one is best)
waiting for at least 1.5tb or 2tb..
I don't think we'll be moving to SSD's anytime soon theyr still coming down in price too slowly and have issues of their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
I don't know when 1.5BTb HDD's will be available but according to Seagate using their new HAMR technology they should have 5Tb HDD's on shelves by 2010:
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21...e-breakthrough
Hitachi have plans for their own "Terabyte Era" HDD's packing 4Tb of space by 2011:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/storag...HDD-By-2011/p1
I don't think storage is going to slow done one bit in the foreseeable future.