Should anti-traders be banned?

If you have a problem with trading then dont trade and avoid the trade section.

Many people wonder how they get banned out of nowhere, and in the past there have been accusations towards the admins of them releasing our IP's to trackers.

A lot of these rats are not admins but anti-traders who know admins of other trackers and help them finding others. I've seen it happen before plenty of times.

Not only do these guys not give a shit about fairness or whatever but they have active networks with tracker admins and should not be considered a part of the community here. Many of them try to keep track of people and find their IP's through other trackers other than the one you trade in, so that once you trade their tracker they can find you.

As such I believe they should be banned only from the trade section. They are a security and privacy threat to people in these forums.

The core of this anti-trader group are trackers admins and friends.

- FST staffs don't leak IPs, they did once for superidiots but they don't anymore. At least they say so.

- 'anti-trader' are as retarded as 'trader'. ban them both.

- THIS IS INTERNET PEOPLE!!

kthnxby.

I don't see any good reason to ban anti-traders. :idunno:

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

- 'anti-trader' are as retarded as 'trader'. ban them both.

- THIS IS INTERNET PEOPLE!!

kthnxby.

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sounds reasonable to me.:lol:

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

- FST staffs don't leak IPs, they did once for superidiots but they don't anymore. At least they say so.

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Never said they do. I know a few ex-mods on other trackers and there are a few people on FST that ask for IP's and such in exchange for other things. But these people have never been admins at fst.

anti-traders to be banned on trackers? :lol: i dont think so lol

by the way lets made this nice trade you offer me something and i offer you global ban thats fair ^^

and about securety well you traders are one who ruin trackers and so if you ask me anti-traders FTW

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Originally Posted by Submission

If you have a problem with trading then dont trade and avoid the trade section.

Many people wonder how they get banned out of nowhere, and in the past there have been accusations towards the admins of them releasing our IP's to trackers.

A lot of these rats are not admins but anti-traders who know admins of other trackers and help them finding others. I've seen it happen before plenty of times.

Not only do these guys not give a shit about fairness or whatever but they have active networks with tracker admins and should not be considered a part of the community here. Many of them try to keep track of people and find their IP's through other trackers other than the one you trade in, so that once you trade their tracker they can find you.

As such I believe they should be banned only from the trade section. They are a security and privacy threat to people in these forums.

The core of this anti-trader group are trackers admins and friends.

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but when you are trading, aren't you a security and a privacy threat to those trackers? why shouldn't users who worry about their privacy (as being members of such trackers) not care about such trades?

I would really like to see a interesting response to this.

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They are a security and privacy threat to people in these forums.

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I always had the feeling that it was other way round,,,it's the traders that put everyone security at risk.
Think you got that wrong,,maybe it was a misprint on your part :-P

If you ban all the anti-traders who will you cry to when your accounts are disabled?

Good luck enforcing that too. I have some magic beans I will sell you.

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Originally Posted by Shafter

If you ban all the anti-traders who will you cry to when your accounts are disabled?

Good luck enforcing that too. I have some magic beans I will sell you.

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hey sexy Magician :shifty:

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

but when you are trading, aren't you a security and a privacy threat to those trackers? why shouldn't users who worry about their privacy (as being members of such trackers) not care about such trades?

I would really like to see a interesting response to this.

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furthermore I would like to hear why no one talks about public giveaways and the threats to trackers and users they make.

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Originally Posted by Serb

hey sexy Magician :shifty:

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I'm only wearing my magic hat. :naughty:

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Originally Posted by Shafter

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Originally Posted by Serb

hey sexy Magician :shifty:

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I'm only wearing my magic hat. :naughty:

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can I be the bunny in your hat? :batman:

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Originally Posted by Submission

As such I believe they should be banned only from the trade section. They are a security and privacy threat to people in these forums.

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That's a joke, right. Someone saying that people who are against trading invitations to private trackers should be banned because they risk the security and privacy of the people trading those invites.

if you trade, you deserve to get fucked and reported to trackers.

neither anti traders or traders should be banned. its not like i have anything to trade because im new to the website, but if i do acquire valuable trackers i wouldnt trade them. traders put their own accounts at risk though, so if they want to take that risk let them. they shouldnt be banned for taking risks

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Originally Posted by puckface

furthermore I would like to hear why no one talks about public giveaways and the threats to trackers and users they make.

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that has been said and talked about bunch of times but incase you missed...

the general view is that account/invite selling is the most risky, then account trading (account giveaway is considered account trading btw) next is invite trading, and then only invite giveaway.

that is why all sites actually hunt down invite sellers. I remember they had a message along the line "if you bought an invite please report to staff...you will be unharmed but if we find you then you'll be banned" at sites like FTN or even demonoid. Likewise, some sites don't care much about invite giveaway but when there is an account giveaway staffers are on mission!

if [account/invite] selling and trading were to be completely eradicated (one would wish) then the chances are invite giveaway would likey be the top taboo in filesharing, for comperatively more sites at least.

But heak, as long as people are selling and trading tracker as commodities, staffers aren't gonna waste time on some invite giveaway...they've better things to do.

edit: And of course you have sites like demonoid where most join b/c some random guy over a random forum pasted a random invite code and you did a random search with a random engine and randomly found the random place...that's how i got into demonoid lulz...and as a notion of sharing i (and some other random filesharers) randomly paste random invite codes over random forum so that when some random guy does a random search with a random engine and randomly finds the random board he might randomly be hooked with random invite code that i randomly created :P

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

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Originally Posted by puckface

furthermore I would like to hear why no one talks about public giveaways and the threats to trackers and users they make.

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that has been said and talked about bunch of times but incase you missed...

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obviously I missed, and being here for quite a while Im kind of surprised I did, since I have asked this question a few times and you have been the first to even acknowledge the question and give a general rebuttal.

but, in my book... its the same exact thing... except for the 'traders are scum' mentality that makes people target them.

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Originally Posted by puckface

if [account/invite] selling and trading were to be completely eradicated (one would wish) then the chances are invite giveaway would likey be the top taboo in filesharing, for cooperatively more sites at least.

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exactly, traders and invites keep each other in check. since its impossible to get rid of traders, just dont associate with them if you dont like them.

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Originally Posted by puckface

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

but when you are trading, aren't you a security and a privacy threat to those trackers? why shouldn't users who worry about their privacy (as being members of such trackers) not care about such trades?

I would really like to see a interesting response to this.

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furthermore I would like to hear why no one talks about public giveaways and the threats to trackers and users they make.

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i also agree that nothing good comes from those giveaways, and FST is such an example. more often than not you see people complaining they invite cheaters etc etc.
i just think that right now, that's not the priority. the priority is account trading. when/if that stops being an issue, then we all are pretty sure there will be a crackdown on those giveaways.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

i just think that right now, that's not the priority. the priority is account trading. when/if that stops being an issue, then we all are pretty sure there will be a crackdown on those giveaways.

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which begs the question, why are trades the priority? there are more giveaways by volume than trades.

just throwing that out there

Nvm

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Originally Posted by puckface

which begs the question, why are trades the priority? there are more giveaways by volume than trades.

just throwing that out there

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you answered it yourself - giveaways are higher in volume than trades.

if a big trackers were to ban giveaways (although some do) it would be pain in @$$ for staffers. They would have to do more than twice the work i.e. check for trades and check for giveaways. Now just by allowing giveaways (which most big sites do) they are cutting off more than 1/2 of time that would otherwise be occupied by chasing giveaway'ers...now instead of chasing they can put that time for the betterment of the site.

Furthermore, there are other severe issues with trading i.e security, identify etc etc which aren't as bad when it comes to invite giveaway but i'm pretty sure you already know of those.

and there is one another...

when someone trades, it usually involves 2 sites i.e. you would be pissing off staffers and dedicated members from two sites. Chances of getting caught is pretty high..and when one of them catches you, they almost always report it to the other one.

as for giveaway, only 1 site is being involved. And sites almost never report user to one another for giveaways.

haha, that made no sense.. but thanks

Addressing the thread topic: Users should be banned because of their actions (rules, etc). Not their silly little titles they give themselves.

Logic sure is lacking around here.

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Originally Posted by puckface

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

that has been said and talked about bunch of times but incase you missed...

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obviously I missed, and being here for quite a while Im kind of surprised I did, since I have asked this question a few times and you have been the first to even acknowledge the question and give a general rebuttal.

but, in my book... its the same exact thing... except for the 'traders are scum' mentality that makes people target them.

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I have actually replied to you before about this very topic, i.e. that giveaways are also as bad in that they are random, there are however several differences between a public giveaway and a trade.

With a trade the account can be passed on several times. As a trader accounts you started out with that were lower level ones that you are no longer interested in have now passed through how many hands ? but this is OK because it is only a low level tracker, its the high level ones that are important after all.

Because of the stockmarket mentality of traders there are the inevitable scammers who want that account and don't want to give anything for it, or simply want to rip someone because they are a n00b and therefore deserve to be ripped off.

There are of course invite sellers as well, simply because the higher level trackers are perceived to be more valuable. Therefore there are those who will do anything to have what is perceived as rare.

Now this whole nutty little virtual reality when you look at it is kind of pathetic, they are websites after all, and it is only those who are collectors who need to have a great long list of bt sites in their bookmarks.

Whether by trading or public giveaways it is the collecting of accounts like pokemon cards which is sad and pointless, since so many do not want to be a part of the trackers community but simply have another place to leech/seed from, and since the content is roughly the same on each tracker having a great long list to go ooooh at and show your friends either by bragging or userbars/favicons is truly puerile.

Now as for banning those against trading from the trade section, the original topic of this thread, so we should separate this forum down the middle (well actually 2/3 , 1/3 going by the current poll) and have a kind of apartheid with traders having their section and non traders having a giveaway section hmmmm, so would traders be banned from the giveaway section ? I mean if you look at the trade section on here it is such a thriving place with the same threads being bumped every twelve hours and very little discussion, it is sought of like watching paint dry anyway.

@Submission and others who want a private place to trade, there already is in place an invite only section of this forum for traders the VTG or veteran traders group, if this is so important to you I'm sure if you are active you may be invited. Then of course you have to be trusted which I find an absurd concept, but the VTG isn't exactly a secret. Though like the general trading section it has very little posts, so maybe you could liven things up ?

Banned? But why? Why not share in a file-sharing community? Which is what bittorent is...

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Originally Posted by puckface

haha, that made no sense.. but thanks

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thats because squirr3l is fucking nuts!!!

on topic though... remove the trade section and none of this shit matters any more. easy.

where is in the poll "i dont care" as usually?

So you trade and after that you come and request tracker in the giveaway section ... amiright ?

lol

just cant stop laughing :D

haha
Yes, anti-traders should be banned they have nothing to lose

muahhaha
No, they should be able to track all trades and report to their admin friends

lol sounds like its not a serious poll :D
but i like it xD

kick all those anti traders ... uff damned ^^ ill die :D

Why should anti-traders be banned from the trade section if traders are allowed in the giveaway section?

Okay, Ill make a deal with you, You get every anti trade person here banned, and in return you and your trader friends get banned from all your trakers for trading?
That sound fair? didn't think so.
Half of the anti trade guys are traders with dupe accounts on proxies, so all your banning is traders from their own section anyway. Why should people be allowed break the rules of trackers here and get away with it, and others break the rules here and hundreds moan and moan aout it because they lost their accounts that they were stupid enough to trade.

traders are always gonna be hunted , they open trackers up basically and deserve to be banned

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View Poll Results: Should anti-traders be banned from trading?
Yes, anti-traders should be banned they have nothing to lose 32 48.48%
No, they should be able to track all trades and report to their admin friends 34 51.52%

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anti-traders should be banned from trading? Anti-traders doesn't trade as far as I know :lol:

hahaha no just support illegal activities :D

(opposite trackers) just support the traders... as you all already do with the WTO section :naughty:


and remember to kill ^^
---> """they should be able to track all trades and report to their admin friends""" (that kills illegality)

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:w00t: genious

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Originally Posted by sportyloves

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They are a security and privacy threat to people in these forums.

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I always had the feeling that it was other way round,,,it's the traders that put everyone security at risk.
Think you got that wrong,,maybe it was a misprint on your part :-P

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Just what I was about to say, lol.

About public GAs, I' doing mine here. So far I've only had 1 user banned at IPT for ratio cheating. Some were disabled for inactivity. Most of them are active. When I get warnings for inviting bad people, then I'll probably stop public GAs (tbh I do way more private ones) as I'd have probably had my invite privileges taken away from me. In the mean time I'm getting what I feel are deserving users into trackers.

No, they should be able to track all trades and report to their admin friends

great chance to see who is a trader or supports trading.

the poll question wether anti-traders should be banned from trading is priceless indeed.

if you're so afraid of admin friends (who run the trackers you trade for by the way) you should apply for the veteran trading group like artemis suggested. be careful though i heard it's full of japanese anime lovers.

i never said anything "PRO" for trading and never said anything against it!

And also im no trader...

But if you read my post above carefully you will see what i try to say...
(or not) :ermm:

stop torrentsite ranking and your trading problems would be solved soon... ;)
there are many better places out there 4 trading... but ive never seen such a good ranking 4 sites


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so what ill try to say: be illegall in many ways or no way! but dont try to sepereate "a little illegal" from "strong illegality" that is what our DEMOCRACY does 4 us ... and look at them ^^ jail 4 fucking a child / jail 4 downloading xD

I'm anti-wanker .It's a small but growing movement.

Apparently not growing fast enough though.

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Originally Posted by ben99

if you trade, you deserve to get fucked and reported to trackers.

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qft