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Now this is NOT, I SAY AGAIN NOT a thread to start another flame war trader vs. "anti" trader in.
I just want to get an idea if the majority of our members think and feel about it.
There will be no other warning if you start shit in here there will be harsh infractions handed down. Respectful posts only, lets act like adults here guys and gals. Thanks
No problem in keeping it :)
i like it :whistling
let it live
This is gonna be interesting. I say get rid of it.
I really wish you would have put in a third option Detale, saying something like "I don't think it's possible for me to care any less whether it stays or not". But since you didn't, I picked yes just because it seems to cause too many problems(for here and trackers).
Yes , but from my point of view i don't frequent there often
Yes please get rid of it :D
I do not care either way. has it's up's and downs, i assume. They will migrate to another forum or create some secret trading site? No offense to those who choose to trade, just my thoughts.
I say get rid of it
@Detale;
Why dont you show the names on the poll to see who voted yes and no?
Why don't you tell us how YOU voted?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
EDIT: I guess I should have known, sorry.
Read the first post again guys. before someone says something dumb and gets Disabled for a week.
Shalafi I didn't show them because it's a private Poll so no one has to be affraid of what othes think and can answer honestly.
I've honestly never seen the point in trading so I say get rid of the trading section. IMO this would be a better place without it. But again thats just my opinion
I mean ,to offer a solutionQuote:
Originally Posted by Detale
If who voted yes,they shouldnt see the trade section.So that means they got rid of trading section.
And if who voted no;they shouldnt see the giveaway and request section.
That should be a good solution.
I voted to get rid of it, but only because there wasn't an "I honestly don't give a crap" option in the poll, and I lean toward removing it only slightly. To be honest it affects me none, and it likely never will.
I think the trading section is a good thing.
That plus the BT rep, lets us know who trades and who doesnt, and therefore gives us info on users.
If FST didnt have a trading section, it would still have all the traders asking for invites at the giveaway and request section, and they would get more invites since people wouldnt be able to check whether they are traders or not.
The trading section must stay, as it let's us know who the traders are.
H.
No it wouldnt, that is just hiding more things on here. I hate trading, but i want to see it so i can decide for myself to ban/or not to ban someone that is trading.
I say get rid, its pointless.
FST dont even allow links to torrents, they allow NZB but not links to actual torrents, because of the legal ramifications, but you allow trading, which is a security risk to trackers, just seems 2 faced to me.
I still dont think it will ever happen, the WTAW and trading sections are there to get members in, ever since the demise of the K-Lite program you have no other way to grab them by the balls and get them to stay here, and i would personally members got more involved in their tracker forums/irc and asked questions etc than came here.
So without it the site would be dead within a year, but it would be good to see the back of it (trading sections I mean, but it will never happen, and if just hide them, then you will have a lot more mistrust than you do already)
Yes
kill it! :P
No, there are people, who like to trade. They are nowhere worse than the loud hypocrites, the so -called "Anti - Traders". This is a friendly, cozy place - enough space for everybody until rules kept.
it would be nice to get rid of trade zone here :)
So its OK to break tracker rules, but god forbid if you break FST rules?
lets be honest here, most trackers, trading is against their rules, but traders dont care one iota about that, neither does FST.
OK if it was not against our rules, then fine get on with it, but this is what it comes down to, FST and traders, even giveaways on here, are against most trackers rules, but yous dont give a toss, that is what gets on tracker staffs tits.
noo fst shouldnt get rid of trading section...
because
fst wouldnt be a better place all of a sudden without traders then what it really is .....
people dont really change....if some one thinks if they kill every one who has wronged in one generation...the jails would be empty the next generation and further generations to come....its a wrong idea.....its not the system its human nature which is flawed
....there will always be people who do things right way and who dont do things the right way.
i started off trading and i have been a pretty good member in all the sites i am on......may be trading should be given atleast a few more years before being scrapped.
if not here they would trade somewhere else...people usually see what they want to see...if u r a trader u thing trading is the best way to go about it...anyways i dont really know much of anything
From my POV, and this is mine, not every tracker staff out there, there are good ways to trade, and there are bad ways.
Lets say you have Frank and Mavis, they are on a general tracker, they get talking on MSN/IRC, Frank says he would love to get in a game only tracker, Mavis says she would love to get into a TV only tracker, low and behold, Frank has a BitmeTV invite, and Mavis has a BCG invite, so they invite each other into those trackers.
That to me is fine, as both want them, and both will use them, and more importantly, both know each other before and after the trade.
What i think is wrong, is trading with someone you have no idea who they are.
take the 2 members above, they still want to get in those sites, but they do not know each other, They both trade on here, but Mavis has been a very clever cheat for awhile on BCG so we have not spotted here, Frank thinks with ratio SS and Speedtests she is a really good member, Frank gets mavis into BitmeTV, she cheats, gets caught, Frank and Mavis loose both accounts on BCG and BitmeTV.
and then you have the members that just want every tracker, and 5 accounts on each, they are addicted to trading, they dont really give a shit about the site, they use a seedbox, to up their ratio to get invites, or to have a better account, some even donate to get a better bargaining tool, and then trade, trade, trade.
All they care about is their addiction to trading, they dont give a toss about the sites in question, or the other members they are trading with, and they also know, that if they get banned, np, just trade again to get back in.
so just think next time you do a giveaway or a trade, you very well may be bringing in a member to that tracker, that has just been banned not long ago.
Yes is is a fast way of getting what you want, but is it really worth it, surely getting to know people on trackers and socializing and getting noticed is a better way (slower yes, but definately better).
well yeah may be there is some times when trade you do get greedy...i myself have been tempted to trade for something which i dont have and i dont need....luckily i have been able to stop myself for making such trades...
and yes i doo feel getting to know people on trackers and socializing and getting noticed is a better way (slower yes, but definately better).
but i dont know if its worth the wait...jsut because of the time u gotta spend on getting to know some one who u would probabaly never meet.....and jsut when u r starting to get noticed oink gets shut down...u need to start the whole process...u got college to worry, and all the bieautifull gals around, the phone sex,cyber sex, the real sex, theater sex.......and then the real friends....and sleeping masterbating,pretending to study, pretending to work, watch all the movies u downloaded, play all the games u downloaded.....whew is there enough time?.... is 24 hrs enough is the real question?
16 votes for no but no good reason to keep it and nobody reply's that sad because they know they are traders and still HIDE.
BT reps have nothing to do with trades i didn't get my reps from trading . So it's not neccesary to say that if you have BT reps you are a trader
We are all against rules,why do you avoid this fact??Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
this is kind of food chain.
In the bottom of the chain;there are traders which site staffs try to hunt and get rid of them
In the middle of the chain,there are trackers which Mpaa and others try to hunt and get rid of them.
So you too;dont give a toss and that is what gets on mpaa and others tits.
So how can you talk against us while u are acting like us??
Maybe some trackers need to shut up.because this can be what it will come down to.
Normally,in a food chain the one in the bottom cant hunt the one in the middle.But i think we have an exception here.Do not forget this.
In indian forums (like most others i assume) there is option in your profile which allows you to choose wether you want to see threads will adult content(posted in a different subforum) or not .. This was primarily dont to achive the safe browsing for the office going users like myself who browse such forums on from office too ..
Wouldnt it be better that you can implement some thing of this sort here .. Make sure others can view what option you have selected in the profile regarding this so as to make sure that the two groups exactly knw who is what ..
I think polls like this arnt exactly helpfull in solving the purpose for which they are created .. you can never estimate the damage this site will suffer due to closure of trade section .. It mite prove disastrous after a few months ..
Thirdly I really dont wanna see FST go down the same path as other forums where everyone is just another arse licker trying to get into the new leet tracker .. Atleast traders have some self respect and dont go beggin abt invites or do foolish things(<insert cheesemen stupid photo here>) ..
FST is what is it because of the freedom given here to each individual .. 30 days is enuff time for any new member to choose the path he wants to take oh how to progress in this BT hierarchy .. The regulars here can advice them as to what to do but the end decision lies with them .. Dont force people on what needs to be done ..
You also do realise that its the traders that bring some really kick ass threads into existence in FST :shifty:
To borrow a little from what stoi already said, we're ultimately seeking to join private trackers - trackers with their own specific rules. And almost universally, they ban trading. So when you join a tracker, you're receiving the invite with the condition that you'll play by their rules; it is their house after all.
How many times have users complained here when they feel they've been unfairly banned, especially when they've been good users? Well, tracker admins can feel similarly cheated when they find out a supposedly good user has been secretly breaking their rules the entire time. Other users end up paying the consequences (i.e., losing invites, privileges, etc.) To me, it just comes down to mutual respect.
Beyond that, I feel it's a big safety issue for all trackers. As one poster already stated, traders are too easily driven by the temptation of the next great tracker - and will frequently cut corners when deciding who their trading partner will be. All it takes is one mistake - the wrong invitee - to bring down an entire tracker.
For those reasons, I voted to get rid of the trading section.
I think what you fail to understand is that the no-trading rule isn't arbitrary. Just about every tracker has this rule in place so that we are all protected. We all don't follow the mpaa's rules - that doesn't mean we should sacrifice our own safety for the sake of proving hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
Shalafi you have a very strange way of looking at things. I can see where you are coming from but it is flawed.
If there was no Cheaters, i would open up. christ i have opened up to 100,000 members before, within a year we are back down to 27,000 members, that must tell you something.
Problem is it is a viscious circle.
We open up we get cheats and dupe accounts, that are to the used for trading "if" we ever close our doors in the future.
We stay closed we get traders who trade accounts they signed up with when we were open, this also brings in cheaters.
We have invites to get new members in, hopefully good ones, and members that get the invites, just want something in reteurn, so they trade, or sell them.
The whole point of trading is, you get something for free (an account or an invite) and you profit from it (get into another site, or sell them).
to me it has not got much to do about security, if they want you, they dont even have to be in your tracker, they will still get you.
all i would like, is good members, that do not cheat, that use the tracker how they want to use it, that help every other member out, either with seeding for eternity, uploading their own stuff, uploading scene stuff, helping out in the Forums or IRC, just taking part.
Not doing the above just so they can get something out of it at the end of the day, so they can use that to gain something for themselves.
but we all know that will never happen, ok their are some that will do it for the good of the community, but those are very few and far between, and every tracker out there have the traders and cheaters, i dont care what tracker you are, so every way we have tried to get good members, does not work, but yet if a tracker is completely closed, and no invites, no way to get in, all we get is complaints, and its shit anyway, you are not missing anything.
I was viewing a chetaers forum the other day, went a few months back in their posts, "is it OK to cheat on BCG" answer, yes go for it, they are open, just sign up again. went to an earlier post from about 2 months back "is it ok to cheat on BCG" NO!! they are closed if you loose your account, there is no way to get back in, so do not cheat.
Why should members utilize their BW for the sake of members to get stuff and not seed back anything, but still not get banned, christ its not like we are asking much, and on BCG we even give them the SP system and they still bloody cheat, its enough to make any staffer bang their head against a brick bloody wall.
Now you may think why talking about cheats, in a trading thread, to me they both go hand in hand, ok not every cheater is a trader and vice versa, but if a cheater knows its easy to get back in with a trade, then they will cheat regardless, because they know they are going to get back in.
I say do an experiment. Close the trading section for about 2 to 3 months and see how Fst changes. If it changes for the worse than you can bring it back. It wouldn't hurt to try really.
prediciton: no matter what the outcome of this poll is - nothing will change ...
edit: still everyone should vote for yes of course. i'm convinced that the closing of the trading section would make fst a better place.
^Yes I too have a feeling the outcome will not change at all. This is the second time we go over this same Poll. The first time I felt a little teased matter fact.
Maybe you must check system and configure it not to cheat by users.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
why do people cheat on trackers?
-poor upload speed depending on location
-cant keep up the pace with seedboxes so that they upload less
-some other reasons which doesnt come up my mind now
-for passion(to be an uploadmania,so to have some extra gainings;invite or something else)
So nearly except the 4th one,you can prevent all of these reasons.What shall you do?
having no ratio system
staying online in irc and get upload.
posting in forums(100 posts means 20 gb upload credits)
competitions which u can add upload credit to the winner
invite tree system(bring 3 good users,if they become powers users,you get 75 gb upload)
These examples are just coming up my mind.More can come if you all discuss with staff.
And so you can easily prevent cheaters.Maybe you cant prevent them all.but u can absorbe them mostly.
You can try to have other trackers' cheating system,coz i think cheating systems are different tracker by tracker.So you can cooperate with other admins and use their cheating system.
I think it is all up to you.
I voted yes, but the difference is I am aware of the politics here on FST so even if there is an overwhelming yes, say 9/10 votes, it will still make no difference. It is simple math the bt trades & bt giveaways sub forums generate a large proportion of the page impressions which are served and therefore are a large slice of the advertising revenue. Since at the end of the rainbow we are talking about revenue generated, the likelihood of the management closing a revenue generating section is not terribly likely ?
and suffer with download speeds and seeders right?? Seeders and leachers make up most of the community, not the cheaters. He can't change up his whole system because of a few bad apples, but he is trying to come up with new ways to get rid of cheaters without contradicting the efficiency of the tracker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
With this many unrresponsible and selfish users it seems impossible to have a perfect tracker. You're either going to have one flaw or another. You can never have both
Edit. This is getting a little offtopic btw.
the official statment still is that this forum makes no profit. :naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
If that will make the giveaway section has a better attention and pple start thinking of what P2P really means ( Share Ur Invites ) , then I think we don't really need a place where u can find strong pple have everything and weak pple have nothin .
And let the the invites distribution take another road , like to be distribute depend on needs and intrests , not because anyone's familly member going to get hurt if he hasn't been invited .
Didn't mean any hard feelings toward anyone , but i think both sides ; or maybe there are more sides , have some reason to act like that , and having some sections for them .
So my opinion is clear now , I hope u can take my opinion easily .:)
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
Definitely,They cant cut the tree they hang on ;)
let it be. let everybody answers only for theirs acts. if the man is an idiot, nothing can helps him, so there is no anything negative in the trade section
we had thatQuote:
invite tree system(bring 3 good users,if they become powers users,you get 75 gb upload)
still have it actually, just not everyone has referrals.
We also have the Sp system, all you have to do is seed, even if there is no leechers on a torrent, you can get a 1:1 ratio on that torrent.
we have done away with PU and SPU now as well, so nothing is based on ratio.
So yes, we are trying to come up with a good solution (it wont be perfect, nothing ever is) but it has to be better than no ratio at all, and just a ratio system.