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In relation to past experience, it is most likely he will become the president.
It would be predictably sadly absurdly a usain cliché.
I hate cliches
(as a non resident, non usain, you may thank me for giving a shit).
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/loca...ma_mccain.jpeg
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Hopefully a Yank will comment but with the news we're getting here make it seem like Americans really want a change in direction.
Long time til the actual vote but predictions are a Democratic landslide.
Can I get a brief summary of what McCain will do if he wins, and what Obama will do if he wins? :huh: Like, sincerely - What does each of them offer to the public of the US and the world in general?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...1/1130840.aspx
quick google search because i'm interested as well- not from the US hence quite unawares about the whole democratic vs republic debate and how each party's way of thinking affects the rest of the world.
Posted this in the wrong thread initially because I'm so freaking awesome.
I do see McCain as another Bush. I believed Hillary to be the most progressive candidate, but it looks like I'm going Barrack.
McCain isn't another Bush but it's going to be difficult to distance himself from that perception especially since the Obama camp will be clearly trying to show that he is.
I used to admire Hillary more but she got too desperate to win and used some very negative campaigning to try to turn the tide back in her favor.
I still like her better than Barack though .He just feels artificial to me.
They recently showed some clips comparing him to Bobby Kennedy.He paled in comparison.Kennedy spoke with real passion Obama only delivers lines well.
Still I'd take him over McCain(or most conservatives) any day of the week.
I'm not sure where you're receiving your predictions, but we're a country divided and pretty evenly. Neither party will win by a landslide. Mark my words on that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
As for the voting trends, it's just too bad there are people don't take the time to look at candidate records.
On social issues, he's more to the left than that many of the Democratic Senate members. That's why he's having a tough time getting the staunch Republican vote. The only things he is conservative on is defense and economics. You look at education, health care, immigration, etc... he's a liberal Democrat, without question.
As someone who lives just a few hours from the southern border, I know I've been more than upset by his stance on immigration and amnesty for illegals. by joining with Ted Kennedy who has the dubious honor of being tagged the "most liberal senator", he showed his lack of respect for the view of the strong majority of Americans who want a secure border and for illegals to respect our laws and abide by them. Amnesty has already been given twice before, ffs!
Also, his stance on 'torture' as a former pow, he should know the difference between humiliation and torture. this was upsetting to me and many others also. I don't advocate torture but humiliations is a great tool to acquire needed Intel that will and has saved hundreds of lives.
We should have learned from history that appeasement is not effective nor does it work to deter a tyrant who is bent on destroying us and others, especially those who do it in the name of "God" and view death as a reward and not a punishment or something to fear.
If elected, I hope he will respect the desires and wishes of the majority of American rather than take the Dems' attitude that they know best for us even when we don't and will do as they please rather than listen to the people.
So who are you voting for, oh mighty Texan of ours?
Predictions of a Democrat sweep were widely reported here.Doesn't make it true though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
I agree that McCain is a very liberal Republican and that he will need the conservatives in his corner to win.
I like economic conservatism by the way I hate the liberal idea that throwing money around will fix any situation..Ted Kennedy ,with all due respect to his present situation, I could live without.
If you don't like open immigration(I'm against it myself,but hey I'm not some poor soul looking for a better life)I suggest you never move to Canada.
Got to disagree with you on the torture bit.Who knows better than McCain what is acceptable treatment of hostiles?
What they do at Gitmo is against the Geneva Convention and is stuff like waterboarding only humiliation?.Hey I'm all for finding these terrorist's and ridding the Earth of every single one but if you take prisoners certain rules must apply(I think the answer might lie in taking fewer prisoners:whistling).
Just a few of my thoughts because like it or not what happenings in American politics effects the whole world.
Vishnu shall be elected, with Osama as vice.
^Agreed 190% there with Idol. I don't know who you think you are, Skizo, but I'm pretty sure you haven't had more experience than McCain AFA hardcore torture. I'd presume he'll know more about torture/humiliation than yourself.
And keep in mind that the more these "humiliation" tactics as you so politically correctly call them are used, the more angered the fundamentalist muslims will become, and the more arguments the US are giving in their favour. You don't treat dirt with dirt. A cardinal rule. There have to be other methods. This is the damn 21st century goddamn it! The most robust democracy in the world condones this kind of bs? Not acceptable.
Hillary's site confuses me.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/home/?splash=1
Does she want people to support Obama, or, since she still wants campaign contributions, is that a cunning ruse?
http://www.236.com/news/2008/06/06/h..._spee_7002.php
i confess i watch a lot of news. the quoted polls i see usually indicate obama ahead of mccain by ~5%. it goes up and down, but i don't think mccain has ever really been viewed as being ahead.
mccain isn't conservative enough for some republicans, but barack is also the 'most liberal senator.' it's basically a tie, and that's just the popular vote, which of course doesn't really matter.
i personally hope obama wins. mccain is old, confessed he can't use a computer, won't end iraq, and plain awkward.
McCain doesn't need to be "conservative enough".
Liberal as he is, he's leaps and bounds closer to conservative views than Obama and that gets him those votes. He's the RNC nominee for crying out loud.
I'm not really making any predictions this election at all.... it's just going to be too close.
It's interesting because whoever gets in it is perceived as a new regime, even though McCain and Bush are of the same party.
It'd be an optimistic observer this side of the Atlantic who would expect the same party to be re-elected in the current financial climate.
Do non-Americans really keep up with American politics?
Not I, really, anymore. I don't think it can get any worse, realistically.
Except for sometimes reading merkins blithering on about it in forum threads, and that's to do with boredom on my part.
@hairbautt- I try to keep myself slightly informed because ultimately the US still being the super powerhouse of the global economy means that their decisions have a massive flow on effect.
You've killed logic AND grammar in one fell swoop.Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%
Bravo.
I do my best,
however i do not see how i killed logic and grammar in one fell swoop.
Could you fix it so it does not kill logic and grammar, so i may see my failings.
Thank you in advance.
Impressive, a Republican woman VP? I'm not speaking of the individual, just the gender, who generally are better than men in their genuine care for others and the planet. But so too, Democrats are generally better than Republicans in their genuine care for others and the planet. Obama's pick for vice president is a much better choice than McCain's pick of Sarah Palin.
On what grounds?
do you really dont know :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
it used to be unconditional loyalty to "Israel", dont think because obama has Hossain as middle name anything would change specially when he has BARAK as 1st name.
Was wondering when you'd pop in for a chat on this matter.. How you doin'? :)
Now down to business - To keep it simple - The US are loyal to Israel just as the Russians are loyal to a bunch of the Arabs.
The Russians sell ammunition to Iran, Syria and whatnot, the US sell ammunition to us.. Where's the problem? Actually, I'm not sure you'd be surfing the net with your uber-l33t PC and driving a car and working at a bank (that IS where you still work, isn't it? :) ) if it weren't for US dosh.. So quit whining about their foreign policies - Their money, their rules.. That's how it works nowadays.
I Vishnu a Merry Christmas :b3ta:
And a Hari new year.Quote:
Originally Posted by benchez
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:lol: kwalitee
except Russian have political interest in those countries and US has just Jews Lobby pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
US Dosh??
The only thing we may benefit from US is neutralization, as you know US has a old policy of "River side's"(either your are with me or against me), good example was IRAQ and is IRAN and Syria, their against america so US is trying all its best to screw with their economy. Unlike douchebage like Bush we have strong and visionary leaders whom made what UAE is now, Infect as i said before American people are so keen to find opportunity to fly DUBAI, just have look here how British/American are living here.
McCain may be old but with age comes wisdom, McCain has been in Senate for almost 30 years as opposed to Obamas 3 years in Senate. Obama only served 141 days in Senate before taking off for the campaign trail. Plus, McCain is a veteran and has proven his character after being held against his will as a POW for five long years, including 3 years of solitary confinement and withstood torture tactics. We should be embracing this sort of character instead of looking for reasons to doubt somebody that has already proven he is heads above most of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by lee551
Obama was a pot head and that fact seems to be overlooked or even supported by many of Obamas supporters. This is a man who was off ripping a bong while McCain was being tortured. Now I ask you who has greater character and more experiece to run a country?
What political experience does Obama have? What major pushes in Seante has he helped to head up? Obama has no business in trying to run country or a war.
The supporters flocking to see Barack give his inspirational speeches would never in a million years be able to tolerate the conditions that McCain endured. If this nation is to once again be a great nation, willing to sacrifice, we will need to embrace the famous words of JFK, "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." The men and women in the armed forces over generations have done their part to do for this country. They have proven to be a cut above the rest.
I'm assuming that's how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaPistola
Unless it's Hogan's Heroes of course.:whistling
"You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!!,"Quote:
Originally Posted by LaPistolaMcCain may be old but with age comes wisdom, McCain has been in Senate for almost 30 years as opposed to Obamas 3 years in Senate. Obama only served 141 days in Senate before taking off for the campaign trail. Plus, McCain is a veteran and has proven his character after being held against his will as a POW for five long years, including 3 years of solitary confinement and withstood torture tactics. We should be embracing this sort of character instead of looking for reasons to doubt somebody that has already proven he is heads above most of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by lee551
Obama was a pot head and that fact seems to be overlooked or even supported by many of Obamas supporters. This is a man who was off ripping a bong while McCain was being tortured. Now I ask you who has greater character and more experiece to run a country?
What political experience does Obama have? What major pushes in Seante has he helped to head up? Obama has no business in trying to run country or a war.
The supporters flocking to see Barack give his inspirational speeches would never in a million years be able to tolerate the conditions that McCain endured. If this nation is to once again be a great nation, willing to sacrifice, we will need to embrace the famous words of JFK, "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." The men and women in the armed forces over generations have done their part to do for this country. They have proven to be a cut above the rest.
This is true but when you look at the fact that McCain has been in Senate about 25 years longer than Obama, and Obama is a former pot head who makes light of that fact, who do you think is more qualified to be the next president?Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
Is this the same "character" he exercised whilst ditching his first wife and three kids to chase after the much younger and far wealthier Cindy?Quote:
Originally Posted by LaPistola
Yeah.
Thought so.
A few spliffs or even bongs for that matter does not a pothead make.
I should know, I've been monged out for about 20 years. Not saying I could be leader of the Western world, just that I get by quite well.
Hmm...curious about your thoughts on GW Bush, who was quite the party boy himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaPistola
mcCain is bush at least his beliefs and another rich son of a bitch trying to take care of the other rich son of a bitch's
Who says he's rich just because he can't remember exactly how many homes he has.Quote:
Originally Posted by weenden
i can remember how many i own
On that note... How many people thought it funny that while Sarah Palin was introducing herself, McCain was ogling her rack?Quote:
Originally Posted by clockerIs this the same "character" he exercised whilst ditching his first wife and three kids to chase after the much younger and far wealthier Cindy?Quote:
Originally Posted by LaPistola
Yeah.
Thought so.
That simply shows his good judgment.
To quote LaPistola:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
"With age comes wisdom".