Would you vote to bring about a system whereby every human being must submit DNA and make this system adherent to your children?
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Would you vote to bring about a system whereby every human being must submit DNA and make this system adherent to your children?
Discuss.
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no! :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
me either
Well that's a good job, then coz hoo the feck would want your DNA unless it was to reproduce spastics, like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5no! :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
I would have no problem with details of my DNA structure being held on a database. I see no reason to object to it.
I would strongly object as it's my DNA and not theirs.
I shall do with it as I please. :snooty:
I wouldn't either, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
However, the grey area seeps in when this is imposed. It has to be a voluntary affair.
Shirley, the only inalienable human right is the right to with-hold parts of your body.
We leave traces of skin and DNA wherever we go. I dare say in the future there will come a time when the technology exists to read it by simply wafting a DNA wand. A person could be linked to any location by reference to a central computer database.
A bit brave new worldish :dabs:
No specific objections but one hell of a tool in the wrong hands.
i already have submitted my DNA, cunts. :dry:
Brave New Worldish not to mention 1984ish and other such dystopias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
But moreishly so.
On a positive note,
It could solve the age old, male oedipus paranoia of;
is that my child.
Oui.
It could resolve some issues.
There goes the screening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
Warning, infertile ones.
i've never failed a screening, i don't smoke or take drugs.
If the government wants to hold records of my DNA, fingerprints, retinal scans and anything else which can identify me I have no problem with it. Why would I.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaliceI wouldn't either, mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
However, the grey area seeps in when this is imposed. It has to be a voluntary affair.
Shirley, the only inalienable human right is the right to with-hold parts of your body.
I think it's a genuinely small price to pay to make it easier to identify rapists, paedophiles, murderers and students.
What if your just a bit naughty and none of those harsh things. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
don't worry its not gonna happen anytime soon.
I'm not sure, what did you have in mind. :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by benchezWhat if your just a bit naughty and none of those harsh things. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
On that point, the argument exists that if everyone who fancied himself a decent person, submitted their DNA voluntarily, then it would narrow down investigations and so assist the proceedings without the need for a universal database.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP FugleyIf the government wants to hold records of my DNA, fingerprints, retinal scans and anything else which can identify me I have no problem with it. Why would I.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
I think it's a genuinely small price to pay to make it easier to identify rapists, paedophiles, murderers and students.
Assuming, of course, that human beings are decent.
nobodys perfect. :snooty: ...except the queen and a few others.
I participate in the odd activity that isn't seen as strictly legal and I may leave some DNA behind :unsure: . So with this proposed new system, I would worry that every time I lit up a spliff (Or chucked a roach away) someone would arrest the fuck out of me. Or that they could if they felt like it. :pinch:
I don't want to go in to any more detail. :emo: :fear:
every fucking body.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
Again, no problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaliceOn that point, the argument exists that if everyone who fancied himself a decent person, submitted their DNA voluntarily, then it would narrow down investigations and so assist the proceedings without the need for a universal database.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
However I would make it compulsory and would also take samples from new-borns to save any hassle. Tho' that might not work as they wouldn't be registered yet.
So I might have to make the registration of birth thing happen at birth or as soon as reasonably practicable thereafter.
Having the Registrar there might not be entirely practical. Wouldn't want to invade anyone's privacy or out.
stoners like you should be the first to get DNA tested, anally.Quote:
Originally Posted by ITS
I'd give my DNA if she just asked.
I'd get arrested for something I don't agree is a crime. :emo:
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Originally Posted by benchez
anyway a couple of roaches ain't exactly crime of the century, The cops wouldn't search DNA to find the dope user, thats a waste of money and time.
possession of cannabis is nothing.
but if you re-offend they start getting more abusive/serious.
I can reasonably accept that stance, but I can't get over the essential 'branding' which it inevitability implies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP FugleyAgain, no problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
However I would make it compulsory and would also take samples from new-borns to save any hassle. Tho' that might not work as they wouldn't be registered yet.
So I might have to make the registration of birth thing happen at birth or as soon as reasonably practicable thereafter.
Having the Registrar there might not be entirely practical. Wouldn't want to invade any one's privacy or out.
I can accept that monsters exist but I don't think I should prove that I'm not one of them.
How is it asking you to prove that. I can't even begin to understand that argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaliceI can reasonably accept that stance, but I can't get over the essential 'branding' which it inevitability implies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
I can accept that monsters exist but I don't think I should prove that I'm not one of them.
i think chalice disagrees with compulsory DNA testing for non criminals.
I understand that but I don't understand how it is asking anyone to disprove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
For one thing, errors occur in labs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP FugleyHow is it asking you to prove that. I can't even begin to understand that argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
Just as innocent men have been hung in jails, mistakes will be made in DNA analyses. Human error will win out.
No fucking doubt, I am somewhat inept in this debate but the fundamental withstands.
Nobody can force you to relinquish your corpus forcibly.
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Originally Posted by Mr JP FugleyI understand that but I don't understand how it is asking anyone to disprove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
explain what you don't understand again? I'm slightly lost.
You'd have to ask Chalice that, he was the one who made the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
explain what you don't understand again? I'm slightly lost.
Oh you are one of these chaps who believes that if there is a DNA database then that will become the only way crime is investigated. Fair do's, I see your point then.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaliceFor one thing, errors occur in labs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
Just as innocent men have been hung in jails, mistakes will be made in DNA analyses. Human error will win out.
I agree, I think "Lab errors" could be used as an excuse by the police when they want to convict an innocent person using DNA tests. that doesnt make much sense though. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
I think you may have lost your mind there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5I agree, I think "Lab errors" could be used as an excuse by the police when they want to convict an innocent person using DNA tests. that doesnt make much sense though. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
It'll prolly turn up eventually :dabs:
agreed. Im just saying that the police can use DNA testing to convict innocent people or criminals like chalice and benchez for instance.
Allen, do you have any fucking idea what the fuck you are actually talking about or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5I agree, I think "Lab errors" could be used as an excuse by the police when they want to convict an innocent person using DNA tests. that doesnt make much sense though. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice