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i have recently received invites to both PTN, and GFT, and i have to say, ratio-less is simply an outstanding concept.
- people can leech what they please, regardless of how popular it is.
- a good bonus system will give members a reason to seed the torrent for just as long as they would on a normal tracker.
so my question to you guys is, will there be a day when all trackers are ratioless? to me it seems like ratio-free is just so much better. opinions?
no it will not become most popular in my eyes because there is no sense in keeping your torrent active after 48 hours. So most people who do not have seedbox etc. will just remove the torrent from utorrent if they have uploaded for 48 hours :)
so it's bad for amount of seeders.
with a minimum seed time of, let's say, 7 days, yes, would be the next step in tracker world!!!
definitely not.
it works for trackers like GFT, iTS or FTN cause they are small "communities" with more "conscious" users than the majority of trackers (even the collectors are more careful cause the tracker is "rare").
put a ratioless system in any other tracker, it will (probably) fail concerning seeding time. many users would cap their upload speed for xx hours and only seed back on new torrents to buffer their account (to reach userclasses you know).
actually, the ratio system is probably the only reason why people keep their torrent seeding for a while.
Download any torrent you want and always limit your upload speed to 1kb, after 48 hours remove it :)
1 kb for 100 active torrents, after 48 hours remove and enjoy the life.
No Ratio = No Speed !
Well as bandwidth becomes cheaper technology gets better as well, which means larger file sizes. You can see this in the 1080p blurays which go between 25-50 gb. So yeah I don't think no-ratio will ever become the norm.
the thing is with ratio free u often need a nice fast box on each torrent so ppl can get decent speeds, else u just get loads of things with 1 slow seeder.
No ratio is already becoming overused. Ratios are much better. Tbh the best system is one which incoporates seeding time as well as the ratio which tells you how well you are sharing.
no way.
a while ago the only tracker that had no ratio was FTN...maybe there were few more but FTN was the significant one from what i remember.
then another site iTS (?) implemented no ratio...and them bam bam bam no ratio trackers growing like mushroom.
all no ratio trackers that exist today still run on ratio free concept ftn created over a year ago! they still have those "have to seed to 1:1 ratio or minimum of xx hours" rule. none, have actually experimented with it. most of them have sticked with 72 or 48 or w/e hours seed time from day one....WHY? just for the heak of it.
most of these trackers probably have not asked themselves "does ratio-free really work?"...they likely just did ratio free coz it's 'kwel' to do so. i mean, if they actually knew if it works or not...if they actually had experimented with it, their seeder/leecher column in browse.php would not be empty.
just watch and see...90% of new ratio-free trakcer have or will phail. :01:
P.S. i'm not against ratio-free concept. I love it. But i certaily don't like when trackers implement stuff, especially those that someone else already did, just for the heak of it.
What he said. Although i tihnk PTN kinda experimented by just having total traffic, although that still has the basis of seeding for a certain time or back to 1:1Quote:
Originally Posted by squirr3l
lol dude, its was like the second no-ratio tracker and it already failed. the only successful no-ratio site is FTN. All the others are like 2k members who are inactive. Pfft.
FTN isn't the first ratio free tracker just fyi.:dabsrod:
Perhaps not, but it's the only one that succeeded to date.
PTN has great torrent activity, it exceeds ftn on some levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
I know a tracker that has been ratio free for years. (it was even ratio free when it started I think?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
And it is a successful one, so FTN isn't the only one. :smilie4:
On what levels exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by NippleCakePTN has great torrent activity, it exceeds ftn on some levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
Which one would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone.W.MachineI know a tracker that has been ratio free for years. (it was even ratio free when it started I think?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
And it is a successful one, so FTN isn't the only one. :smilie4:
Not sure if you are there....but check the amount of seeders/leechers on the torrents. Then check ftn.Quote:
Originally Posted by QlixOn what levels exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by NippleCake
I'm there, I was one of the first people to staff that site. And most things does not get snatched over at PTN. Speeds also suffer since everyone can upload.Quote:
Originally Posted by NippleCakeNot sure if you are there....but check the amount of seeders/leechers on the torrents. Then check ftn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
Demonoid (?)Quote:
Originally Posted by QlixWhich one would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone.W.MachineI know a tracker that has been ratio free for years. (it was even ratio free when it started I think?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
And it is a successful one, so FTN isn't the only one. :smilie4:
that's not really a "ratio free tracker" but the ratio doesn't really counts on this tracker.
Why not counts? I have ratio there. Everything is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephiliaDemonoid (?)Quote:
Originally Posted by QlixWhich one would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone.W.Machine
that's not really a "ratio free tracker" but the ratio doesn't really counts on this tracker.
Most things... ..right, the first 8 torrents on the brosw page have at least one snatch. Packs get snatches in double figures, loads of torrents get plenty of snatches. Just because you were staff there at the very start doesnt make a difference to me, in fact you didnt last very long, (i wont ask why? :dabs:) so i tihnk things may be quite different now :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by QlixI'm there, I was one of the first people to staff that site. And most things does not get snatched over at PTN. Speeds also suffer since everyone can upload.Quote:
Originally Posted by NippleCake
Demonoid isn't even a good site.
Because half the Staff were traders, I resigned. And the retention isn't very good there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by NippleCakeMost things... ..right, the first 8 torrents on the brosw page have at least one snatch. Packs get snatches in double figures, loads of torrents get plenty of snatches. Just because you were staff there at the very start doesnt make a difference to me, in fact you didnt last very long, (i wont ask why? :dabs:) so i tihnk things may be quite different now :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
yeah, i take care of my ratio as well but the reality is that you can't get banned from Demonoid because of a low ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by sake
No, it's not Demonoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephiliaDemonoid (?)Quote:
Originally Posted by QlixWhich one would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone.W.Machine
that's not really a "ratio free tracker" but the ratio doesn't really counts on this tracker.
It's a tracker that specializes itself on motorsport. :artist:
Oh ... ok :) I thought something else. So .. everybody is doing whatever he wants. I want to have a good ratio, so ... :) Leechers should be happy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cinephiliayeah, i take care of my ratio as well but the reality is that you can't get banned from Demonoid because of a low ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by sake
same here. unfortunately, many people don't share this way of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by sake
for example, i've uploaded a torrent 1 month ago: 50+ snatchers and i'm the only seeder atm... :ermm:
Duck tape.
Well known :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephiliasame here. unfortunately, many people don't share this way of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by sake
for example, i've uploaded a torrent 1 month ago: 50+ snatchers and i'm the only seeder atm... :ermm:
This is the right way of thinking, so ... i am feeling comfortable :)
:blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
Yes, please use it to shut your mouth before you end up sticking your whole leg into it AGAIN, Eric!... :shutup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
Be quiet, trader. :frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by jasperrYes, please use it to shut your mouth before you end up sticking your whole leg into it AGAIN, Eric!... :shutup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
His title is a lie? :shutup:Quote:
Originally Posted by QlixBe quiet, trader. :frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by jasperr
I see torrents as something of the past now. Usenet is my main source for everything. No ratio, no speed to worry. For $10-11 a month is more than worth it. Besides rapidshare and other file sharing paid services, Usenet will have the longest retention as well. I don't think ratio free will be the solution for torrents through. I do agree that there are so many torrents that get overseeded and many that don't get seeded. I think the best system BCG has it. Try grabbing just anout anything and you will get great speeds and also you can find very old stuff there.
No way.... SCT/TL examples of Ratio System ,tons of leechers and successful ones
lol.... that's how easy it is here to start shit...people will believe damm near anything won't they....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bone.W.MachineHis title is a lie? :shutup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Qlix
Don't listen to eric .. A.K.A Qlix.... he's just a crying bitch because he cant get back on a certain site... now that i think about it.. not any site for that matter lol..
that's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by saulin
trackers like Karagarga have a better retention than Usenet.
many reseed requests for 2-3 years old torrents are filled every weeks.
Reseeding is not the same as retention. You can request a repost on usenet and I've seen them fulfilled within days for games up to ten years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephiliathat's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by saulin
trackers like Karagarga have a better retention than Usenet.
many reseed requests for 2-3 years old torrents are filled every weeks.
As far as 'no-ratio' sites go, SITR and FSC have been operating 1:1 / xxHRS / seedbonus policies for years and though SITR looks to be becoming a ghost-tracker, FSC still thrives.
Just imagine some music tracker with no ratio system... No one would care to seed older music...
I'll have to join the people saying ratio-less is not the future.
As mentioned, it works with small, community oriented trackers, where people want to genuenly help the tracker by seeding stuff for months. At big trackers, people would stop seeding as soon as they reached the minimum seed time.
Ratio-less trackers should be dedicated to some content like movies or games for example..If u make a general 0day tracker ratio-less there will be a lot of poor-seeded torrents which will lead to nothing..So ratio-less for "secret trackers" and ratio based trackers for general 0day content..
I believe in no ratio tracker. I know, I'm a dreamer... In the end is almost the same sh*t. No ratio doesn't mean no rules. There are scripts that can detect cap speeds and other stuff. The problem is that people always goes in their best interest and not in the interest of the community. And unfortunately their are the biggest part of bt world users.