upgrading from Athlon 2500+ to what? It's an ASUS mobo (adamp2p)

Hey everyone,

It's been a while since I posted in the forum. Thanks for having me back. The mechanic I build a computer for from this thread:
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-har...our-help-67124

is looking to upgrade his CPU, and I'm trying to help him find the highest clock speed he can have. He has an ASUS mobo and is running a Athlon XP 2500+ Barton.

I sent him two links on Ebay to check out, here they are:


http://cgi.ebay.ca/AMD-Athlon-XP-M-B...3A1|240%3A1318

and this one:


http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-ATHLON-XP-27...3%3A1|294%3A50

One comes with a warranty and one doesn't. Which one do you think he should choose?

Thanks everyone in advance,

Adam

Is VirtualBody1234 still around? What about lynx or bigdogg fox? I'm forgetting a whole bunch of really cool and helpful people!

3800+ lol , thats last generation

Buy the 7750+ Black Edition
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103300

Are you sure it will be compatible with an ASUS non 64 bit mobo?

THANKS manu1991!

Depends , exactly which mobo ?

Check if the mobo compatibility page says Am2+

in fact it would be best if you upgrade the motherboard too . For 110$ , you can get a decent 7750X2 + a 740G based mobo like Foxconn A74MX-K AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G

Manu1991...pay attention, fer crissakes.
Adam's buddy has a socketA motherboard and DDR memory.

@adamp2p:
Unless you're willing to upgrade the entire platform- meaning: CPU, motherboard, memory and vid card- your mechanic is better off just holding on to what he has till it dies.

clocker, you're still around! So you don't even think he should get this one?

http://cgi.ebay.ca/AMD-Athlon-XP-M-B...3A1|240%3A1318

What if he is willing to upgrade CPU, mobo, memory and vid card? What would you suggest? I think his power supply, fans, and case are fine. I would make suggestions, but I've been out of this arena for a while.

Thanks again.

Yes...I never left.
Sad, really.

What does he need the machine to do?

LOL. I think he wants to play games with his machine primarily.

I'm still here too. It's ROSSCO_2003/ROSSCO_2004/ROSSCO_2005/rossco/tesco. Dunno if you remember me but I remember you from when I first started coming here.
Welcome back.

Nothing to say related to the thread though, just wanted to say hi. :idunno:

The socket A platform is dead - and has been for some time.
Any investment in such would be misguided at best, and downright foolish at worst.


I would recommend the ASRock AOD790GX mobo. It's a very modern board with a lot of upgrade potential if your friend decides to take things to the next level in the future. It has the highest level integrated graphics, ATI Radeon HD 3300, available today - and is capable of a playable frame rate in most modern games. Although a graphics card is always best, I am assuming that your friend's budget is very tight and keeping future upgrades in mind without wasting money on parts that'll be thrown out quickly - this is a very good route.

To go along with it I would suggest the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200. Not the best, but once again I am assuming that price is everything at the moment. It's a reasonable processor that will be more than a noticeable improvement over anything in the socket A platform. Plus, if your friend later decides to invest in a graphics card, it should be able to handle most without a noticeable bottleneck.

Throw in a gig of cheap DDR2 RAM and parts out of the old system and you got a reasonable system with a ton of future potential for about $180.

I definitely agree with Broken, doing a (near) total rebuild of the system will be much better than massively overspending for a marginal upgrade.

If your friend doesn't have $200 right now, then he should wait and save up. Any lesser upgrade will be a waste of money.

Sorry didnt read that thread you'd link to

Socket A type mobo's/proccy's are obviously EOL . No use holding to them

Get a 790GX based mobo as suggested above , it has great onboard GFX for running games at decent fps

As for processor , 7750 Black Edition is you best bet , check the performance here:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/cpu-me...ack-Edition/p3

And if you buying everything new , why not see Intel too .

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The socket A platform is dead - and has been for some time.
Any investment in such would be misguided at best, and downright foolish at worst.


I would recommend the ASRock AOD790GX mobo. It's a very modern board with a lot of upgrade potential if your friend decides to take things to the next level in the future. It has the highest level integrated graphics, ATI Radeon HD 3300, available today - and is capable of a playable frame rate in most modern games. Although a graphics card is always best, I am assuming that your friend's budget is very tight and keeping future upgrades in mind without wasting money on parts that'll be thrown out quickly - this is a very good route.

To go along with it I would suggest the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200. Not the best, but once again I am assuming that price is everything at the moment. It's a reasonable processor that will be more than a noticeable improvement over anything in the socket A platform. Plus, if your friend later decides to invest in a graphics card, it should be able to handle most without a noticeable bottleneck.

Throw in a gig of cheap DDR2 RAM and parts out of the old system and you got a reasonable system with a ton of future potential for about $180.

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Thanks for the recommendations, Broken. Will pass along them. You have been a great help!

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I'm still here too. It's ROSSCO_2003/ROSSCO_2004/ROSSCO_2005/rossco/tesco. Dunno if you remember me but I remember you from when I first started coming here.
Welcome back.

Nothing to say related to the thread though, just wanted to say hi. :idunno:

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Of course I remember you! How have you been?

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Originally Posted by Broken

The socket A platform is dead - and has been for some time.
Any investment in such would be misguided at best, and downright foolish at worst.


I would recommend the ASRock AOD790GX mobo. It's a very modern board with a lot of upgrade potential if your friend decides to take things to the next level in the future. It has the highest level integrated graphics, ATI Radeon HD 3300, available today - and is capable of a playable frame rate in most modern games. Although a graphics card is always best, I am assuming that your friend's budget is very tight and keeping future upgrades in mind without wasting money on parts that'll be thrown out quickly - this is a very good route.

To go along with it I would suggest the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200. Not the best, but once again I am assuming that price is everything at the moment. It's a reasonable processor that will be more than a noticeable improvement over anything in the socket A platform. Plus, if your friend later decides to invest in a graphics card, it should be able to handle most without a noticeable bottleneck.

Throw in a gig of cheap DDR2 RAM and parts out of the old system and you got a reasonable system with a ton of future potential for about $180.

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Oh yeah, forgot -- what type of graphics card would you suggest?

THANKS AGAIN!

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Oh yeah, forgot -- what type of graphics card would you suggest?

THANKS AGAIN!

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None.

The idea behind suggesting this particular motherboard is that the onboard graphics is strong enough to do a reasonable amount of gaming, without the expense of a dedicated graphics card. While allowing the possibility of adding a good card in the future if needed.

It's the absolutely most frugal upgrade possible to get something up and running. To add a decent graphics card would close to double the price of the upgrade.

It's a way of deferring upfront expense without waste.

I have several socket A's running right now, I use them for video converting and gaming for those games a few years old. I can also play some of the newer stuff on very low settings. The two I'm running have an AthlonXP3000+ (Asus A7N8X-E) and an AthlonXP3200+ (MSI K7N2 DELTA ILSR) in them. It really depends on the motherboard model as to how high a processor its able to take. You would have to identify the model number as well as the board revision and bios update to be absolutely sure and visit the manufacturers site for the info you need. Then get the highest power AGP nVidia card you can find (avoid ATI, their cards look cheap and powerful but their AGP compatibility is really sucky) and boost your memory to the mobos recommended max (most boards of that day didn't go any higher than 4 gig in 4 slots as 1gig memory sticks back then cost 1000 dollars (I exaggerate alot). Some people hate to trash something just cause its old, your buddies machine has alot of years left of good use, don't listen to the people who just throw their stuff away, they can probably afford it, he probably can't. You can not just buy a new motherboard without also getting a video card, memory, power supply, and CPU and its gonna cost him a minum of $400 and at least $700 for a good machine, I Guarantee.

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I have several socket A's running right now, I use them for video converting and gaming for those games a few years old. I can also play some of the newer stuff on very low settings. The two I'm running have an AthlonXP3000+ (Asus A7N8X-E) and an AthlonXP3200+ (MSI K7N2 DELTA ILSR) in them. It really depends on the motherboard model as to how high a processor its able to take. You would have to identify the model number as well as the board revision and bios update to be absolutely sure and visit the manufacturers site for the info you need. Then get the highest power AGP nVidia card you can find (avoid ATI, their cards look cheap and powerful but their AGP compatibility is really sucky) and boost your memory to the mobos recommended max (most boards of that day didn't go any higher than 4 gig in 4 slots as 1gig memory sticks back then cost 1000 dollars (I exaggerate alot). Some people hate to trash something just cause its old, your buddies machine has alot of years left of good use, don't listen to the people who just throw their stuff away, they can probably afford it, he probably can't. You can not just buy a new motherboard without also getting a video card, memory, power supply, and CPU and its gonna cost him a minum of $400 and at least $700 for a good machine, I Guarantee.

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You are insane. :lol:

You can't possibly recommend buying ancient parts for a dead platform.

The antiques you are talking about cost more than a new part that is inexpressive more powerful. The lowest level current generation processor would sell for a fraction of the price, and run anything in the socket A platform into the ground.

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Originally Posted by Broken

You are insane. :lol:

You can't possibly recommend buying ancient parts for a dead platform.

The antiques you are talking about cost more than a new part that is inexpressive more powerful. The lowest level current generation processor would sell for a fraction of the price, and run anything in the socket A platform into the ground.

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+1 what Broken said.

Sorry to hijack your thread. But I am also planning to upgrade my cpu.
Recently bought a 8800 graphics card. Now I am looking to upgrade the cpu.

I have a assus m2n-mx mobo. AM2 socket. Currently using amd64 3200+. What can I get next, or rather what would my mobo support?

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Sorry to hijack your thread. But I am also planning to upgrade my cpu.
Recently bought a 8800 graphics card. Now I am looking to upgrade the cpu.

I have a assus m2n-mx mobo. AM2 socket. Currently using amd64 3200+. What can I get next, or rather what would my mobo support?

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It'll support up to a Phenom X4 9850. But you will probably have to update the BIOS.
I am using a only slightly faster 9950, and I must say it rocks. Would be a noticeable difference in power and performance over the one you currently have. It's listed on newegg right now for $139.

If you are wanting to reuse this Mobo and get a phenom for it, better do it soon.
I suspect that AMD will quickly be replacing it with the Phenom II.

CPU support list

Thanks for that link Broken. I had forgotten to check the manufaturer website. I prolly go for the newest x2.

Rich kids!

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Rich kids!

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Not rich, and not a kid.
It's just my thing.

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Rich kids!

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There's a difference between keeping an old system around to still make use of it and actually putting more money into it for negligible benefit.

Cost-benefit analysis <-- learn it

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Rich kids!

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There's a difference between keeping an old system around to still make use of it and actually putting more money into it for negligible benefit.

Cost-benefit analysis <-- learn it

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Well put.
The socket A platform is at least ten years old.

The highest level processor for it was released five years ago (barton 3200+), and no processors for the platform are in current production. It has been a technological dead end for half a decade.

Today's semprons and celerons (junk chips in my opinion) are indescribably more powerful than even the best chip on that ancient platform at a fraction of the cost - you have to pay a very high premium for antiques like that, lol.


It's about being wise enough with money - not to buy, or recommend buying... well, garbage.