...New Hampshire leads the new secession movement, which puts Obama's self-view as Lincoln reincarnated in a whole new light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s6b-yYvfp8
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...New Hampshire leads the new secession movement, which puts Obama's self-view as Lincoln reincarnated in a whole new light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s6b-yYvfp8
The moment I saw Alex Jones that video lost all credibility and got turned off. :dabs:
Oh, ffs, Skiz, play along...it has very little to do with Jones, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Hilarious.
How does he keep a straight face?
Are you going to have another civil war? It was secession that started the last one. :cry:
Fine, I'll watch it.... :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4Oh, ffs, Skiz, play along...it has very little to do with Jones, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
edit: Oh, dear... now there is some Infowars twit on there. :dabs:
Representative Itse is identified by photograph, which helped, I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Why do you think the idea is so far-fetched, btw.
Is Obama's Lincolnesque self-description supposed to pre-empt such shennanigans?
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
Revisionist history currently has the "cart" of slavery placed before the "horse" of secession, somehow.
What is it with your Obama/Lincoln fixation?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Bush was apparently a big fan also, did that offend you too?
What is it with Obama's Obama/Lincoln obsession?Quote:
Originally Posted by clockerWhat is it with your Obama/Lincoln fixation?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Oh, I see.
A clearly intelligent man who has actually read Lincoln and thought about history likes to make references to a leader he obviously admires.
What is he thinking?
Much better to approach your leadership idolatry like Bush, who thought Lincoln had something to do with developing logs.
"Clearly intelligent"?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
By what measure?
Is he smarter than either of the Clintons?
Remember, you are talking about a man who thinks FDR ended the Great Depression, and nobody with an ounce of sense actually believes that.
You mean conservatives don't believe that and everyone else has no sense.
Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
Revisionist history currently has the "cart" of slavery placed before the "horse" of secession, somehow.
You can't really change history to suit a particular viewpopint. Slavery was the reason for the secession. Secession was the reason for the war. In that order. Or was it?:whistling
Than apparently he didn't read this part...Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
"I will say here, while upon this subject, that I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so. I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgement, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary..." Abraham Lincoln: His Speeches and Writings, ed. Roy P. Basler (New York: Da Capo Press, 1990), p. 445
Then from the 4th debate with Stephen Douglas:
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing
about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black
races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or
jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry
with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical
difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever
forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.
And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there
must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other
man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” - from ABRAHAM LINCOLN: COMPLETE WORKS, 1894, Vol. 1, page 273
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboabQuote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
You can't really change history to suit a particular viewpopint. Slavery was the reason for the secession. Secession was the reason for the war. In that order. Or was it?:whistling
Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4"Clearly intelligent"?Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
By what measure?
Is he smarter than either of the Clintons?
Remember, you are talking about a man who thinks FDR ended the Great Depression, and nobody with an ounce of sense actually believes that.
What I mean is liberals believe that it is not what you say, but how you look and sound when you say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Therein lies Obama's secret.
My, but you've become quite the expert on liberal thought lately, haven't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
"Not what you say but how you look and sound when you say it" is applicable to Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly too, hmmm?
Not just lately, certainly, and how those three look or sound is generally a topic for whatever ridicule you can concoct-Quote:
Originally Posted by clockerMy, but you've become quite the expert on liberal thought lately, haven't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
"Not what you say but how you look and sound when you say it" is applicable to Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly too, hmmm?
-Limbaugh is fat and a drug addict-
-Hannity is a simple-minded jar-head-
-O'Reilly is a blow-hard-
-and ergo none of what they say has any credence.
Obama, on the other hand, is smooth...glib...literate...a great dresser...all that, and a mean outside jumper.
Well, then.
I guess that's all it takes for you guys, huh?
Take away his teleprompter and he's pretty fucking stupid, truth - in a league with a fellow named Bush, perhaps you've heard of him.
This is boring.
I get it...you don't like Obama and he's going to ruin America- if he hasn't already.
With or without a teleprompter.
There you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
It must be a terrible burden to be prescient.
I know it's isolating, most of America likes Obama and has confidence in his leadership.
Hopefully there will be enough left by 2012 for you and the rest of the repubs to salvage.
Till then I guess you'll have to suck it.
Therein lies every Politicians secret and the electorate of whatever leanings always buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
As for Obama.. don't know the guy, havent been following politics much for the last year. Frankly scum rises when power is in the offing imho, no matter which party they are leading, therefore I will assume the worst until he proves otherwise.
See? I don't take sides. I hates all politicians equally. ;)
That's not quite true, now, is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Damn, you're right.
I hates them more when they are just plain nasty people and dont care who knows it.
It is nicer to be taken to dinner before you're ass-raped.