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Is there a difference in the quantity of releases and speed? Are people with usenet axx missing out on a lot of releases or is it the other way around? I don't have any high level trackers but I do subscribe to newsgroups so I'd like to know what the deal is :huh:. Also, I'm referring to 0-day trackers not ones like SweDVDR and E.
As far as I know some trackers get releases faster than Usenet.
Advantages of torrents trackers
-They get releases faster (But maybe by hrs of difference or perhaps minutes in some cases)
-You probably don't have to pay for it
Advantages of Usenet
-Secure connections
-Most likely faster speeds
-No ratio to worry about
-mmmm like 100000x more content
In my book Usenet is better. You get what you pay for.
I prefer Torrents, Usenet is no fun is just simply downloading. With a high level torrent site, a great community is also present. Also I seem to get the same speeds in torrents as Usenet.
Totally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranquill
Stick to torrents.
Alright i've been in Newsgroups for a like months, i just tricked them
by using a couple of trial accounts dl like GB's of stuff and yeah it's good coz you don't have to share... but it's kind of stupid in a way... where are the people no community and shit ???... and well content always get there later than a few places i know in torrent...
So definetely TORRENT is the way >>>
And Rapidshare is also good and there are a few nice friendly communities sharing good stuff around as well...
Most people (like me) could care less about a "community".Quote:
Originally Posted by $SnoopDo2G$
I want files, not a social movement. :ermm:
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Originally Posted by Skizo
Yeah me too but i like gettin' stuff with the comment of the uploader,
not dl stuff from a robot or some server like a stranger...:blink:
I agree with u :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranquill
The same NFO comes with the download no matter which method you use.Quote:
Originally Posted by $SnoopDo2G$Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Yeah me too but i like gettin' stuff with the comment of the uploader,
not dl stuff from a robot or some server like a stranger...:blink:
Also, there are plenty of NZB sites such as FST where comments can be left in a similar fashion.
FST is a social movement. Glad you could care less about us. :snooty: Jerk.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizoMost people (like me) could care less about a "community".Quote:
Originally Posted by $SnoopDo2G$
I want files, not a social movement. :ermm:
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Originally Posted by SkizoMost people (like me) could care less about a "community".Quote:
Originally Posted by $SnoopDo2G$
I want files, not a social movement. :ermm:
i agree with you a 100%:yup:
amen brother:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JUSTAGUYQuote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
i agree with you a 100%:yup:
I'm DefX and I approve this messageQuote:
Originally Posted by SkizoTotally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tranquill
Stick to torrents.
Um, BS? Usenet has tens of thousands of communities, you know, the ORIGINAL purpose which is still used. It's DESIGNED for text posting, and doesn't support binaries directly. So if you ever bother, you can open your newsreader and join the fun! I don't know why you prefer bittorrent, but don't use lack of community as an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefXI'm DefX and I approve this messageQuote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
What is usenet axx?
Usenet and Torrents both have their pros and cons.
i have never used newsgroups if my country had paypal i would definatly prefer newsgroups over torrents,
i used to buy wares in my country but the quality of movies are pretty bad but i never used to waste a lot of time in front of comp,now that i think about it ,it was lot better then what i am doing now but luckily i have a lot of spare time since i flunked in college this year
most of the guys who talk everything about community and all that junk on FST are hardly active members of the torrent forums especially if its a low level tracker.....and i think about only 20% of total torrent users are regular posters in a torrent forum,
i just need to...."watch all the possible movies ,play all the possible games, get all the softwares i want and listen to the songs i want".....with the least amount of money...i am not here to make friendship happen ...
in torrents i have to worry about
ratios ,
trading and anti-trading crap,
signing up to 20 different trackers to access a large spectrum of data and keeping them active,
and then make sure who i give out my invites to,the invite which i earned for having good ratios
making sure i get those invites i want from the right person,
and when one of the accounts get disabled because i trade i would feel emotional about the account i lost since i would have spent so much time on that account,that doesnt mean i would stop trading,i believe in trading its those anti-traders who have to change the way they think.
if all of the above is not enough when these torrent sites get shut down in order to get invited to new torrent sites make sure i am active enough on the forums that some one would consider me worthy enough to be trusted for an invite....like any number of invite to any torrent site would mean anything in anyones life
if me spending a few bucks would ensure me to peacefully download what i want without having to worry about anything ,i would be more then happy
if i had a choice i would prefer truth over lies and newsgroups over any high level torrent site.
Um, you're barking at the wrong tree? :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by mbucari1Um, BS? Usenet has tens of thousands of communities, you know, the ORIGINAL purpose which is still used. It's DESIGNED for text posting, and doesn't support binaries directly. So if you ever bother, you can open your newsreader and join the fun! I don't know why you prefer bittorrent, but don't use lack of community as an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefX
What the fuck does that mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefXUm, you're barking at the wrong tree? :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by mbucari1
Mbucari1 is right, his point pertinent. This thread is called 'Newsgroups vs high level trackers'.
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Further, usenet was around way before private BT trackers. It predates them by some twenty years and releases of apps, TV programs, and the latest films traditionally go to usenet first. It's always been the way. Usenet and its numerous groups, has many, many more uploaders than any private torrent site. Fact.
Now I'm not saying that some BT trackers don't have uploaders that cap TV shows or crack programs and release them exclusively to the site but usenet is the place for getting releases first.
You have to know the right groups, of course, but once you've got your favourite groups entrenched in your newsreader of choice, you'll find everything you need and will be able to download it faster than if you relied on your private tracker.
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Originally Posted by mankerWhat the fuck does that mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefX
Mbucari1 is right, his point pertinent. This thread is called 'Newsgroups vs high level trackers'.
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Further, usenet was around way before private BT trackers. It predates them by some twenty years and releases of apps, TV programs, and the latest films traditionally go to usenet first. It's always been the way. Usenet and its numerous groups, has many, many more uploaders than any private torrent site. Fact.
Now I'm not saying that some BT trackers don't have uploaders that cap TV shows or crack programs and release them exclusively to the site but usenet is the place for getting releases first.
You have to know the right groups, of course, but once you've got your favourite groups entrenched in your newsreader of choice, you'll find everything you need and will be able to download it faster than if you relied on your private tracker.
It means you two are telling me facts I already know and cherish in NGs. It means he's preaching to the wrong person. That's what I fucking mean.
Skizo was obviously using sarcasm in his original reply and I merely seconded it.
You're obviously confusing it with barking up the wrong tree. That's what I fucking meant. Your English sucks. I followed the sarcasm theme and then posted some information for the filesharing community to revel in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefXQuote:
Originally Posted by manker
It means you two are telling me facts I already know and cherish in NGs. It means he's preaching to the wrong person. That's what I fucking mean.
Skizo was obviously using sarcasm in his original reply and I merely seconded it.
See, we're not telling you. At least I wasn't, I used a post separator because I felt that a thread about the differences between NGs and BT should contain info for people to make their minds up which method to choose.
Rather than mods taking the pish out of members.
That sort of stuff is better left in the lounge, n'est pas?
Newsgroups are mainly for file downloading.
Private trackers are mainly for file-trading.
It has both pros and cons, but for me the actual leeched files are somewhat
secondary compared to the spirit of file-trading - it's a personal question too.
Silly me. I committed a typo on a commonly used idiom. Forgive me manker for making your ears cringe every time I commit a sacrilege upon your beautiful language.Quote:
Originally Posted by mankerYou're obviously confusing it with barking up the wrong tree. That's what I fucking meant. Your English sucks. I followed the sarcasm theme and then posted some information for the filesharing community to revel in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DefX
See, we're not telling you. At least I wasn't, I used a post separator because I felt that a thread about the differences between NGs and BT should contain info for people to make their minds up which method to choose.
Rather than mods taking the pish out of members.
That sort of stuff is better left in the lounge, n'est pas?
My take on this matter is that the more people that are turned off from NG's, the less heat it will garner from the authorities. That's why I said what I said. Though I still consider myself a NG noob so I don't know how valid that argument is.
Usenet access ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DasFox
Like you have a usually paid account to enter the world of usenet.. and leech off high-speed servers..
i dont think dasfox is actually asking a question, he's merely trying to prove a fact that usenet is not a community b/c people do have to buy axx to be able to download so essentially using usenet is more like paying a private gym membership as oppose to working out at local ymca, but in response to his argument.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SonnentierUsenet access ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DasFox
Like you have a usually paid account to enter the world of usenet.. and leech off high-speed servers..
You dont necessarily have to pay for premium usenet account in order to be able to join the actual the communities that are available on usenet, your isp actually already included that axx "free of charge" along w/ the service that you've subscribed to. however, if you planning to use that communities for a different intention, let say as a mean to acquire shit that u want, you have to cough up some more bucks for a premium acc that will let u do that. in regards to torrents, the same thing would probably be called seedboxes or servers - come on torrent folks do not say you bought axx to vectoral just for the sake of it, i know you guys did that so you could move up within the ladde-
now, in regards to stitched made,if he actually stating what his belief- and not trying to be sarcastic at all- it is quite interesting to actually see the numbers of torrent users who are actually seeding the file because he wanted to maintain their communities as opposed to just seeding file to maintain his ratio so that he wont be kicked out of those high level trackers, or actually be able to enter one, b/c if they actually seed based on intention no 1, surely there will be lot more files that are circulating w/in torrent community
WHAT DO YOU THINK DASFOX??
Well I got my seedbox initially for the sake of it, to improve infrastructure.
But now that I have it, it's true I also use it a lot to get up the ladder, to improve ratios and such.
But that's also because those noobs are usually so unthankfull and don't even leave a line after getting 100Mbit stream.
They usually don't even seed back properly, so if you meant the seedbox should help low-level torrenting, this is like giving away money for free :/
But no I think you meant more that we should help the variety of files within the private trackers. Well, seeding back is always easier than adding content on your own, which is still much easier than ripping yourself. I always try to help file availability, but older files are usually so unasked that the motivation sinks rapidly. Somehow torrents can also be compared to redirected, buffered broadcasting. Imagine there is a ball-lightning rushing, and you ricochet it over there, then here again, right through the torrent scene.. and after some time the lightning has vanished and so has the shining where it passed.
I'm not sure if this is the topic you meant by more files should circulate?
Ahh axx an abbreviation, hehe, ok. ;)
Well I'm a old Usenet geek, and one of the simplest ways to look for what you want is like a NZB search engine like Newzbin. Before Newzbin was around I use to subscribe to groups and download headers and dig this way.
We all know how you look for torrents on a private tracker now right? hehe :)
The thing is, what I meant by Pros and Cons are, you're not always going to find what you are looking for on Usenet or a Tracker.
On Usenet if it's not there you are going to have to subscribe to one of the groups and make a request, and typically if you are dealing with something fairly new and popular, someone will fill that request.
Now on the community side of things if you subscribe to Newsgroups and look around in them for the things you want this way you can get to know others there, because I have seen the same people year after year uploading to the groups and people make post replies back and forth to one another, similar to like being on a forum making posts, so there can be a bit of community going on in a newsgroup, it just depends on that group is all.
I have RoadRunner as my ISP and I get great download speeds and so for free it's awesome, but granted if I were to pay, and I use to have an account with Newshosting.com then I get faster speeds, but if you have a good ISP, then you can get good speeds then.
So if your ISP gives you good Usenet axx for free and you're on some torrent trackers then you've got a good mix of both worlds.
PEACE :)
I always forget about my ISP access to newsgroups. I get like 1-2GB per month, not much, but its something at least... I pay for usenet access for unlimited though through another provider. I like using both torrent sites and newsgroups, both have unique content IMO, although a lot of the content can be found on both, or requested on both. The thing I like about torrents is the content specific sites, you get older, more rare content on these trackers (non scene stuff too), and a lot of it would be hard to come by elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by DasFox
For those of you saying usenet has no community, have you ever connected to EFNet? lol
There are huge usenet channels on irc, where people talk to each other, fill/request stuff etc... Seriously though, where else would the community be? usenet hasn't got its own forum or anything. Oh and I think that most of the people posting here saying torrents are better, have never even tried usenet... So unless you have tried it, don't bother posting. If you have tried usenet and still prefer bittorrent, thats your opinion :)
I myself prefer usenet/newsgroups, i think they are much better than bittorrent.
Bittorrent:
Alot of fake torrents (unless on private tracker)
Private trackers often hard to get into
Must seed back what you download
Most people can't keep a decent ratio, meaning they need to pay lots of money for a seedbox
Content on private trackers is often very limited, scene releases only
Speeds on public trackers are usually crap
Unless it is very popular, a torrent will die out fairly quickly.
Swarm can get stuck and no one finishes downloading
Shows your IP to everyone on the torrent, RIAA or anyone can easily see your leeching/seeding
Trackers tend to die alot or are just generally overloaded
Easier than UseNet
May have some stuff unavailable anywhere else
Stuff you might not be able to find anywhere else (sometimes get very rare stuff)
Encryption available
UseNet/NewsGroups:
Not as much fake posts
No need to keep a ratio, leech as much as your package allows (most have unlimited)
Depending on your usenet server, you can reach speeds of over 100Mbit constantly
Retention is high enough, 100-120 days on most servers, 200 on GigaNews
Gets new stuff fairly fast, though will take a while to be indexed by SuperSearch and NZB Sites
Alot of home rips, not just scene releases
Posts you might not be able to find anywhere else (sometimes get very rare stuff posted)
Secure, you download from one server so your IP is hidden
Encryption Available
Most likely will cost money for access to a decent server
:shifty:
Says torrentguy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by torrentguy
I don't know how people can preffer torrents expecpt if they can't afford usenet. Like torrentguy said. No ratio to worry about, no slow connections. All downloads have the same speed. You must have premium access obviously. up to 200 days of retention and even then many things are reposted before that. Huge amounts of requests are filled daily. Usenet is more secure. You'll find so much more content.
I have tried both and ATM I only use torrents for things I can't find on usenet. Yeah community would be found on IRC channels and there are also some forums out there for usenet discussion. Like Skizo says though. "I'm not looking for a community" I just want to pirate stuff so I care about content and speed.
That's often the image of newsleechers ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by saulin
And for me the file-trading is more important than the most efficient way to pirate stuff.
But yeah if you want files fast then get Rapidshare for http stream or Usenet access for the ocean of data.
After all, Usenet is a very good resource.
u cant compare newsgroups with trackers like TL , ScT , ScL , iplay , FTN etc , which are Giants in Packs and pre-times...
and above all they have got some very nice communities too , like TL ...
and they are FREE , and we get satisfaction by seed back to the community ,..
and remember its not all about getting stuff , its about SHARING and CARING , when we talk about good places like i mention ,
and in newsgroups u go just for leech , and u cant expect great packs that the pearls i mentioned above ( specially iplay . ScL ) do have , iplay has a movies pack of about 475 GB ( i think about science fiction movies )
Actually the topic was trying to compare high level trackers with usenet. Well lets start with packs. I don't think many people will download a movie pack that is over 20 gigs complete. They will just download what they like. Packs are used as ratio builders. I have never downlaoded a full movie pack. I have downloaded full seasons of a show though.
I preffer DVDs over DivX movies as well and guess what. Probably the best DVD-R tracker is swebits which has open slots every day. I have some high level trackers and never use them much because it's a pain in the ass to seed so many gigs back and it hurts your ratio when you want to download a lot. I rather use trackers like TL where is easier to seed back.
If you like to share. Well anyone can upload to newsgroups as well. There are tons of requests to be filled as well. In top torrent sites only certain people can upload and really not everything is well seeded. People only seed stuff that they think they can use to build their ratio. Usenet has thousands of discussion groups as well. The community is huge.
I think a few people already pointed out some of the key points for torrents and newsgroups.
Torrents
pros
-Registration is usually free
-Better community?
-You can find some unique content
cons
-Hard to get into the top torrent sites
-Not everything will download at fast speeds
Usenet
Pros
-Everything is full speed (Must have premium access)
-With so many groups the content is simply more than you can handle
-Very long retention (Must have premium access)
-You can find some unique content
Cons
-It costs money
Well there is so much to be said about both and yeah it depends on what you are looking for but I mean I see people paying for seedboxes so they can stay alive in the torrent community. I never had to do that and if I have to pay for a seedbox in order to seed back I much rather just pay for premium usenet access.
Oh yeah I do use rapidshare as well and I gatta say the speed is great but I haven't found a good web site that tracks rapidshare releases like torrent trackers do. At leats no one that has free open registrations but Rapidshare is sweet for pr0n.
seeing that you did not bother at all to take into consideration or probably even read all the infos that being said in previous posts, i have to agree w/ the comment that skizo said earlierQuote:
Originally Posted by maanu
STICK TO TORRENTS
:rolleyes:
In Newsgroups there are top-uploaders and many leechers.
The majority is usually not leet enough to be a top-uploader often.
With torrents, also the usual user can seed back what he got.
This creates a united experience where people send to each other.
Newsgroups ? What newsgroups there is no such thing!
i think that torrents is the best options so far
Hey like I've always said, "The More The Merrier" :)
Don't diss Usenet, don't diss torrents, just use both if your ISP gives you free Usenet access.
When you can't find what you're looking for on one try the other, at least now you have twice the chance, and more selections....
PEACE
long live torrents , newsgroup sucks big time..
I agree with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizoMost people (like me) could care less about a "community".Quote:
Originally Posted by $SnoopDo2G$
I want files, not a social movement. :ermm: