No Community Reps Means You Can Trade Everything!

Seeing I am tired of people replying in trading threads that 'trading ** is forbidden'. This time period is OVER. The community reps are NO longer as you must surely have read somewhere on FST. This means that you can trade whatever you want whether it is a TL account or NB account etc. Though this does not mean that you do not run any risk in getting a disabled account.

Hope this is clear for everybody because some people still don't get the point or don't want to hear it.

Please bump this thread or post something so that everybody reads this and to stop the spamming in the trading / giveaway threads.

Regards :)

Yes, you're right.

Also note that previously, part of the deal to becoming a CR was to allow invite trading, which meant they couldn't disable you for invite trading.

Now that part of the deal is off too ;)

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Originally Posted by KFlint

We sincerely hope people will realize that by themselves now

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I would also like to see this... but some have the idea that because FST allows trading it is ok to do it... and that way of mind couldn't be more wrong. Of course you're not breaking FST's rules by doing it, but what about the trackers' rules you agreed to follow when signing up? Are those ok to break?

I guess everyone knows this by now, and they still trade, so I don't think we'll be seeing a change to decrease this problem in the near future, unfortunately.

Indeed

You might like it or not, those are the new rules guys, please respect it

That doesn't mean account trading is a nice thing to do and we don't want to send a message like : " go trade accounts now, it's cool to do so"

We sincerely hope people will realize that by themselves now

I believe people are way more educated on the subject than 1 year ago to compare, well at least i am and know many people like me

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Originally Posted by KFlint

That doesn't mean account trading is a nice thing to do, but we hope people will realize that by themselves now

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Somehow I don't think that's going to happen :cry:

This is in deed very strange: the same group of people all condemn a ratio cheater. A cheater break tracker's rule. But those same group of people see it as their right to break other section of the same tracker's rule: treading account, threading invite.

No one here will ever openly support a ratio cheater; yet we find a lot of support for members to break the rule of tracker on account trading and invite trading.

Just an observation.

to the OP: i think the problem might be that the people who keep spamming the threads with these things are probably not the same people who read the threads in this section, but only lurks in the invite section, playing besserwissers in a pathetic attempt to "gain points" :).

that also means they can ban ur a$$ :lol:

1 question

What FST staff thinks about trading invites / accounts, or giving away invites ?

Im asking this to

Skizo, RealitY, KFlint, Detale


im just Curious

u can offer account for trade now its ok but staffer still can hunt u down so dont trade account or invites untell u know what u are doing fst rules have changed but trackers rules dosent....

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Originally Posted by TP635

This is in deed very strange: the same group of people all condemn a ratio cheater. A cheater break tracker's rule. But those same group of people see it as their right to break other section of the same tracker's rule: treading account, threading invite.

No one here will ever openly support a ratio cheater; yet we find a lot of support for members to break the rule of tracker on account trading and invite trading.

Just an observation.

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Hmm, questionable logic :dry: Hating cheaters but not traders is not necessarily hypocritical. Take me for example: I think cheaters suck, but not because they break tracker rules. I hate them because cheating is inherently dishonest - they take without giving (which goes against the whole ethos of bittorrent and file-sharing) and they lie about how much (or how little) they share. I also hate them because if I trade/give an invite to someone who then falsifies their ratio, it puts me at risk of getting banned from the tracker. Trading is arguably OK, if done responsibly and honestly, but ratio cheating is never justifiable.

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Originally Posted by Emperator

1 question

What FST staff thinks about trading invites / accounts, or giving away invites ?

Im asking this to

Skizo, RealitY, KFlint, Detale


im just Curious

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i remember CR agreement said something like this:

We recognize that account trading are problem but invite trading isn't. If members of one site is rewarded with invite, it's obvious that some desire to trade it to get into different site.

So i think that is what they think?

But i am sure they don't mind trading at all (invite or account)...and that is why they are allowed here :P

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

But i am sure they don't mind trading at all (invite or account)...and that is why they are allowed here :P

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I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I can assure you, none of the 4 mentioned look with good eyes trading... invites or accounts.

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

But i am sure they don't mind trading at all (invite or account)...and that is why they are allowed here :P

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hahaha, good one

there ain't no trader in the staff as far as i know

giving away invites or trading invites is roughly the same thing, you let stranger join a tracker. But at least, this way, you remain responsible for who you invited, so while i understand why trackers don't like it, i believe that's a not a major concern.

on the other side, account trading can lead to multiple problems, including cheating (to buffer account and trade it), scamming, false representation on a tracker etc...for some reasons, some trackers aren't preoccupied by that while other are

think i don't have to tell which one is worst

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Originally Posted by TP635

This is in deed very strange: the same group of people all condemn a ratio cheater. A cheater break tracker's rule. But those same group of people see it as their right to break other section of the same tracker's rule: treading account, threading invite.

No one here will ever openly support a ratio cheater; yet we find a lot of support for members to break the rule of tracker on account trading and invite trading.

Just an observation.

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Hmm, questionable logic :dry: Hating cheaters but not traders is not necessarily hypocritical. Take me for example: I think cheaters suck, but not because they break tracker rules. I hate them because cheating is inherently dishonest - they take without giving (which goes against the whole ethos of bittorrent and file-sharing) and they lie about how much (or how little) they share. I also hate them because if I trade/give an invite to someone who then falsifies their ratio, it puts me at risk of getting banned from the tracker. Trading is arguably OK, if done responsibly and honestly, but ratio cheating is never justifiable.

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Both acts break trackers rule and will lead to a ban. I don't see it being illogical. A cheater will be able to justify his act and so will n illegal account treader.

I am not hating any group for such act; I am only stating it as an observation. You said you hate cheaters; fair enough. But there will be people who will disassociate them self from you because you are are illegal account treader. And that you have to accepts. There will be people who go further as to hate you.

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Originally Posted by KFlint

giving away invites or trading invites is roughly the same thing, you let stranger join a tracker. But at least, this way, you remain responsible for who you invited, so while i understand why trackers don't like it, i believe that's a not a major concern.

on the other side, account trading can lead to multiple problems, including cheating (to buffer account and trade it), scamming, false representation on a tracker etc...for some reasons, some trackers aren't preoccupied by that while other are

think i don't have to tell which one is worst

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:yup:Something i failed to realize when i was doing giveaway's (Which i don't anymore after losing my what.cd and pro wrestling torrents accounts for doing invite giveaway's on fst) Giving them away and trading them is basically the same thing (when it's being given to somebody you don't know). I agree with KFlint on this also, I have learned alot more about the BT world, rules, how things work, that i didn't know since November 2007.

I hope that now when no trackers get special preference, staff here will allow staff at sites to do anything and everything in their power, to disable account traders and people who giveaway accounts where the tracker doesn't allow it.

That would make the new com-rep free FST even better than it was before.

As for people replying to trading/giveaway threads that it is not allowed due to tracker rules, I would think it has a positive effect on many of the newer members here that might not know this, and could make for a change of heart when it comes to trading, accepting accounts.

They maybe dont like trading, but trading is what keeps this section on the top and alive. So they just mind their own a**es and dont care much about tracker rules.

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Originally Posted by KFlint

account trading can lead to multiple problems, including cheating (to buffer account and trade it), scamming, false representation on a tracker etc...for some reasons, some trackers aren't preoccupied by that while other are

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Agreed.

It seems everyone in their right senses agree that account trading is wrong, so why not take this opportunity of a change in FST policies towards trackers and make FST even better by doing that long awaited step and disallowing account trading? I mean, the circumstances have changed and there is nothing more to gain for FST users; before the change one could argue that FST users gained an extra benefit of being able to trade invites freely according to the ComReps agreement, but now that that's irrelevant why keep supporting a thing which only hurts the BT community and achieves nothing? :frusty:

In answer to the OP and others yes exactly , the removal of CR status means you can trade anything you desire, but I think you wll find the reverse is true, because of this the trackers will toughen up their invite rules even more making it more difficult rather than easier to join these communities. I think that you will find staff members far less understanding of the zomg my a/c has been stolen when your traded a/c gets scammed too. Also of course since invite giveaways are clearly against most tracker rules you will see more bans coming through now for giveaways since the comm reps and therefore those agreements have been revoked.
In the big picture though outside of this forum in the BT community in general, this will bring about a hardening of tracker rules since the rules of the invite section here on FST are against the rules of the trackers you wish to belong to. We have already seen in the last month one of the most respected trackers ftn completely remove invites and even two of the newer sites have also made a similar move to prevent invite trading, this is only going to continue becasue the sites you want to belong to do not want you to trade their invites, let alone the a/c's that everyone will try to trade now, all this does is hurt the community and bring about a stiffening of the rules.
On the upside of course Kflint can now now nail all the little gl +1 spamzores to his hearts content and all the others who spam the invite section.

Nooooooo now the forum is going to be a big chaos. People are going to start skeeming and evertytihng..

Just remove the pointless ratings and your problem will be solved.

What do ratings have anytihng to do with it?? maybe they do but at least keep the tracker reviews so people don't go chasing after someitnhg and then find out that wasn't what they were looking for.

I don't know if most of you realize this (N00bs and others not in the know) But Administers, mods, sysops, the president, whoever the hell else, know whats going on. They know who the bad seeds are, they know who is account trading, scamming, basically anything claimed a "Bad Deed" Due to your IP address, software and other things that come with the tracker database they use, and users who spy on users (Who won't reveal their identity) They don't even need forums and FST to do these things. Though sometimes it helps, and makes the banning process faster for trackers and their staff.

Members here should also realise that if they break tracker's rules there is a good chance all their information will be passed to other trackers.
This change in rules on FST will hopefully see to it that sites communicate better and share info to tighten the net on this sort of behaviour. :smilie4:

EDIT: yeah what he said. ^

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Originally Posted by KFlint

Indeed

You might like it or not, those are the new rules guys, please respect it

That doesn't mean account trading is a nice thing to do and we don't want to send a message like : " go trade accounts now, it's cool to do so"

We sincerely hope people will realize that by themselves now

I believe people are way more educated on the subject than 1 year ago to compare, well at least i am and know many people like me

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If FST dint support trading there wouldnt be any BT invite section at all.....

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Originally Posted by pawned

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Originally Posted by KFlint

Indeed

You might like it or not, those are the new rules guys, please respect it

That doesn't mean account trading is a nice thing to do and we don't want to send a message like : " go trade accounts now, it's cool to do so"

We sincerely hope people will realize that by themselves now

I believe people are way more educated on the subject than 1 year ago to compare, well at least i am and know many people like me

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If FST dint support trading there wouldnt be any BT invite section at all.....

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Wow did you come up with that all on your own? :ermm:

FST supports freedom for our members, Also with your big 17 posts after you been here a while you may find out many many sites don't care about invite trading and yes there are a few that don't care about acct trading either. So we have the BT invites section to trade and hold giveaways but we also suggest that our members uphold respective site rules as best they can.

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Originally Posted by pawned

If FST dint support trading there wouldnt be any BT invite section at all.....

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Wow did you come up with that all on your own? :ermm:

FST supports freedom for our members, Also with your big 17 posts after you been here a while you may find out many many sites don't care about invite trading and yes there are a few that don't care about acct trading either. So we have the BT invites section to trade and hold giveaways but we also suggest that our members uphold respective site rules as best they can.

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100s of Kids in a candy shop, store owner shouts

"from now on children, all candy is free, but please, only take what you need for now",

There's a sign above the door that says

"no-one will stop you taking whatever you want, but we have cameras watching you and if you get caught coming back for more & more we will have to stop you and ban you from this shop only as that is all we can and are allowed to do, we can't stop you going to the shop next door"

And all the happy children all walked out with only 1 little lollipop each and the world lived happily ever after.

so basically all reps are no longer getting the stars? they just normal members now?

@SGT
a bit oversimplified and dramatic don't you think? Hopefully the majority here don't act like children. Also I believe it's been made clear that staff will most likely "go after" traders as well so members should be careful as to what they trade and not cry if they get banned for such behavior


@Tiantian

Well the stars were only stars they are still the same members they were. Some good some well...not so much

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Originally Posted by Detale

@Tiantian

Well the stars were only stars they are still the same members they were. Some good some well...not so much

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but former reps still allow to be part FST right?

all the reps will be back (or maybe they still here) just without the rep tags
so they can still catch people and band them
you dont have to be with 5 stars tag to ban people form trackers the staffers can do it as regular members here

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Originally Posted by bluelabel

all the reps will be back (or maybe they still here) just without the rep tags
so they can still catch people and band them
you dont have to be with 5 stars tag to ban people form trackers the staffers can do it as regular members here

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don't know why they removed their titles

thanks for the reply

One way it's good and not in the other those that get cought tradeing where there not supposed to have a bigger chance now to get cought. And it milks out people that do not wish to remain to be part of that tracker. The problem i see how would a person resolve a problem with a certain tracker if community reps are not here? an issue of trust comes into play not knowing who is who if somebody else offer their help i have solved a few problems here when i had no access to the site or irc via community rep.

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So we have the BT invites section to trade and hold giveaways but we also suggest that our members uphold respective site rules as best they can.

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A little slippery of you there Detale ?, there is little in the way of suggestions that members uphold site rules here, and most of those that engage in trading especially of a/c's no full well that this breaks the membership rules of the trackers that they belong to (with as you say 'some' exceptions).
In a way I agree the CR agreements were a half assed solution, especially for those sites not wishing their invites to be given away in public. I think the reaction from the majority of trackers will be more rigorous enforcement of their site rules, and probably a continuation of the trend for trackers to close or severely limit their invitation system.
But then trade was always about personal gain rather than any kind of community spirit anyway ?

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Originally Posted by Artemis

But then trade was always about personal gain rather than any kind of community spirit anyway ?

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I'm afraid so....:yup:

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Originally Posted by Emperator

1 question

What FST staff thinks about trading invites / accounts, or giving away invites ?

Im asking this to

Skizo, RealitY, KFlint, Detale


im just Curious

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Sorry for interfering on this but the answer to this is pretty much in here : http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...d-first-124002
If you take a closer look you will find this in the guidelines :
"Respect Communities You're A Member Of
Who You Invite

Most sites want you to invite those you know and trust.
At the least read their posts to get familiar with them.
If possible check their profile at mutual torrent sites.
Site Names And URL Links

DO NOT post links or names of sites that don't want them posted.
DO NOT post names with spaces and similar to bypass filters.
DO NOT post images with this information for these sites.
Read the rules of the sites you're a member at and if you choose
to break them don't complain if action is taken against you."
I think that FST rules and guidelines are pretty good .
I see things this way : When someone joins FST comunity it has 30 days before beeing allowed to enter the Invite Section . If that someone is smart uses those 30 days to get familiar with the forum and see how things go in here i am mainly refering to this : trade ? or not trade ? Well there are 30 days for everyone to decide if they are here to trade or be a part of the comunity here and learn some things about the BT comunity that u can`t really learn in other places (i searched ... didn`t find any as good as FST is)
There are some advantages in just beeing a part of this comunity : like one staff from FSC(and not only) said : u have the chance here to get noticed(by the right people) and get invited in places where u can never join by trading (and that`s a fact).
If the trading way is what someone choses ... well then that`s his choice but it is a long term suicidal choice (at least that`s how i see it ) because u will eventually get caught and start losing every tracker u are in (another fact).
Bottom line : FST doesn`t encourage trading or public giveaways it only allows it.

P.S All that i have written above is my way off seeing how FST is.

I agree with SCR as far as the rules. I don't agree with the account trading but you can't always have your cake and eat too can you? Also the staff are not here to babysit other trackers only this forum. I think BT mods, and administers, prefer to join in on intellectual conversations versus playing the role of dad or a BT cop(Thats why they tend to hangout in the lounge or everything related to this board sections of the forums). But thats hard to do as well.

well whatever else happens, I hope Kflint enforces the infraction rule over the rather disgusting tags that this thread is attracting.........

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well whatever else happens, I hope Kflint enforces the infraction rule over the rather disgusting tags that this thread is attracting.........

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:yup: the tag thing all of a sudden is being misused a lot. atleast they were entertaining previously. now its just gross. unless some infractions are handed out, people are not going to learn.

the title of this thread is extremely misleading to newcomers here who do not have much background or understanding of what has happened. as such, most trackers have been against invite trading and for CRs to agree not to act upon it was always a compromise of the tracker rules. this was waiting to happen and im glad that it finally did. atleast now the tracker staff here have the power to act when someone is found trading. so if you ask me, the situation has gotten worse for invite/account traders. the title of this thread should be the opposite!

I also think the title although not misleading only shows one side of the equation and my previous posts in this thread have been an attempt to point out the other side, unfortunately though most can only see that there are now no rules for trading, anything bt related is up for trade. Of course as I also mentioned and others have too, there are now no invite rules for the CR's to follow either so any trading or public giveaways that are against the rules of the tracker involved will result in a ban if the user is caught. Simple choice really, but I think all the 'my account has been stolen' threads that are about to appear will fall on far deafer ears than before from the tracker staff.