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I got some "strong" feedbacks from traders that FST stuff especially "Detale" is reporting user's IP to the trackers like SCT and so on. This is just an advice to traders,if FST is doing hunting why the hell there is a trading section here? Close it. To Anti-trader assholes,GTFU and dont participate to this thread.
you're the asshole since you hide like a rat when you want to make a trade...
That is a good question. This must be a trap :(
traders should know their shit instead pointing the finger at detale or other people.
they should know about the big amount of "undercover" tracker staff that lurks around here, and that has a lot of connects to way too many users, that will snitch on them.
i can say that i've reported some threads here to tracker staff at several places that resulted in bans across several sites. and i can bet that a lot more here would do the same.
you have no idea how in 75% of the cases it is easy to track where the trade happened, with a little effort.
So, stop pointing them the finger. if you don't like them, better tell that instead come here and start accusing them without evidences.
besides FST primes for being a place for everyone, and that's why some of the trackers hate this place, so what would be the logic in giving away ips from here?
you know squat.
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to answer your question, fst staff often protect traders and also warn "non traders" who flame in trading section so i doubt they report users to trackers... it wouldn't make sense...
Well, as much as I wish they did report IPs, it is highly unlikely. Why would they allow trading if they were going to report it...You answered your question as you asked it. Would be a trap and it would have been sniffed out long before your crappy post.
A crappy post quoting a crappy post about a crappy post.Quote:
Originally Posted by bumrocks
Anyway, unless someone is a real dick I'm guessing they don't report IP's. Or if just just plain old don't like someone maybe.
Post under your real username here first if you really want to be taken seriously, hiding behind a new user just shows that you don't want to stand by what you are saying. Detale in particular defends traders and has admitted he was a trader in the past, so this point is moot unless you have some proof. Second of all if you actually talked to tracker staff you would know how much trading sections like the one here piss them off, or the simple fact that virtually none of the tracker staff even post here since the removal of comm rep status should show you that this is false. Thirdly this is such a huge forum with relatively few active staff, there is little chance that they would even have the time to do this let alone the inclination.Quote:
Originally Posted by creazz
Traders are hunted by tracker staff, since it is a breach of the rules of the trackers, some are far more active about tracking trades than others while some trackers allow trading of invites at least as a way of gaining new members.
The majority of traders who are 'caught' either do something dumb which makes their memberships obvious and then the trackers pool the info or they piss off fellow members who then out them like sweetiepie/lyndsay <3/the hobbit whose multiple memberships and a/c's upset alot of fellow traders.
Saying however that FST provides IP addresses of traders just doesn't take into account just what a huge task this would actually be, so why someone would do this when it would actively hurt the forum is beyond me, if it were proved, they would be staff for roughly as long as it would take RealitY to ban their ass, staff or not.
LOL this is funny. I'm sure someone else will come along and delete this thread but I will ask that they don't please.I've said this before and I'll say it again. If you can offer some real proof of this by all means post it here and I will quit on the spot. Otherwise stop trying to start shit.
Traders, I don't agree with what you do but you have my word that you are safe here. My personal feelings on the matter have nothing to do with me protecting the members of FST anyway I can even the ones I don't like (yes, some of you I don't like).
As I said in the other thread about this. We do not do this, never have as long as I've been here. The funny thing is we can see IP addresses now and I still wouldn't ever give it out.
+1 to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
Don't consider myself an asshole but even if I did I'd still post becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by creazz
1.Allegations(especially false ones)need to be replied to
2.It no doubt bothers you
Just so you know it's mostly(like your post) number 2 though.
Shut up bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by creazz
Is it because of thee recent slew of Accounts being tracked down by the Staff?
Is it because the traded accnts are being banned?
Let me just say that its not the FST Mods etc from whom the tracker staff can get the IP adress .. There are more ways of doing that and it has been proven time and again here that IP address can be tracked down without the help of FST Staff ..
I dont care other anti-trading shit posts except for this. So,someone besides you are seeing our IPs.Because I got disabled at one tracker.And staff told me the reason:You were reported as trader at FST explain this shit please...Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
Did u have the Same username on the tracker as on FST?Quote:
Originally Posted by creazzI dont care other anti-trading shit posts except for this. So,someone besides you are seeing our IPs.Because I got disabled at one tracker.And staff told me the reason:You were reported as trader at FST explain this shit please...Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
it probably wasn't the fst staff but some regular member here or undercover tracker staff.
who knows, maybe you were too stupid and exposed info easily enough for you to get banned for trading.
someone can host an image on their server, and view all of the IP addresses that viewed that image. they can send it to you in a PM, or they can deduce who you are by the time you responded to a thread. it's not rocket science...
I was exactly gonna post this simple method .. Its a oretty simple method for the staff to host the images on their server and just note down the IPs that hit the image .. then all they have to do is just match the Subnets to the accnts to the Ip hits .. Usually the service provider info helps also in case of dynamic IPsQuote:
Originally Posted by lysine
prob easier to just ask for the invite next time, try it you will be surprised.
hé proud anti-trading, it's for you, just for you
This is not a pro-trading manifesto. It is a look at the correlation between ‘traders’ and ‘inviters’, and the overall impact on private trackers, their members and torrent forums.
Through the eyes of a private tracker, there’s really no discerning difference between trading an invitation, or by simply giving it away (publicly) to someone who asks - the fact is, either way it’s against tracker rules. While most reputable "Tracker Invite" sites & forums have now opted to go ‘anti-trading’ in recent times, ‘invite giveaways’ are as popular as ever. But is there really that much of a difference between the two?
Trading vs Giveaways - The Same Thing?
Picture this: I go to a tracker invite forum, and post a giveaway offer. Say, for example, a user called “Mister994″ asks me for my offered invite. Now, Mister994 is a very active member on those forums, so I don’t hesitate to give it away to him. Not only that, but similar to me, he also offers giveaways on a consistent basis. Now, two minutes later, I go into one of his GA threads, and ask HIM for an invite that he’s currently offering. Certainly, he gives it to me, not only because I just invited him to one of my private trackers, but because I’m also a valuable active member. Now, wasn’t this entire two-way transaction just a big fat trade, cleverly disguised as two separate giveaways?! In essence, it amounted to the exact same thing. And it happens all the time.
Trading: A Form Of Currency
One negative connotation associated with trading can easily be summed up by the general consensus that it is, indeed, a form of currency. And since trackers are (usually) non-profit for the purpose of free information, invitations to them are not to be sold (aka. traded) in any way, shape or form. Having said that, many trackers turn a blind eye to invites being so freely swapped and handed out, as it’s a form of publicity that generates new members - new members who may eventually donate to the tracker, or become upstanding denizens. Other trackers, such as What.cd and SaveTheCoratee have aggressively taken the stance of keeping their invites out of such torrent forums - regardless of trade or giveaway. These trackers have come to be known as No-movement trackers.
Only if someone gives a shit abt wat you post :sadwalk: ..Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman
Traders will Trade period .. Invite Forums will exist no matter what you do .. In the end they will only become more l33t like the trackers with strict invitation only entree .. So while the lecture was pretty good it makes no sense to blabber it on a public Board ..
Only Actions matter ..
Giveaways are time-delayed trades. You give because you expect something in return in the near future. In the same currency.
Really? I thought it was the whole concept of Sharing is caring that came into the picture when thinking abt invite giveaways..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
you share your invites and others share theirs .. But obs i was wrong and have seen the error of ways .. But i hope giving the TTi seedhours is acceptable?:unsure:
c'mon, you are no naive here.
you know very well that in 90% of the cases here, users do giveaways to gain higher bt rep, so that when it's their turn to request, they expect to be served.
there are exceptions, but this is the rule around here.
Did u ever try to delve in to the fact y this rule has been around since the inception of invite giveaways?
which rule do u refer to ? i think i didn't catch your point.
The rule that says the higher Bt Reps get their Higher revel requests filled in ?
Say GuitarHero,sweetiepie et all?
Why do u think the whole Barter system evolved?
Would the members here trust a guy with no reps ? No reps is interpreted more in a waty of not being able to share, not having the appropiate knwoledge of the BT world etc you will get the point now so i dont need to elaborate more this sytem ..
Or simply wat u said
"users do giveaways to gain higher bt rep, so that when it's their turn to request, they expect to be served.
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And I guess this post was less crappy than mine?! Thank you for your wiseness oh anti anti-trader!Quote:
Originally Posted by puckfaceA crappy post quoting a crappy post about a crappy post.Quote:
Originally Posted by bumrocks
Anyway, unless someone is a real dick I'm guessing they don't report IP's. Or if just just plain old don't like someone maybe.
So now we have a crappy post quoting a crappy post that talks about a crappy post...Now I need you to stoop to my level and make an equally or more crappy post so that this may continue...Hmmm? Lending to the crappidity of this post...If puckface and I had a gay lovechild I would name him Bumpuck Facepants. Yeah, that's it...Perfect crap achieved...
Back to topic...
To answer your question..."Do we have to trust FST stuff while trading?"
No you don't. Just like you don't have to be a member here. Trade somewhere else if that is your thing.
i'm talking about the hidden agendas behind those giveaways.Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
it's a trade, not in the traditional way, if you prefer to consider like that, but at an expectation level.
u give = high bt rep = more chances to get the "i dream of" invite in return later when they go ask.
people trade their invites that they give for a +1 rep, to get in return something.
That's what i was referring to. (i never expected that sentence to become consensual ).
The thing is that you dont have to be here also .. Get it !!Quote:
Originally Posted by bumrocksQuote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Back to topic...
My worthless contribution to the this thread
http://www.avikatz.net/report/jrep2/...cs/blabber.jpg
Bty a comic strip specially for you ...
http://www.gogga.com/wp-content/uplo...8022523904.jpg
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Originally Posted by creazz
Tell you what get me on PM or even MSN and we can figure this out. Instead of throwing my name out there and trying to tarnish my beloved FST and hiding just say who said what and when. Simple really. The ways tracker staff can catch you are endless most (as I understand it) don't even use that method anymore. So coming here to bash us and me under an alias makes you look foolish. Again you want to figure this out PM me or get me on MSN and we can find out the truth together. Also I believe an apology is in order here, don't you?
In a nutshel....NO tracker staff hold giveaways from time to time but I don't think they have very many trades;)Quote:
Originally Posted by luckyman
Yes and no. Sure some will expect something in return but others don't expect anything. I think it's kind of a broad statement for you to sum up the way people are as a whole. There is an expression out there. There is an ounce of selfishness in every good deed. To me this means people will do something seemingly unselfish to make themselves feel better about who they are in turn being selfish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Best point here.Quote:
Originally Posted by bumrocks
Are you jerk? Someone had reported my fucking IP to trackers,that is the damn reason! From now on,I will not trust FST staff while trading,also it is up to you trust or not.This is just a warn from me.Your IP can be learned easily at every log in to FST. And to those guys who are talking about GAs and trading and their differences:You are all idiots.If you want to talk about GA vs trading,get out you bitches.Cant you all understand? I am asking about how my IP can be learned at FST not asking about the differences betweeen Trading and GAsQuote:
Originally Posted by piratebot
1 thing i am going to say here.
in 5 years of being on this site, and 5 years of running a tracker, the amount of IPs i have got from staff here is.
0
thats correct, not once have I ever got an IP from the staff here, mind you I have never asked but I am pretty sure that if I did, they would tell me to fuck right off.
and another point, if they were giving IPs to staff, how come they have been banned from trackers themselves, just for the simple fact, they are staff on here.
A lot of trackers hate this place, its members, its staff etc etc, but I am pretty sure that if they were doing what you say they are doing, the trackers would actually love this place.
I for 1 think (actually I know) you are talking bollocks.
If there is 1 site on the net you can trust to be a (fuckhead) trader its FST, at least the staff on here are not staff on here just to get into trackers, like some other places.
thats a nice point u bring into the argument ..Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
bty didnt anyone find the comic strip funny :( .. I am failure
Thanks Stoi. I would never tell you to fuck off man a simple polite friendly no I can't would be the extent of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
I will say those are two really good points I have been banned from trackers ( not many but some) for being staff here.
I can say I have a friend/Owner of a good tracker who repeatedly asked me for a members IP and I kept saying no for weeks on end over MSN. Now if he is reading this I wonder if he'd say it was him. HMMMM
No, sorry, I didn't even smile :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146thats a nice point u bring into the argument ..Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
bty didnt anyone find the comic strip funny :( .. I am failure
well yeah it was a play on words, in this situation to the op, a NO would not surfice.
a big fuck right off though, it might even sink in to that thick scull of his.
You want his IP addy???? :P
You wanna know why your post is in fact a bit of a failure ...Quote:
Originally Posted by creazz
Even, and I highly doubt it, if what you said was true it still just proves you're not cut-out to be a badass trader. :rolleyes:
You don't have to be on the 'digital-highway' for a very long time to know how you would prevent anyone from getting your real IP. :whistling
The fact people would be able to retrieve your IP from your visits/posts on forums means you suck at what you do ... basically you're just a crappy trader! :cool: