An easy way to boost your private tracker ratio!

Hello fellow leechers! :happy:


Here is an great technique that will drastically help you improve your ratio, because you won't even be downloading from the tracker! It's called preseeding or outside seeding and works great! :D

This is how it's done:

Step 1 : Go to the browse page of your tracker, and sort the torrents by "leechers" (it can also be an "L" or sometimes a thumb or arrow pointing down).

Step 2 : This is the most important step, you must choose a torrent that has a lot of leechers, but not too many seeders, so for instance a torrent with 200 leechers and 24 seeders would be much better than a torrent with 400 leechers and 600 seeders. What you want is a torrent with a very low S/L ratio.
Now you also want to make sure that the torrent you choose is not specific to this tracker. It must be findable somewhere else. Usually files are found on many different trackers, except of course the exclusive packs/releases.

Step 3: Now you want to find the same file, but from another tracker. It is very important to make sure that both files are EXACTLY the same. To check, look at the name of the release, which must be unchanged, as well as the size of the file and number of files.
Usually trackers will allow you to see the full list of files for a release, so that won't be hard to check.
Once you have made sure both files were the same, you can download it from that second tracker.

Edit :Step 4: After downloading the file, you have two possibilities:
1- If your upload rate is slow and you need to improve your ratio in a short time frame, like sometimes when trackers give you a couple of days to save your account, then you can choose to pause the torrent (pause or stop button depending on the tracker). Don't forget to restart it once your ratio on the other tracker has improved.

2- If you don't have a short time frame to save your ratio, then you can let it seed.

Step 5: Go back to the tracker where you want a ratio boost, and download the torrent you originally chose and downloaded from that second tracker. When added to your client, a window may pop-up to ask you if you want to merge the files or replace them or something like that, say yes.
My client doesn't ask me anything, but I know utorrent does. Your client will then verify the integrity of the file, and if both files were exactly the same (if you dindn't screw up step 3, that is :P), it will start seeding!

You will then watch your ratio improve much faster than usual, since you won't even have downloaded anything from the tracker! :happy:



Hope this helped :)

Happy seeding,

H.

thanks man

I wonder what would happen if everyone choose to do that?

I think this should be immediately removed man

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I wonder what would happen if everyone choose to do that?

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You always have to get the torrent from another tracker so in theory nothing will change. Though that is probably not reality.

THe best solution is getting a seedbox which also is inline with the community spirit of sharing

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Originally Posted by ChUt

I think this should be immediately removed man

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:pinch: Did I say something wrong? I'd like to remind you that outside seeding is allowed in most trackers, and if it isn't, then it just won't work. Read your tracker's faq to know or ask in the irc if it has one.
I know TL allows it for instance and most trackers do ;)

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Originally Posted by elya9

THe best solution is getting a seedbox which also is inline with the community spirit of sharing

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Yeah that's a good solution, although I was aiming for something more... Free :P

So where are you going to get it from TPB, you could have downloaded it and seeded back on the tracker before you do that.

Nothing new here, move along (crap thread tbh)

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Originally Posted by stoi

So where are you going to get it from TPB, you could have downloaded it and seeded back on the tracker before you do that.

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Well TPB would be a last resort, I personally get the files quickly from other private trackers where my ratio is better. Trust me, it's an easier way to improve your ratio than downloading and seeding the file back to the same tracker. ;)

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Originally Posted by stoi

Nothing new here, move along (crap thread tbh)

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Well I understand that you are an old member of this board and didn't need my help, but if this doesn't help you it may however help others, so why not be respectful at the least? :ermm:

Well it is common sense, if they dont know about this, then they dont deserve to be a member of a private tracker.

and if you have got a shit upload, it will still take you ages to get a good ratio.

This is more for helping the initial seeders out and getting it to the leechers quicker, than personal gain on your crappy ratio.

threads like this make me want to puke. so much for community, its all fucking self self self.

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Originally Posted by stoi

Well it is common sense, if they dont know about this, then they dont deserve to be a member of a private tracker.

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That's a really sorry thing to say. Not everybody understands everything without help, stoi... :dry:

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Originally Posted by stoi

and if you have got a shit upload, it will still take you ages to get a good ratio.

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If you have a bad upload, it will be hard to keep a good ratio. But outside seeding will get you there faster than downloading and seeding from the same tracker. It's just common sense.

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Originally Posted by stoi

threads like this make me want to puke. so much for community, its all fucking self self self.

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:blink: wow you are really taking this personnaly.
Let me just say this:
Outside seeding isn't selfish at all, you are helping the community by seeding files. Also, the fact that the point is to improve your ratio to be able to download more, you will also help the community later by leeching files.
So I really don't see why are you are so negative about this.
Is it because you own a tracker? Let me tell you that this doesn't hurt trackers at all. Think about it. ;)

And why not be a little less agressive in your posts? Would that hurt you? :ermm:

nothing new here indeed, not sure it something that should be teach to new comers, let them figure out themselves

it might be ok to me to use this method if you have a bad ratio and need to save your ass, otherwise, that's not really community friendly as you are making it harder for those who downloaded the files on the site to seed back

i know many people end up doing it to build a ratio on site like waffles and what, getting appz on other sites with easy to maintain ratio

this thread is a perfect how-not-to.
ROFL.
You suggest hit n' run in the first site to seed at the second.

(mental reminder: do not invite this guy ever to any site.)

Yes this is very old information.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I wonder what would happen if everyone choose to do that?

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It would suck! I would think-half seeded files.

No idea why this was ever approved for Guides....

Moved to Bittorrent.

My 2 cents...

Well, the only big problem in this "how-to" is that your h&running another tracker for the sake of another one.

The truth is: most of you don't even know what it means to have a slow upload connection and try to survive in a tracker like BitmeTV or TL for example. And just say "forget it, you'll never be able to seed anything" is quite easy.

What I used to do when I had slow up connection is almost the same thing the poster advised here, with one major difference: actually we have most of the big torrents seeded in RAR and you don't need to download the entire torrent to seed it. So I used to grab like 5 to 10% of really big torrents and just seed it back to the tracker. This way, I downloaded lots of little files I would never really use.

Don't know if it still there but BitmeTV used to have a guide saying almost the same things.

My real opinion? I don't thing the poster had any bad intention creating this thread. You "staff and flawless users" are always asking newcomers to help this community. When they try with what they have (not always an awesome idea or tip) you are real fast to come and flame it instead of fast and simply argue that there is a better way for doing something or that it is just wrong.

I was not born torrenting. I don't know everything about it (far from this) and I'm "sure" learning something new almost everytime I come to this nice forum... while other attitudes I just can't understand.

how can it be considered hit and running if you have it seeding onboth trackers?

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Originally Posted by enviouz

how can it be considered hit and running if you have it seeding onboth trackers?

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If you're doing this because you have slow upload connection, you won't be able to seed in both trackers... That's why it is a hit&run. You're taking something from a open tracker to seed somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by 7th

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Originally Posted by enviouz

how can it be considered hit and running if you have it seeding onboth trackers?

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If you're doing this because you have slow upload connection, you won't be able to seed in both trackers... That's why it is a hit&run. You're taking something from a open tracker to seed somewhere else.

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that makes sense. i guess i had the assumption that you were speaking of traditional hit and runs.

example: downloading from one tracker and immidiately stoping it to seed in another tracker (traditional h&r). as opposed to downloading from say tracker #1 (say it has zero to very few other leeches) and leaving it seeding while also seeding on tracker #2 with a large number of leeches. of course this second scenario is EXTREMELY unlikely.

ty for clearing up what you meant tho. cheers :)

P.S. i still say part seeding is the best way to boost ratio. part of this "guide" can be used for that tho. but only the tip on arranging by number of leechers and looking at the seed to leech ratio.

Last time i checked hit n running is when you stop seeding on a torrent without any intention of even seeding it.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

this thread is a perfect how-not-to.
ROFL.
You suggest hit n' run in the first site to seed at the second.

(mental reminder: do not invite this guy ever to any site.)

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I made this thread in order to help beginner torrenters, then it's up to them to use it responsibly. If people decide to just hit and run on a tracker where it's not allowed or don't seed enough, well they will then assume the consequences of their lack of responsibility and get banned from that tracker.

Cabalo, Isn't a community, among other things, a place where you share knowledge with people?
Is this the way you welcome new members here? With that kind of sarcastic and unrespectful "sense of humour"?

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Originally Posted by 7th

My real opinion? I don't thing the poster had any bad intention creating this thread. You "staff and flawless users" are always asking newcomers to help this community. When they try with what they have (not always an awesome idea or tip) you are real fast to come and flame it instead of fast and simply argue that there is a better way for doing something or that it is just wrong.

I was not born torrenting. I don't know everything about it (far from this) and I'm "sure" learning something new almost everytime I come to this nice forum... while other attitudes I just can't understand.

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Wow :blink: Somebody actually came to this thread with no intention to light it on fire.
I am truly amazed. :mellow:
Thank you.

H.

this practice is also known as pre-seeding .... which most trackers do not have rules against.. but, its really frowned upon.. personally, i feel its a cheat on the tracker.. many trackers have uploaders that work hard to make sure a tracker has the the new releases up as fast as they can.. note: not all trackers have auto uploaders.. with that said, doing this takes away from the uploaders hard work/resources/money and robs them of their efforts... it discourages them from wanting to upload anyfurther, which hurts the tracker in the end... and for what?? so some lazy person can make their e-penis grow?? thats one of my pet peives! and you really must be a lamer to think you have to do this.. all it shows is that your a lazy torrenter!

doesn't matter if you have a slow connection.. thats an excuse not a reason as many, many users of tracker can get good ratios by seeding normally.. it might take a bit longer.. but, its absolutely doable.. besides the fact that most tracker now-a-days have FL, Ratio Free, bonuses, ect.. to help their users with ratio if they need help.. if a users can't be bothered with taking advantage of those things proivided.. they have no business using trackers... for lack of common sense!

lol!
Good idea but let us refine it a bit. When you get a bad ratio on a tracker. It is simple ... stop all downloads and seed all the downloaded torrents at full speed eventually you would be able to get your ratio back. While in the meanwhile you can download your torrents at some other trackers .

It looks very aritficial to me to download from one tracker in order to upload it on another.It means double work. you have to upload the same amount of data two times one at the tracker from which you have downloaded (as good torrent ethics call for return back what you get at least 1:1) and one at the tracker on which you want to improve your ratio.

Now let us take a look from another angle ....let us suppose you have downloaded a torrent from one tracker. Now you should seed it back fully i.e at least 1:1 ratio. But you are also member of another tracker so you can use the downloaded torrent to also seed on the other tracker to help the members there. well you can't lose here it is a win win situation. you would get better ratio, better reputation and above all would help a few members when seeding. There is a slight difference between the present idea and the original idea amd I think anyone should be able to distinguish between the two.

wow this is a very poor trick and i think every noob know this...
this thread is shit.. and well you can choose a torrent that has a lot of leechers but maybe thats only part leechers.. and if you have soo many time to leech this file from a other tracker for seeding on the second tracker then is this tracker veryvery slow and shit... releases should be full shared under 30minutes....

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

lol!

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Congrats! You got one more post! This is really funny :angry:

This is also known as preseeding.

And is only applicable to 0day/general trackers and most of them frown on this, but not for TL I think since they're just in for the money.

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

lol!

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Congrats! You got one more post! This is really funny :angry:

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Thanks friend return to the post again and read it once more. you have missed something:D

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Originally Posted by 7th

Congrats! You got one more post! This is really funny :angry:

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Thanks friend return to the post again and read it once more. you have missed something:D

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Now it looks more like a post indeed.

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Originally Posted by D1zkK1ll

wow this is a very poor trick and i think every noob know this...
this thread is shit.. and well you can choose a torrent that has a lot of leechers but maybe thats only part leechers.. and if you have soo many time to leech this file from a other tracker for seeding on the second tracker then is this tracker veryvery slow and shit... releases should be full shared under 30minutes....

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:frusty:

Here's some piece of advice for you:
How about you go back to grammar school, learn some english grammar and spelling, maybe even have the teachers teach you some respect, and then perhaps you could come back here and expose clearly some opinions with arguments instead of waisting your time and everybody else's that read your useless posts. :dry:

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Originally Posted by jasperr

this practice is also known as pre-seeding .... which most trackers do not have rules against.. but, its really frowned upon.. personally, i feel its a cheat on the tracker.. many trackers have uploaders that work hard to make sure a tracker has the the new releases up as fast as they can.. note: not all trackers have auto uploaders.. with that said, doing this takes away from the uploaders hard work/resources/money and robs them of their efforts... it discourages them from wanting to upload anyfurther, which hurts the tracker in the end... and for what?? so some lazy person can make their e-penis grow?? thats one of my pet peives! and you really must be a lamer to think you have to do this.. all it shows is that your a lazy torrenter!

doesn't matter if you have a slow connection.. thats an excuse not a reason as many, many users of tracker can get good ratios by seeding normally.. it might take a bit longer.. but, its absolutely doable.. besides the fact that most tracker now-a-days have FL, Ratio Free, bonuses, ect.. to help their users with ratio if they need help.. if a users can't be bothered with taking advantage of those things proivided.. they have no business using trackers... for lack of common sense!

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Again, as I said to the other people that looked at this preseeding thing from such a negative angle, try to see it as a global thing, re-read my last post, and if you try to actually understand the logic of how trackers work, with the effect that a big number of users have on them, then you will see that this doesn't have any negative impact on any tracker whatsoever.
It's just plain logic.

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

lol!
Good idea but let us refine it a bit. When you get a bad ratio on a tracker. It is simple ... stop all downloads and seed all the downloaded torrents at full speed eventually you would be able to get your ratio back. While in the meanwhile you can download your torrents at some other trackers .

It looks very aritficial to me to download from one tracker in order to upload it on another.It means double work. you have to upload the same amount of data two times one at the tracker from which you have downloaded (as good torrent ethics call for return back what you get at least 1:1) and one at the tracker on which you want to improve your ratio.

Now let us take a look from another angle ....let us suppose you have downloaded a torrent from one tracker. Now you should seed it back fully i.e at least 1:1 ratio. But you are also member of another tracker so you can use the downloaded torrent to also seed on the other tracker to help the members there. well you can't lose here it is a win win situation. you would get better ratio, better reputation and above all would help a few members when seeding. There is a slight difference between the present idea and the original idea amd I think anyone should be able to distinguish between the two.

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Now finally some positive thinking! :)
Very good idea indeed, I actually do that the other way around, by seeding it first to the tracker where my ratio needs saving, and then later to the other one where my ratio is solid. :happy:


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There is one thing though, when you say:

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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000

It looks very aritficial to me to download from one tracker in order to upload it on another.It means double work. you have to upload the same amount of data two times one at the tracker from which you have downloaded (as good torrent ethics call for return back what you get at least 1:1) and one at the tracker on which you want to improve your ratio.

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You forget that in the contrary this saves you some trouble. I don't think you fully understand the logic of this either. Unstead of downloading a file from 2 trackers and uploading it to those 2 trackers, you are actually only downloading it once (why bother downloading it twice since it's the same file) and still uploading to the 2 trackers, so this is not double work as you call it.

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Originally Posted by pone44

Yes this is very old information.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I wonder what would happen if everyone choose to do that?

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It would suck! I would think-half seeded files.

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lol exactly tell me something i dont know. I personally never do this but i swear some trackers dont mind if people do this and even tell u in their tutorials how to upload files that u have that are the same as files that they have.

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Originally Posted by 7th

Don't know if it still there but BitmeTV used to have a guide saying almost the same things.

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U know what i was thinking the exact thing.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

You suggest hit n' run in the first site to seed at the second.

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you can copy the files to seed them on both trackers (maybe not even necessary to copy. i don't remember)

[QUOTE=hoodeh;3122785
Now finally some positive thinking! :)
Very good idea indeed, I actually do that the other way around, by seeding it first to the tracker where my ratio needs saving, and then later to the other one where my ratio is solid. :happy:[/QUOTE]

Well I would again adivse that to stop downloadding at a tracker where your ratio has gone down a bit only seed there. In the meanwhile download at some other tracker. When your ratio return to normal at the first tracker start downloading there and let the second tracker on seed only. Just don't let your ratio go down very much at a particular tracker. Think in advance!

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Originally Posted by rizkhan25000

well i would again adivse that to stop downloadding at a tracker where your ratio has gone down a bit only seed there. In the meanwhile download at some other tracker. When your ratio return to normal at the first tracker start downloading there and let the second tracker on seed only. Just don't let your ratio go down very much at a particular tracker. Think in advance!

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+1 ;)

Thanks pal, I was already using a similar strategy.

use ratiomaster

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And why not be a little less agressive in your posts? Would that hurt you?

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Fuck Off

is that better for you prick

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And why not be a little less agressive in your posts? Would that hurt you?

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Fuck Off

is that better for you prick

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Wow, you sir, are pathetic :yup:

Thx for this really constructive post, you are really the kind of member this community needs... :dry:

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Originally Posted by stoi

Fuck Off

is that better for you prick

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Wow, you sir, are pathetic :yup:

Thx for this really constructive post, you are really the kind of member this community needs... :dry:

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you need to do some homework... lmao

as would see if you did he is a tracker representative.. so, taking that into consideration, i think his msg on the matter is very clear hear.. lol

and no matter how you try to rationalize this.. it's still not a acceptable to tracker staff/owners and certainly not fair to the people who actually bring in the torrents to the sites in the first place.. seems to me like you should stick with public trackers.. cause with your current position.. your heading for lots of bans if you make that a chronic habit ;)......

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Originally Posted by Naix

use ratiomaster

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yeah... go ahead and use that.. lol

cheaters never get banned right?? :frusty:

right :lol:

I think this belongs somewhere else because it is more a debate about ethics than torrenting.
I'm leaning lounge myself but I'm open to opinions.