I'm getting tired from this

sorry for doing that but I had many giveaways lately and each one I saw the same word
"please I need it"
"pleas that one is good for my study"
"I looking for along time to that one"
the same shit over and over

but lets see in real how much they "realy" want it
p.s
what you going to see its only little exmple, there is more

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4818/111cutwz6.jpg


most of them barely touch their account

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5893/333cutcj0.jpg


same thing here^^^

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1639/444cutie9.jpg


and the same here ^^^


and as I said before I have more of this kind

so what I should do now??? stop giveaway???

give away only to trusted members?

ahh is this libble or something? :( i think you still should because lots of good members will miss out if everyone stop giveaways. it's just unfortunate that some members just want it for no reasons..

Sadly agree...I do not see any point in further giveaways. Most of my invitees scarcely use their accounts. Let alone, I changed my mind recently on this issue: it is not much better than trading an invite. At the end of the day, even giving the invite "for free" You invite and let in a complete stranger, no matter how decent and charming he appears. And that is a risk - factor.

its sad but true. what you could do is just look around for requests and help those in need. usually someone who opens a thread for a particular site needs it more than people who just grab something from giveaways just to see how it is or to collect

yea i can also see in my invites tree very poor members,but in general its ok :)

and yea its always fun to watch words like

"please that one is good for my study" (one of my favorit) :D

That's true.
A lot of friends I have invited in the past haven't used their accounts as well.

However, the most retarded thing is to giveaway your account when you no longer need it.
I prefer an inactive invitee than someone who gives away his account because he doesn't like it any more.
I always ask my invitees to delete their account if they no longer need it, than give it away to a stranger. :dabs:

That's true, I've experienced a similar situation, and I can say that's pretty frustrating... but that was some time ago, now I never invite people, let's call it "randomly" from FST

I've figured that's not fair to me, the tracker I invite them to and the other people who really need this invite

You just gotta give the invite for someone you trust and know that he is going to take a good care of his account, and that way both invitee and tracker wins ;)
Of course, you can never know what you invitee is gonna do...

There are just way too many of these kind of people out there. Even in giveaways that ask for ratio proof, most people provides really crap proof that had hardly any activity.

I've limited my giveaway to sites which I think they could use some fresh members and of course invites get refilled really fast. I figured, I could take my chances and hope occasionally bump into a nice invitee who actually use the site. For people who don't use it, thats for the auto pruning script to do the job.

but you never know if the people you invite is going to use the account or not
I ask for ratio proofs and profile links, but I'm well known that most of people put only their best proofs and they still have some trackers with bad ratio
but there is along distance from bad ratio member to inactive members
I preffer inviting bad ratio member than inactive member
members with bad ratio are members that use the aacount and thats fine, they just need to upload more..
but inactive members with 0.00 up 0.00 down are just collector that ask for that tracker cause its rare or they can get good offer on that account in other furom trackers or via PM

i see it also with my invitees blue ,there is nothing new here , and lets apeak the truth .....one person doesnt really need more then 5-6 good trackers all the rest are just for collecting .

but even if the guy is collector, still, not using the accouts its quite ugly and unfair to other members that realy need it
take bitme for ex' , that tracker can be used by progremers and students (I'm student myself) and many members that realy need iy lose it because some of shity collector

I'm new here and till now I've only asked for invites in giveaways.
Before requesting an invite I'm reading the review and really try to guess
if the tracker suits my needs. Till now although I used all the trackers
I was invited one or two of them were really a bad choise and sometime
in the future the account will be inactive. I apologize in advance for that
but when you are new in something you do make mistakes.
The whole system with the giveaways has advantages and disandantages.
But it helps newbies.
The first thing I've learned is that in p2p you have to offer.
So bluelabel (and all the other more experienced users) even
if the most of your invites are going in people they don't use them you have to keep sharing.
Otherwise we the newbies don't really have a chance

Same thing goes for lvl5-10 sites.

People dont realize that a 0day site is a 0day site.

They want them bc they think it is going to be something amazing...and its not, its just another means of downloading.

TBH, you can ask anyone who really knows me on sites and see which sites I download from that are lvl 5 and above on a daily basis.

(none)

Im an uploader at all of them and just have huge upload amounts at them. I am active in the forums and chat too, and I am helping two new sites reach their maximum potential...but to be honest, if you are joining or wanting sites because they are a high level...

Then you are an idiot.


For 0day, if you already have SCC and you are doing fine keeping a ratio there...then you honestly dont need any other 0day sites.

lol

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Originally Posted by take5

I'm new here and till now I've only asked for invites in giveaways.
Before requesting an invite I'm reading the review and really try to guess
if the tracker suits my needs. Till now although I used all the trackers
I was invited one or two of them were really a bad choise and sometime
in the future the account will be inactive. I apologize in advance for that
but when you are new in something you do make mistakes.
The whole system with the giveaways has advantages and disandantages.
But it helps newbies.
The first thing I've learned is that in p2p you have to offer.
So bluelabel (and all the other more experienced users) even
if the most of your invites are going in people they don't use them you have to keep sharing.
Otherwise we the newbies don't really have a chance

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well said.

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Originally Posted by znik

That's true.
A lot of friends I have invited in the past haven't used their accounts as well.

However, the most retarded thing is to giveaway your account when you no longer need it.
I prefer an inactive invitee than someone who gives away his account because he doesn't like it any more.
I always ask my invitees to delete their account if they no longer need it, than give it away to a stranger. :dabs:

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totally agree.we shouldn't give accounts away

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Originally Posted by take5

Before requesting an invite I'm reading the review and really try to guess
if the tracker suits my needs.

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yeah well most of people dont even know what the tracker contents
the only thing they know its the tracker level

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Originally Posted by take5

The first thing I've learned is that in p2p you have to offer.
So bluelabel (and all the other more experienced users) even
if the most of your invites are going in people they don't use them you have to keep sharing.
Otherwise we the newbies don't really have a chance

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keep sharing you say but what happen if I get band??
I want to share but I cannot risk my accounts because some inactive members. I realy want to help but even help has limites.

members that realy need help I will help them. not once I shared my box with members here and help many keep their accounts alive
even if someone I invited use his account and have bad ratio I dont care to seed him little with my box as long he need to use it
how can I say no to student that realy need some books??
but I can do nothing with collectors and inactive members.
its pity that some good guys have to suffer because some stupid members here.

fatcat69 as for you
meet your brother
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/571/lazy20catpg6.jpg

pff i posted that pic a while ago....

but it is good :-D

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Originally Posted by Sylar666

Sadly agree...I do not see any point in further giveaways. Most of my invitees scarcely use their accounts. Let alone, I changed my mind recently on this issue: it is not much better than trading an invite. At the end of the day, even giving the invite "for free" You invite and let in a complete stranger, no matter how decent and charming he appears. And that is a risk - factor.

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100% agree
In fact giveaways are similar to trading..u give away, get rep points, and these help you to get other invites..
I have a lot of invites I could give away, but the more I read those giveaway threads the less I'm motivated to make one myself. 90% of those people requesting are collectors, there's no doubt about it.
I saw people requesting for an indietorrents invite, and they didn't even know what indie means (indian music? blabla).
This whole giveaway sh** is pathetic and I'm glad someone mentions it..
There are exceptions of course!

so how do you expect from new to guys get invites?

Most people that post in giveaways without really wanting it are probably collectors.

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Originally Posted by bluelabel

so how do you expect from new to guys get invites?

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from giveaways too this is how the most of us started u need to make a better rules in ur giveaways guaranty to u u wont invite cheater or inactive user

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Originally Posted by bluelabel

so how do you expect from new to guys get invites?

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I think people who give away should request more than just some screenshots, (for example a lastfm profile for music sites..) and they should be interviewed in irc or msn..
Of course we're all lazy and nobody is gonna do this..
The best way is just to invite RL friends who can be trusted.

thats why I ask for profile links
but you know how it is
people might have some 20+ trackers in very shit condition (inactive/bad ratio) and 2 with good condition
what you think they will put as proofs?? only the 2 trackers with good condition
so you can never know

hm......i also invited some members like this...most of them don't need it...just want to see how it's the site....but maybe you help a good member, maybe you don't...always will exists members like this. is ur chooice if you want to continue or stop! Cheers!

Well, here's my suggestion. If you're giving away an invite to a specialized site, ask the prospect invitee to show proof that he is a member of a similar site and is very active in it.

E.g. For bitme invites, ask for proof/profile link to similar e-learning site like docs.torrents or learnbits; for hdbits invites, ask for hd-bits.ro, scenehd or bit-hdtv. If they have significant downloads in those sites (not uploads since it means they don't really "want" stuffs there but grab one or two file(s) there and seed like hell just to boast their e-penis), they will most likely (but not a guarantee) make good use of the invite.

I think it's senseless if you're inviting someone to bitme and they show their fantastic ratio to a music or movie site. The proof only shows that he is into music/movie but not necessarily into e-learning stuffs. This also applies with respect to HDs since most people find them too large. The prospect invitee should show proof that they are active in a similar HD tracker.

Asking for reason why they "need" an invite to a site is a good way to gauge their sincerity and knowledge about the site they allegedly "need". Imho, ratio proof and speedtest are not good tests whether the user will be active (only good to show he knows how to maintain ratio). In fact, choosing someone on the basis of speedtest alone, as some are in the practice of doing, is lame. High speed is not equal to good seeder, much less active user.

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

Well, here's my suggestion. If you're giving away an invite to a specialized site, ask the prospect invitee to show proof that he is a member of a similar site and is very active in it.

E.g. For bitme invites, ask for proof/profile link to similar e-learning site like docs.torrents or learnbits; for hdbits invites, ask for hd-bits.ro, scenehd or bit-hdtv.

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That makes no sense..why would he need another tracker that specifies in a thing he already has a tracker for?

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

Asking for reason why they "need" an invite to a site is a good way to gauge their sincerity and knowledge about the site they allegedly "need".

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do you realy think that people will see that question and answer "I want it because I'm collector"??
its obvious that people will make up a story
even people that giveaway and write in their rules "no scammers"
thats something I'm never understand
well... what they expect?? that someone enter the thread and write "ohh I scammer so I wont ask for invite but thx anyway"?

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

Imho, ratio proof and speedtest are not good tests whether the user will be active (only good to show he knows how to maintain ratio). In fact, choosing someone on the basis of speedtest alone, as some are in the practice of doing, is lame. High speed is not equal to good seeder, much less active user.

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dont you think people/me ask for speedtest in giveaway???

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Originally Posted by myllian

That makes no sense..why would he need another tracker that specifies in a thing he already has a tracker for?

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Because some specialized trackers have more to offer than others?

While I feel Blue's pain, I also don't think the situation is as dire as people put it out to be. There ARE ways to ensure that you invite the right people. A poster above me mentioned requiring people to state why they really need/want a tracker, and from that request you can often tell if they are sincere and if they know what they are talking about.

My point? Back when OiNK was in service, I invited around seven people, all of whom maintained a ratio of 3+. All you have to do is put a little more time and effort into finding the right people.

And if I take the noobie's side, how on earth am I going to get into a tracker if no one offers them? Then again, there are ways around that too. In fact, I never really got any of my "good" trackers through giveaways. Rather, I got them by asking members here on FST whom I thought were nice people. Being nice can go a long way.

Saying that reminds me of something. And this goes out to all the noobs and the idiots. If you want something, make a well thought out plea for it. Don't do what Blue quoted in his post...asking via one lined sentences that show NOTHING but that you are lazy and don't really care about the tracker you are applying for.

And to all you torrenters who do giveaways, please don't give invites to these people, no matter how good their ratios or speed tests are. Make them work a little to show their true intent.

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Originally Posted by mamacita

And to all you torrenters who do giveaways, please don't give invites to these people, no matter how good their ratios or speed tests are. Make them work a little to show their true intent.

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Exactly. That's actually the only thing we can do about it.

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Originally Posted by SenorBubbz

Most people that post in giveaways without really wanting it are probably collectors.

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Way to go Mr. Obvious! :D

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

Well, here's my suggestion. If you're giving away an invite to a specialized site, ask the prospect invitee to show proof that he is a member of a similar site and is very active in it.

E.g. For bitme invites, ask for proof/profile link to similar e-learning site like docs.torrents or learnbits; for hdbits invites, ask for hd-bits.ro, scenehd or bit-hdtv.

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That makes no sense..why would he need another tracker that specifies in a thing he already has a tracker for?

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I beg to disagree. Let me put some sense to it. Each tracker offers different content. To illustrate, let's take HD for instance, a lot of people wants to get into hdbits.org. To show that they are really into downloading hd stuffs, they must show proof that they are members of similar hd trackers, like hd-bits.ro or scenehd.org. Why would they want to get into hdbits.org if "they already have other trackers that specifies in the same thing" you may ask? It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. More contents. hdbits has 10x more torrents than hd-bits.ro. The invitee has to work his way up. We all started with low-level trackers and work our way up to better ones. A person with bitsoup would someday like to get into TL. You can't say hey, since you already have a similar tracker, there's no sense for you to join TL. :dabs: My point exactly.. :)

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Originally Posted by bluelabel

do you realy think that people will see that question and answer "I want it because I'm collector"??
its obvious that people will make up a story
even people that giveaway and write in their rules "no scammers"
thats something I'm never understand
well... what they expect?? that someone enter the thread and write "ohh I scammer so I wont ask for invite but thx anyway"?

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You are right. I never said it's going to be fool proof. At least, you can know how much he knows about the site, what he is looking for and if that site has what he is looking for.

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

Imho, ratio proof and speedtest are not good tests whether the user will be active (only good to show he knows how to maintain ratio). In fact, choosing someone on the basis of speedtest alone, as some are in the practice of doing, is lame. High speed is not equal to good seeder, much less active user.

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Originally Posted by bluelabel

dont you think people/me ask for speedtest in giveaway???

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Hmm.. you might have misread my post. I never mentioned about you. And yes, I see people only asking for speedtest in a giveaway. No ratio proof. I'm referring to them. :whistling If I have time, I'll show you a link [but I'm going to sleep in a while].

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Originally Posted by myllian

That makes no sense..why would he need another tracker that specifies in a thing he already has a tracker for?

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I beg to disagree. Let me put some sense to it. Each tracker offers different content. To illustrate, let's take HD for instance, a lot of people wants to get into hdbits.org. To show that they are really into downloading hd stuffs, they must show proof that they are members of similar hd trackers, like hd-bits.ro or scenehd.org. Why would they want to get into hdbits.org if "they already have other trackers that specifies in the same thing" you may ask? It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. More contents. hdbits has 10x more torrents than hd-bits.ro. The invitee has to work his way up. We all started with low-level trackers and work our way up to better ones. A person with bitsoup would someday like to get into TL. You can't say hey, since you already have a similar tracker, there's no sense for you to join TL. :dabs: My point exactly.. :)

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ok I think I got it now :D

The problem is, if you're not a member on a site, how can you know if it has the content you're looking for. More content doesn't always mean it's relevant to you.
I think a lot of "requesters" have good intentions, they are just curious.

Yea i think that more people should fill requests. Sometimes I think people do giveaways for attention. Look at it this way, If you fill a request no one knows it and you dont get any credit. But if someone is requesting something they are more likely to actually use it. If you do giveaways everyone see's and you look like a "good guy". But chances are the person you are giving the invites to are probably just collectors.

I think to make this place better we should really start considering requests, especially if the person requesting is a good, up[standing, active member here. Maybe u wont get as noticed, but who cares, we should be here to help people not advertyise our kindness if u can really call it that.

Here's to saying we should defientely give privately to people who really deserve it, not publicly to get good attention for ourselves.

Just my two cents, let me know what u guys th ink

Jon

Giveaways are the same if not worse than trading.

@jonny
I couldn't agree more.
But there again, you have to evaluate.
Here's an example of a request http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...est-tt--276606.
It's honest, and after reading his post history you can see he's really interested in that kind of music. If I had an invite I would send it to him right away.
This request though:
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...ayroreq-279821
NO!

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Yea i think that more people should fill requests. Sometimes I think people do giveaways for attention. Look at it this way, If you fill a request no one knows it and you dont get any credit. But if someone is requesting something they are more likely to actually use it. If you do giveaways everyone see's and you look like a "good guy". But chances are the person you are giving the invites to are probably just collectors.

I think to make this place better we should really start considering requests, especially if the person requesting is a good, up[standing, active member here. Maybe u wont get as noticed, but who cares, we should be here to help people not advertyise our kindness if u can really call it that.

Here's to saying we should defientely give privately to people who really deserve it, not publicly to get good attention for ourselves.

Just my two cents, let me know what u guys th ink

Jon

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fo shizzle my jon nizzle

Well said jonny, well said.

this is why i dont accept invites, i just wouldnt use the account so it would not be fair on the invitee, and i would be taking up 1 slot that a good member would use.

as for giveaways/trading/newbs/blah blah blah here is how i see it.

your a newb, you start on an open tracker, Bitsoup or somewhere, you make a good impression, someone sees you, they give you an invite to another tracker whats a bit harder to get into.

make a good impression there, the inviter will think, hmm prety good member, and invite you to another higher level (grr hate that word but you know what i mean) tracker.

the same goes for the inviter, if they make a good impression, and it looks to the inviter of him that he is inviting good members, then they will invite the inviter to a higher tracker.

its all a knock on effect, you scratch my back and i will scratch yours.

obviously though, if everyone done this, FST Bittorrent section would go out of business lol but i do think the above is the way it "should" be done in an "ideal world".

stoi, I've tried just that at BitSoup and nobody has invited me anywhere since I joined like 4 months ago. That may be partly due to the fact that they don't allow you to even mention another site on there...

I think its easy to suggest, but much different in reality for us noobs who don't have a friend to invite us to some cool trackers. I think friends + trading is where a lot of invites go rather than being given away to some random person like myself.

well maybe you have not made a good enough impression lol

i think the main problem is, members tend to forget their roots, they forget where they had to start from, so as soon as they get a lvl 4-5 or more, they never ever go back to places like bitsoup to keep the ball rolling, which in turn tends to have another knock on effect for members like you, who are trying to "get up the ladder" for want of a better term.