Community - The Truth

Most every time I see a request thread, it is usually closed with a statement such as:

"I only want it because of the community, I would be a great addition etc. etc. etc."

The truth is there are very few trackers with communities like the ones you would expect. Now keep in mind, I'm not flaming any "top tier" trackers, but there are certain ones that are most certainly overhyped and misconstrued in a way that misrepresents the actual community there. In fact, the communities at What.cd and Waffles have some of the most fantastic communities I have ever come across; in terms of music lovers, you have every type of person imaginable. You can get recommendations about the newest and oldest music, from contemporary jazz to noise, and everything in between.

On a specific "top level" site that I have seen people requesting because of the "community", I have found the forums and people to be cold and alienating. In fact, this is true (for me) for more than one case. Most of the most requested trackers have boring and irksome forums.

The fact of the matter is you can never know what the community is like until you are a member there. You may have that person who praises the community there, but more often then not it has been hyped into something that is bound to disappoint.

In closing, I have found that SCC has the most comprehensive selection of content anyone could ever ask for. It has all the new ScT releases, TL and FTN releases, with great packs as well. All these people who want that "Level 10" (note the quotations) tracker for the community seem to be putting on a visage to pretend like that is what they want out of a tracker.

But hey, that's just me.
-KT

it's true, but i dont get why it was necessary to be said....everyone knows that already.

you only say that the community is good and you feel home to a tracker if you meet the same personalities, or interesting people with a very little in common. if you love music, you are probably going to find the best community among the music trackers, if you love movies, then movie trackers are the best for you. its rare, that you meet guys at a tracker who you feel good to chat with. it has nothing to do with the lvl of the tracker, its just a hypocrite lie.

anyway, be realistic, apart from some places you hang out at, its not a bad thing that ppl are nice there, but what i call community is when i just lay back at the beach with gf, torrenting is never going to be first

I find the forums on all those level 10 sites great, It's more a family than some randoms.

If you were to go offline for a few days, people would notice and ask how you've been etc.

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Originally Posted by LordS

I find the forums on all those level 10 sites great, It's more a family than some randoms.

If you were to go offline for a few days, people would notice and ask how you've been etc.

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Smaller the group better the community.

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Originally Posted by LordS

I find the forums on all those level 10 sites great, It's more a family than some randoms.

If you were to go offline for a few days, people would notice and ask how you've been etc.

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i agree!

there's a sense of bond bt users. And, that takes torrenting beyond just sharing.......it takes it to caring.

yes, community is nice, it helps people feel more secure i guess, but why is this a necessary thread again?

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Originally Posted by filonome

yes, community is nice, it helps people feel more secure i guess, but why is this a necessary thread again?

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That's an odd question...why is any thread necessary? why are there forums at all...to discuss ideas ;)

As to the OP I have to disagree. I've found that most of the forums on "top level" trackers are pretty good. There are two in particular that I really enjoy and find to be very welcoming. Another that a lot of people love to beg for I don't find I have much in common with the posters...mainly because the maturity level is lacking, however the content on that tracker more then makes up for it so I still love it :D


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I would agree that it's getting pretty annoying hearing community as an excuse for asking for a tracker. While community may be important all these collectors trying to extend their e-penis are making me sick :sick:

Tip one if you truly cared about community you'd have mates to invite you and you wouldn't need to ask on a public forum.

Tip two if you have trouble communicating it's pretty obvious you're full of shit. If you can't make sensible posts how are you ever going to get along on community based trackers :rolleyes:

Tip three THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME CONTENT :yup:

Nobody asks about me when I'm gone a few days :cry:

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Originally Posted by benchez

Nobody asks about me when I'm gone a few days :cry:

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who are you :unsure:

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Originally Posted by benchez

Nobody asks about me when I'm gone a few days :cry:

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Most of us say thank fuck actually.

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

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Originally Posted by benchez

Nobody asks about me when I'm gone a few days :cry:

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Most of us say thank fuck actually.

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LOL!

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Originally Posted by krunktastic

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But hey, that's just me.
-KT

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Good for you, but thankfully we are not all the same and we all have differing views and a lot of us get to know staff and posters, and have a laugh along the way, it's surprising where where we also happen to bump into one another along the journey.

One man's wine is another man's vinegar, and each to their own, and as long as you find what you want from a tracker, then leave others to also find what they want, be that community or content.

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Originally Posted by krunktastic

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But hey, that's just me.
-KT

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Good for you, but thankfully we are not all the same and we all have differing views and a lot of us get to know staff and posters, and have a laugh along the way, it's surprising where where we also happen to bump into one another along the journey.

One man's wine is another man's vinegar, and each to their own, and as long as you find what you want from a tracker, then leave others to also find what they want, be that community or content.

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Definitely agree with that.

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Originally Posted by LordS

I find the forums on all those level 10 sites great, It's more a family than some randoms.

If you were to go offline for a few days, people would notice and ask how you've been etc.

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Agree very much. Thos are the best communities that i have been honored to join.

I have to agree with Sear's post and will take it further, alot of members have learned to parrot the word community, without really understanding what it means or really caring. If you are active in the community on a tracker , you post in the forums are active on irc, upload if you can post torrent comments site suggestions etc, and generally be a part of the tracker.
There are many collectors out there who say they want to be a part of a 'community' but have a list of userbars or favicons in their signature, this immediately makes me suspicious, these are simply a perceived status symbol.
Secondly if you truly are a community person you would contribute to trackers/forums that aren't even listed or have a level rating, some of these trackers have the high rating because they are a closed community, by that I mean a small group that knows each other, this is not to everyones taste, but because of the rarity factor it is chased and then you have the collectors (and I have seen a long list of these) who once they achieve the perceived pinnacle of rarity then go but the tracker sucks or there are only a few people here or the speeds arent the same, well duuuuhhhh, if you wanted the leetest fastest latest greatest stick to the uber fast 0day sites, these sites offer something different, user content a request and offer system etc so that sharing is more in the spirit of the community.
I have enjoyed many posts by collectors and traders in the past who were sadly disappointed by getting to that L10 tracker and finding that it wasn't what they had hyped it up to be and without the true sense of community they are sadly disappointed by their acquisition.
A quick review of anyones post history here gives you a good idea of whether they are a community person or a collector it even shows you the percentage of posts in which section you are most active in so sometimes you don't even need to review the post history.

Without community tracker site won't be exist. :) + my sig

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Originally Posted by kyrcer

Without community tracker site won't be exist. :) + my sig

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Loving the sig, but "Community is The Truth".:D

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

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Originally Posted by krunktastic

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But hey, that's just me.
-KT

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Good for you, but thankfully we are not all the same and we all have differing views and a lot of us get to know staff and posters, and have a laugh along the way, it's surprising where where we also happen to bump into one another along the journey.

One man's wine is another man's vinegar, and each to their own, and as long as you find what you want from a tracker, then leave others to also find what they want, be that community or content.

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Thank you for a beautiful counter-post (?) to mine. I totally see where you're coming from.

As far as that goes, each person is going to find certain things that they like at every tracker. I was primarily addressing, though, the members who claim that they want that tracker solely for the presence of the community, which is usually a ploy just to get that "status symbol" tracker.

Personally, on the tracker I moderate on, most would say the community sucks; but we've been able to really work together (the staff) to try and help develop the IRC into something bigger than it's ever been. Since we've implemented some new ideas, we have increased our userbase and grown together as a community through this.

So I can totally see how some people would even perceive the worst communities to be exciting and fun, as this is all based on perception. But I don't think it should be used as an excuse. Keep the posts coming.

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Originally Posted by LordS

I find the forums on all those level 10 sites great, It's more a family than some randoms.

If you were to go offline for a few days, people would notice and ask how you've been etc.

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And that is exactly the main problem ;)

If you're a "random" in there (which we -all- have been one time), you're not too welcome.. I want to join a community when they don't look at nicks and for how many weeks you've been a member..

There are some great communities out there, but unfortunately there are too many "who the fuck are you to talk?"-communities to "noobs"..

-Vidde =)

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Originally Posted by krunktastic

I have found the forums and people to be cold and alienating.

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No need to walk that far. Here, on FST, when someone creates the thread about smth. he needs, more or less badly, you can predict "usual suspects" to appear there, not to help, but to:

1) spam, earn more posts, stars, whatsoever
2) brag of their anti-smth balls
3) tell him, that he doesn't deserve that tracker
4) tell him that he's doing the wrong thing, and tell him what to do with account/invite (this ones usually being surprised a lot when told to fcuk off)
5) request the same thing and hijack the thread
6) wish a good luck/you deserve it, sometimes = 1)
7) you name it

So, total number of useful posts less usually less than 20% and cold and alienating attitudes prevails.

Hey! Hi Vidde :wave:

Speaking of community. It IS nice to say hello to you.

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

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Originally Posted by benchez

Nobody asks about me when I'm gone a few days :cry:

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Most of us say thank fuck actually.

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+1 .Good riddance.....anyway, benchez is into writing Reviews and papers on torrents.......

Ofcourse, they are going to say, I am a "community guy" ......just to "Get an Invite OR to get in".....what else, are they going to say::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

1. I am a Trader
2. I am a scammer
3. I am a collector
4. Been Banned from that Tracker or forum
5. Or all of the above...

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

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Originally Posted by benchez

Nobody asks about me when I'm gone a few days :cry:

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Most of us say thank fuck actually.

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:pinch:

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Originally Posted by Enlightened

+1 .Good riddance.....anyway, benchez is into writing Reviews and papers on torrents.......

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Originally Posted by ceasar

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Originally Posted by krunktastic

I have found the forums and people to be cold and alienating.

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No need to walk that far. Here, on FST, when someone creates the thread about smth. he needs, more or less badly, you can predict "usual suspects" to appear there, not to help, but to:

1) spam, earn more posts, stars, whatsoever
2) brag of their anti-smth balls
3) tell him, that he doesn't deserve that tracker
4) tell him that he's doing the wrong thing, and tell him what to do with account/invite (this ones usually being surprised a lot when told to fcuk off)
5) request the same thing and hijack the thread
6) wish a good luck/you deserve it, sometimes = 1)
7) you name it

So, total number of useful posts less usually less than 20% and cold and alienating attitudes prevails.

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+1

^^ #8

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Originally Posted by krunktastic

I have found the forums and people to be cold and alienating.

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No need to walk that far. Here, on FST, when someone creates the thread about smth. he needs, more or less badly, you can predict "usual suspects" to appear there, not to help, but to:

1) spam, earn more posts, stars, whatsoever
2) brag of their anti-smth balls
3) tell him, that he doesn't deserve that tracker
4) tell him that he's doing the wrong thing, and tell him what to do with account/invite (this ones usually being surprised a lot when told to fcuk off)
5) request the same thing and hijack the thread
6) wish a good luck/you deserve it, sometimes = 1)
7) you name it

So, total number of useful posts less usually less than 20% and cold and alienating attitudes prevails.

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I disagree with parts of what your post and agree with other parts. Me personally i like to wish members good luck to leave them a shed of hope, also i try to help new users out by giving them some constructive advice that could get them far in a forum like this one.

I alway state to be active, make friends, contribute (not just inviting people), participate in forum discussions (like this one here), respect other members and the rules, and never trade or take accounts (if you want to instill trust in other good respected members within this forum).

Alot of times though i do see people who alienate noobs and just say unpleasant things to deter them. I think it's all right to be curious about trackers, what they have to offer, their community. Only if your vying to be a great entrusted member though. also it's good to help a noob get on the right path and head in the right direction before they lose their trust. Every member starts with a trust level of zero. It either increases or decreases over time (depending on various situations).

If your cheater, scammer, account trader (who hasn't cleaned up their act), or anything else hazardous to this forum community or anywhere else? Then this post and my help or advice does not apply to you. That when i would consider you a lost cause. Just wanted to chime in alittle bit on this with some substance.

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Most of us say thank fuck actually.

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+1 .Good riddance.....anyway, benchez is into writing Reviews and papers on torrents.......

Ofcourse, they are going to say, I am a "community guy" ......just to "Get an Invite OR to get in".....what else, are they going to say::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

1. I am a Trader
2. I am a scammer
3. I am a collector
4. Been Banned from that Tracker or forum
5. Or all of the above...

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Or:

I need this tracker because:

1. I need the content
2. I have the content and want to upload
3. I offer such-and-such a skill
4. I have access to content
5. I have such-and-such a situation and need such-and-such a torrent...

Community has become just another excuse, point being that the above are the prevailing number of members here. I wish the people who spend all their time in the Bittorent - Invites forum would read this.

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Originally Posted by krunktastic

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Originally Posted by Enlightened

+1 .Good riddance.....anyway, benchez is into writing Reviews and papers on torrents.......

Ofcourse, they are going to say, I am a "community guy" ......just to "Get an Invite OR to get in".....what else, are they going to say::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty::frusty:

1. I am a Trader
2. I am a scammer
3. I am a collector
4. Been Banned from that Tracker or forum
5. Or all of the above...

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Or:

I need this tracker because:

1. I need the content
2. I have the content and want to upload
3. I offer such-and-such a skill
4. I have access to content
5. I have such-and-such a situation and need such-and-such a torrent...

Community has become just another excuse, point being that the above are the prevailing number of members here.

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Now if your a sour grape (you all know who you are, even if we don't) then 100% i agree with both of you. Good points as well.:) unfortunately, you have to take in the bad with the good. It's life, and life is not always fair i guess...Good thread krunktastic.:)

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Originally Posted by benchez

Nobody asks about me when I'm gone a few days :cry:

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who are you :unsure:

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Hint:
//His name is not Brandon, obviously. //

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Originally Posted by pandabear

Yea i would have to say sometimes the hype really lets you down. For example i got a site which was heavily hyped from here from a friend, and the site was supposed to be all about community. Well what a let down, after a few day of reading the boring threads (what size shoes you wear etc) and barely any interesting posts, and a dull irc which was quiet for large periods, and when there was talk it was with friends i knew from other sites mainly, i gave up on the site. So in short, don't go joining a torrent site for community, because you will be severely disappointed at times, or worse, will force yourself to think that because this site was rare, its a more interesting community. Just join a site to download, and you will, like most one day will get bored, and browse the forums, and fall in love with it.

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My community is where I live. :huh:

pandabear

A site like TL is dreadful when it comes to the community, but their content is good. I guess that sorta makes up for it. Yes some sites that were hyped for their community was only that. Hype. Good point.

@pandabear

A site like TL is dreadful when it comes to the community, but their content is good. I guess that sorta makes up for it. Yes some sites that were hyped for their community was only that. Hype. Good point.

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Originally Posted by benchez

My community is where I live. :huh:

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+1 :)

A "good" community for you depends on your personality and your hobbies/interests. Some like to discuss politics and so forth, others prefer to discuss out of 5 just how nice that ass is.

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A "good" community for you depends on your personality and your hobbies/interests. Some like to discuss politics and so forth, others prefer to discuss out of 5 just how nice that ass is.

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Yes very true. Wish all the ass talking was toned down alittle bit but i guess it still makes for great discussion.:)

Everyone here makes good points but i must disagree with some things. I for one love being part of smaller communities where I can get to know people. This to me is what filesharing is about. If you think about it, in terms of cont4ent, Scc and Sct are very similar but people want Sct way more because it is considered a level 10 site. I am lucky enough to be a member of both, but honestly I use Scc more because I like the people there a little better. They seem a lot more welcoming and nicer.

At Scc i have like a 600 gig buffer and that is why people there are nice to me. The dont like me for who I am or my friendliness amongs teh forums but because i seed alot. These same people wouldnt have given me the time of day when i first signed up for an account

I do believe that people have to earn trust on forums but at the same time I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt. For example if a new person here with under 10 posts asks for help I will gladly offer it to them. Granted im not gonna send him a Sct or mRevtt invite but after i get to know him alil ill help get him started with a lower level invite. I think to many peoplearound here judge based on # of posts,giveaways, and the like. But what is really important is the aspect of what kind of person you are dealing with. Maybe they are new to torrents and dont know all that much so they cant offer mcuh help but at the same time they might be very friendly, willing to learn, and very active in the community. To me this person deserves a chance to get started out--- I mean we all started somewhere.

Granted there are always collectors, traders, cheaters, scammers, etc... but we cannot judge everyone based on the premise that they fall into these categories.

Just my two cents

Jon

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Everyone here makes good points but i must disagree with some things. I for one love being part of smaller communities where I can get to know people. This to me is what filesharing is about. If you think about it, in terms of cont4ent, Scc and Sct are very similar but people want Sct way more because it is considered a level 10 site. I am lucky enough to be a member of both, but honestly I use Scc more because I like the people there a little better. They seem a lot more welcoming and nicer.

At Scc i have like a 600 gig buffer and that is why people there are nice to me. The dont like me for who I am or my friendliness amongs teh forums but because i seed alot. These same people wouldnt have given me the time of day when i first signed up for an account

I do believe that people have to earn trust on forums but at the same time I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt. For example if a new person here with under 10 posts asks for help I will gladly offer it to them. Granted im not gonna send him a Sct or mRevtt invite but after i get to know him alil ill help get him started with a lower level invite. I think to many peoplearound here judge based on # of posts,giveaways, and the like. But what is really important is the aspect of what kind of person you are dealing with. Maybe they are new to torrents and dont know all that much so they cant offer mcuh help but at the same time they might be very friendly, willing to learn, and very active in the community. To me this person deserves a chance to get started out--- I mean we all started somewhere.

Granted there are always collectors, traders, cheaters, scammers, etc... but we cannot judge everyone based on the premise that they fall into these categories.

Just my two cents

Jon

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Actually according to some forums and other sites, they recently updated the supposed "level list" and ScT is only level 5 now. It doesn't matter to me what level it is though. I rather have a good smaller forum community, then a big tracker with no forum community. I do love the two big sites with a huge user base and community though.:)

i wonder , how people can define a collector ?
i mean it's very hard to know whether this man is asking for an invite is just want it as a trophy or really want it to be an active member in the site.
i guess collectors are not the problem .the problem is the cheaters and scammers .
even if you invited a collector , his account will decay from inactivity .

for a community i would love to join forums , not a torrent site

if a trackers lacks content , would you even bother to login to that site just for the so called community ?

benchez, seventh seal right ? :D

In my opinion, the levels are completely arbitrary - in fact the whole system is ridiculous. I think by removing that thread FST will have sooo many less problems to worry about. It draws unnecessary attention to the "high level" trackers that wish to remain under the radar, forcing them to cut themselves off.

I have learned tid bits from every community, big or small, thats what makes them priceless to me